神父马克西姆:认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导

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  • 按:这是神父马克西姆(Fr. Maximos Constas)在阿拉斯加举办的八讲系列,题为「认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导」。视频由 The Golden Thread 于2023年4月3日上传。本文为中英双语对照文本,由阿甲整理『若整理和翻译有任何问题,欢迎指正』。

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Patristic Nectar Publications presents The Life and Teaching of St. Maximus the Confessor by Fr. Maximus Simonopetridis. St. Maximus the Confessor, who served God from 580 to 662, is one of the great theologians of the Orthodox Catholic Church. This devout monk was a leading Constantinopolitan intellectual, a prolific author on doctrinal, ascetical, exegetical, and liturgical subjects, and a confessor of Holy Orthodoxy, who lost his right hand and tongue for his stentorian opposition to heresy. In eight lectures, Fr. Maximus Simonopetridis, a highly esteemed patrologist and the world’s leading authority on the teaching of St. Maximus the Confessor, presents an edifying overview of the life and works of this magnificent man of God and teacher of the church. The lectures are entitled, Lecture 1. What is a Church Father? Lecture 2. An Overview of the Life of St. Maximus. Lecture 3. An Introduction to the Works of St. Maximus, Part 1. Lecture 4. An Introduction to the Works of St. Maximus, Part 2. Lecture 5. The Theology of St. Maximus, Part 1. The Ambigua. Lecture 6. The Theology of St. Maximus, Part 2. The Ambigua. Lecture 7. The Theology of St. Maximus, Questions of Thalassios, Part 1. Lecture 8. The Theology of St. Maximus, Part 2. The Ambigua. Questions of Thalassios, Part 2. For this and other available titles, please visit our website at www.patristicnectar.org. And now, Fr. Maximus Simonopetridis. Lecture 1. What is a Church Father? Good evening, everyone. Am I audible? Can you hear me? Yeah? I’m not too up-to-date with modern technology. I have a little joke that I tell at the start of these things, when we’re usually fiddling around with microphones and so forth. And I say that I’m so low-tech that I just figured out that my AM radio works in the afternoon. It’s customary to thank people for coming from far away to attend these things, but I guess I’ve come further than perhaps anyone else in the room. Just to satisfy my own personal curiosity, how many people are from the state of Alaska? And those who have come from out of state? I know Father. And also, this is a good number, so okay. I was actually very pleased and honored for the invitation here, and I think it did have something to do with a small kindness that I performed for Christopher, and as they say, no good deed will go unpunished. So the next thing I knew, I found myself on what was an 18-hour journey altogether, and here I am. But it’s great to be here. Like many people who live in the rest of the United States, I always thought about coming to Alaska, wanted to come to Alaska, but never actually had cause enough to do so, so here I am. And it seems to me that Alaska, I’ve only been here for a couple of days, but I can say with some confidence that it’s not the scenery that makes Alaska great, it’s not Mount McKinley that makes Alaska great, it’s not the five or whatever it is different species of fresh salmon that make Alaska great. So far in my limited experience here, I would say that the greatest thing that Alaska has is silence. I live in a pretty quiet place normally, but there’s noise everywhere. But I’ve been impressed by the quality of silence that I find myself in while I’m here, whether it’s in the evening or during the day or out on the walk. I suppose with all of the technology and all the gadgets that they want to hook up to us and all that sort of thing, that finding silence, creating an environment of silence, a physical environment of silence around ourselves in which to be silent and in which to maybe discover a silence within silence is becoming harder and harder for people to find. So you should consider yourselves thrice blessed for living in a part of the world that God has blessed with the kind of quality of silence that I perceive here. It’s really a remarkable thing to be in that silence. It can often be just overwhelming by itself because it’s infrequently that we are separated from noise, separated from just the events that are going on. And as I was just enjoying the silence last night, I thought of, because we can also say too that silence is also an internal state, right? That a person who has acquired a degree of internal silence can be in a noisy environment and not be unsettled by that. But that’s the mark of a fairly advanced degree of inner cultivation, inner sanctity. Most of us need good external conditions to do the work that we want to do, and that applies for the spiritual life too. But I thought of a story from the life of St. Silouan of Mount Athos, a modern saint who I’m sure is known to all of you. And a couple of years ago, a new photograph was discovered of St. Silouan. I think up until then we had only two, and one of the two is the one that you see on lots of the backs of books. There was another one, not quite so nice, people didn’t use that, but there was a third one, and they also found some, I think they were letters or some other kinds of written documents that contained some more details about his life and some anecdotes from his life, and they’re all very interesting, and there’s one in there about silence, and I don’t think it’s been published yet, so I’ll share it with you because it fits into the topic of silence. And though he lived, though Saint Silouan lived in a very large, busy sort of community-style monastery. He was very much a hesychast. He was very much,

教父甘露出版社为您呈现由马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父主讲的《认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导》。认信者圣马克西姆于580年至662年间事奉上帝,是东正教大公教会最伟大的神学家之一。这位虔诚的修士是君士坦丁堡顶尖的知识分子,在教义、克修、释经和礼仪方面著作颇丰,也是圣东正教的认信者,因极力反对异端而失去了右手和舌头。在八场讲座中,备受尊敬的教父学家、认信者圣马克西姆教导领域的世界级权威马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父,对这位伟大的属神之人和教会教师的生平与著作进行了启发性的概述。讲座的题目分别是:第一讲:什么是教父?第二讲:圣马克西姆生平概述。第三讲:圣马克西姆著作导论,第一部分。第四讲:圣马克西姆著作导论,第二部分。第五讲:圣马克西姆的神学,第一部分:《难题集》。第六讲:圣马克西姆的神学,第二部分:《难题集》。第七讲:圣马克西姆的神学:《向撒拉修的提问》,第一部分。第八讲:圣马克西姆的神学,第二部分:《难题集》。《向撒拉修的提问》,第二部分。如需了解本片及其他现有资源,请访问我们的网站 www.patristicnectar.org。现在,有请马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父。第一讲:什么是教父?大家晚上好。能听见我说话吗?听得见吗?嗯?我对现代科技不太在行。在这些活动开始时,当我们通常在摆弄麦克风之类的东西时,我都会讲一个小笑话。我说我是个科技盲,我刚刚才发现我的调幅收音机在下午也能用。通常我们会感谢远道而来参加这些活动的人,但我想我可能比房间里的任何人都来得更远。为了满足我个人的好奇心,有多少人是阿拉斯加州本地的?那些从外州来的呢?我认识那位神父。还有,这个人数不少,挺好的。实际上,我非常高兴和荣幸能受邀来到这里,我想这确实与我为克里斯托弗做的一点小善事有关,正如人们所说,好心没好报。所以接下来我就发现,自己踏上了一段总共18小时的旅程,现在我就在这里了。不过能来到这里真是太好了。和许多生活在美国其他地方的人一样,我总是想着来阿拉斯加,想来阿拉斯加,但一直没有足够的理由这么做,所以现在我来了。在我看来,阿拉斯加——虽然我只在这里待了几天——但我可以相当肯定地说,让阿拉斯加变得伟大的不是风景,不是麦金利山,也不是那五种还是多少种不同的新鲜鲑鱼。就我在这里有限的经验来看,我会说阿拉斯加最棒的东西是安静。我平时住在一个相当安静的地方,但到处都有噪音。但我对在这里所感受到的安静的品质印象深刻,无论是在晚上、白天还是在外面散步时。我想,随着所有的科技和那些他们想连接到我们身上的小玩意儿以及诸如此类的东西,寻找安静、创造一个安静的环境,一个让我们可以在其中保持安静、也许还能在安静中发现内在安静的物理环境,对人们来说正变得越来越难。所以,你们应该认为自己三生有幸,能生活在世界上这个被上帝赐予了我所感受到的这种品质的安静的地方。置身于那种安静之中真是一件了不起的事。它本身往往就能让人震撼,因为我们很少能与噪音隔绝,与正在发生的事件隔绝。昨晚我在享受安静时,我想到了——因为我们也可以说安静也是一种内在状态,对吧?一个获得了一定程度内在安静的人,可以身处嘈杂的环境中而不被扰乱。但那是相当高程度的内在修养、内在圣洁的标志。我们大多数人需要良好的外部条件来做我们想做的工作,属灵生活也是如此。但我想到了一个关于阿索斯山的圣西卢安生平的故事,他是一位现代圣人,我相信你们大家都认识。几年前,发现了一张圣西卢安的新照片。我想在那之前我们只有两张,其中一张就是你们在很多书的封底上看到的那张。还有另一张,不太好看,人们没用那张,但还有第三张,他们还发现了一些,我想是信件或其他一些书面文件,包含了他生平的更多细节和一些轶事,这些都很有趣,其中有一个关于安静的故事,我想它还没有被发表过,所以我会和你们分享,因为它很符合安静这个主题。虽然圣西卢安生活在一个非常大、非常忙碌的共住式修道院里。但他非常像一个静修者。他非常……

He lived a very hesychastic life within a busy community. And one day a visitor came and met him and they said, hey, what are you doing here? You shouldn’t, you’re in this busy monastery and there’s pilgrims coming and going all the time and there’s work and there’s noise and there’s construction and you should be living in a cave somewhere. And of course Mount Athos is one of the few places in the world where telling somebody they should be living in a cave is a compliment, right? So he said, you should be living in a cave or somewhere remote from the activities of the monastery. Oh, he says, I do live in a cave, he said. I do live in a cave. And he said, my body is a cave for my soul, and my soul is a cave for the Holy Spirit. So there is the beauty of the real beauty, which is a divine gift of external silence, physical silence, but then there’s a silence within that silence, which is the life of the Holy Spirit within us. So, just a couple of thoughts about my experience of your beautiful state so far. When I was put into contact with Father Mark, and we were talking about possible ideas or subjects for talks, he said, well, we’d like to have something in the area of the church fathers because we haven’t had as much of that as we would like to have. And at the time I was working on a St. Maximus the Confessor project, so I said, well, would that be acceptable? And he said, fine, so here we go. We have four talks tonight and then three more of two hours duration. So this will be a fairly, I consider this to be a kind of short but intensive seminar. And we are, for better or for worse, we are tackling, it’s rather ambitious, we’re tackling an ecclesiastical writer, a 7th century father of the church, who is without a doubt, and without even a close parallel, by far, the most difficult ecclesiastical writer in the entire patristic canon. You think of difficult writers like maybe Gregory Palamas, or Gregory of Nyssa, or I don’t know who, they don’t even come close to Maximus the Confessor in terms of the complexity of his language, which is extremely sort of, I don’t want to say overwrought, but it’s extremely elaborately wrought. So just on the level of the language itself, he’s an extremely difficult writer. And then once you’ve been able to untangle the complexities of his sentence structures, then you’ve got to figure out, well, what on earth is he saying, right? What are the concepts? The language, words are expressions of concepts, so the words themselves are difficult, and then trying to figure out what the concepts mean is, of course, a much harder thing still. So as the days go by, I’ll have excerpts from various texts in translation, so you’ll get to see for yourself just how difficult some of his writing and some of his thought can be. I would consider it to be a kind of spiritual exercise to work through a text by a Maximus the Confessor, because it requires not just the external silence, but a degree and a quality of attention and concentration that we don’t bring to most of the texts that we read, to newspapers or books or even spiritual books that we read. It’s very demanding and very taxing in terms of what he, the sort of process of thought or sequence of thought that he invites us to walk through with him. We’ll get to more of that later on. So for tonight, I thought I wouldn’t drop you in the middle of a dark ocean and just leave you to swim on your own. I thought tonight we would take things a little bit more simply and ease ourselves into maybe increasing levels of difficulty. And tonight I wanted to do basically three things. I wanted to say something in general about the church fathers. I’ll say more about that in a minute. Then I think it’s important to say something about the life of Saint Maximus, because the ideas emanate from a particular life. They’re not disassociated from this lived individual’s life, so it’ll be good to know something about his life. Then maybe we’ll take a break at that point and come back and say something about the reception of St. Maximus’ thought in the subsequent tradition. And I think this is important because historians, people who are trained as historians, including patristic scholars, including people who study the fathers of the church, have a tendency to collapse historical texts into their historical antecedents. So you’ll read a work by St. Basil, you’ll read St. Basil’s homilies, for example, on the six days of creation. You’re a historian, you’re a historian of theology, you’re a historian of the church fathers, and you sit down to study, as a patrologist, the homilies of St. Basil on creation. And you’re trained to ask questions like, well, you’re trained to make observations like, okay, well these ideas he’s getting from Stoicism. These are Stoic ideas. These ideas he’s borrowed and modified from Origen of Alexandria, who was an earlier ecclesiastical writer. These ideas, and so on. The idea is to sort of show where the text came from. Like a lot of New Testament scholars, you give them the prologue to the Gospel of John. In the beginning was the Logos. They’ll say, oh, that’s ancient philosophy, you see. They’ll give you the history of the Logos doctrine up until the time of the Gospel of John, and then they feel their work is done, right? Because I’m an expert on the Gospel of John, not what happened 500 years or 1,000 years after the Gospel of John was written. So I can get you to, historically, to the idea of the Logos, and that usually means collapsing it into antecedent, prior philosophical or theological or religious ideas, and then my work is done. Of course, this is completely… Well, this is not exactly helpful for the church.

他在一个繁忙的社区里过着非常静修的生活。有一天,一位访客来见他,说:“嘿,你在这里做什么?你不应该待在这里,你在这个繁忙的修院里,朝圣者来来往往,有工作,有噪音,有施工,你应该住在某个洞穴里。”当然,阿索斯山是世界上少数几个告诉别人他们应该住在洞穴里是一种赞美的地方之一,对吧?所以他说,你应该住在洞穴里,或者远离修院活动的地方。“哦,他说,我确实住在洞穴里,”他说。“我确实住在洞穴里。”他说:“我的身体是我灵魂的洞穴,我的灵魂是圣灵的洞穴。”所以,真正的美之美,是外在安静、身体安静的属天恩赐,但在那种安静之中还有一种安静,那就是我们内在的圣灵的生命。所以,关于我目前在这个美丽州的体验,我有一些想法。当我与马克神父取得联系,我们在讨论演讲的可能想法或主题时,他说,嗯,我们希望有一些关于教父领域的内容,因为我们还没有像我们希望的那样多。当时我正在做一个认信者圣马克西姆的项目,所以我说,嗯,这个可以接受吗?他说,很好,所以我们开始了。今晚我们有四场演讲,然后还有三场两小时的演讲。所以这将是一个相当……我认为这是一种简短但密集的研讨会。不管好坏,我们正在处理,这相当有野心,我们正在研究一位教会作家,一位7世纪的教父,毫无疑问,甚至没有相近的平行者,他是整个教父正典中最难的教会作家。你想想那些难懂的作家,比如帕拉马斯,或者尼撒的格列高利,或者我不知道还有谁,在语言的复杂性上,他们甚至都无法与认信者马克西姆相比,他的语言极其……我不想说过于雕琢,但它是极其精心雕琢的。所以仅仅在语言层面上,他就是一个极其难懂的作家。然后,一旦你能够理清他句子结构的复杂性,你就必须弄清楚,他到底在说什么,对吧?这些概念是什么?语言,词语是概念的表达,所以词语本身就很难,然后试图弄清楚这些概念的含义,当然是一件更难的事情。所以随着日子一天天过去,我将提供各种文本的翻译摘录,这样你们就可以亲眼看到他的一些著作和思想有多么困难。我认为研读认信者马克西姆的文本是一种灵修操练,因为它不仅需要外在的安静,还需要一种我们在阅读大多数文本、报纸、书籍甚至我们阅读的属灵书籍时所不具备的专注和集中的程度与质量。就他邀请我们与他一起走过的那种思想过程或思想序列而言,这要求很高,也非常费力。我们稍后会更多地讨论这个。所以今晚,我想我不会把你们扔进黑暗的海洋中间,让你们自己游泳。我想今晚我们会把事情弄得简单一点,让我们自己慢慢适应可能增加的难度。今晚我想基本上做三件事。我想大致谈谈教父。我稍后会多说一些。然后我认为谈谈圣马克西姆的生平很重要,因为这些思想源于一个特定的生命。它们与这个活生生的人的生活并没有脱节,所以了解一些关于他生平的事情会很好。然后也许我们会在那时休息一下,回来谈谈认信者圣马克西姆的思想在后来传统中的接受情况。我认为这很重要,因为历史学家,受过历史学家训练的人,包括教父学学者,包括研究教父的人,倾向于将历史文本归结为它们的历史前身。所以你会读圣巴西尔的一部作品,例如,你会读圣巴西尔关于创世六天的讲道集。你是一个历史学家,你是一个神学历史学家,你是一个教父历史学家,你坐下来,作为一个教父学家,研究圣巴西尔关于创造的讲道集。你受过训练去问这样的问题,嗯,你受过训练去做出这样的观察,好吧,这些思想他是从斯多葛学派那里得到的。这些是斯多葛学派的思想。这些思想是他从亚历山大的奥利金那里借用并修改的,奥利金是一位早期的教会作家。这些思想,等等。这个想法是为了展示文本的来源。就像许多新约学者一样,你给他们看约翰福音的序言。太初有道。他们会说,哦,那是古代哲学,你看。他们会给你讲述道的教义史,直到约翰福音的时代,然后他们觉得他们的工作就完成了,对吧?因为我是约翰福音的专家,而不是约翰福音写成后500年或1000年发生的事情的专家。所以我可以从历史上带你了解道的概念,这通常意味着将其归结为之前的哲学、神学或宗教思想,然后我的工作就完成了。当然,这完全是……嗯,这对教会并没有太大帮助。

Because it is important to know where things came from, but it’s also important, and sometimes even more important, to know what people did with them, how people read them, how the church received that gospel, how that church received the homilies of St. Basil on creation, how the church received and read and studied and reflected and continued to refract and redact what it had received from the tradition. That’s important because if I study scripture or a church father or a liturgical text without referencing the larger tradition, I can end up reading the thing in a direction that might be incorrect. And even if it is correct, why wouldn’t I want to know how 2,000 years of tradition read and received this work that I’m now reading? People who read this thought this was really important and they emphasized this and they connected these things and drew a conclusion. I’d like to know that. That’s what it means to be a church. That’s what it means to be embedded within, to appropriate for yourself the tradition, not to read it in the light of historians’ categories or some other kind of approach. So I will spend a few minutes talking about the reception of Saint Maximus’ thought in the subsequent tradition, because I think that’s just as important as anything he himself had to say, because it’s what the Church decided was useful and interesting and important and so on. Let’s now turn to the first of the three sort of areas, and I’d like to say a few words in general about the church fathers. Now some of you might say, Father Maximus, we know who the church fathers were, we know something about them, and we came here to hear something about Saint Maximus, so why don’t you just get to that? Well, I find my experience is that we often begin, in theological discussions or when we get together in church and ask questions and have dialogues and so forth, we often begin at a point too far down the road. So, for example, people will come and they’ll say, tell me something about the meaning of this passage in Genesis. Tell me something about what St. Paul means here in this particular letter. And after a while it becomes clear, so wait a minute now, before we commit ourselves to the details, we need to have a clear idea of the larger picture. So I’m not sure. We have to talk about what is the orthodox understanding of scripture first. Let’s not just pull out a passage here. What did Jesus mean when he said, or whatever it is, a difficult passage? But let’s put that aside for a moment. And let’s back up and ask more fundamental questions. Let’s make sure that we know what this book is and what it means to the church and with what sort of a mind we should bring to it. People ask questions about, they want to ask a question about salvation outside the church, for example. And then again, do you even know what sin is before you start talking about salvation, for example? That sort of thing. So I think it’s always helpful to go back to the roots of things, to the original forms of things, and to ask basic questions, often very general questions. Because sometimes these things are not always clear to us. We get a lot of detailed information about something, but we don’t know the bigger picture. And the bigger picture is important. So that’s why I think it’ll be helpful and important to say a few words about the church fathers. And I didn’t bring my brother with me all the way from the East Coast to operate the slide projector, but that’s what he’s going to be doing tonight. So can we have the next? This is a modern day painting, an icon of St. Maximus, it’s a wall painting, and we’ll come back to these images later, but we can go one more now. This is a 12th century image from an illuminated manuscript that’s at the Vatican, and it shows a group of church fathers, starting on the right, it’s Dionysius the Areopagite, St. Athanasius, Basil, Nyssa, Gregory the Theologian, who is that, I don’t remember. St. John Chrysostom, Maximus with the cowl. I’m sorry, Cyril of Alexandria is in there. That’s who that is. Chrysostom, St. Maximus the Confessor with the monastic cowl, and behind him, St. John of Damascus. I’ve got those there because we’re going to be talking about church fathers, and here’s a group of formidable patristic figures. So, again, to begin with some questions, what is a church father? We throw this word around. We use this word. We invoke this word. We invoke their authority. What is a church father? What is a church father? And why are the earlier fathers so important? Because there’s a sense in which the great ecclesiastical writers of the late antique period have a kind of value, both individually and collectively, that’s not always the case. Why is that so? Why are they more important? Why study them? Why study the church fathers? What is to be gained, somebody might ask, by reading texts written, in the case of Maximus the Confessor, who was a slightly later writer, text written 1,300 years ago. What possible relevance could a 1,000-year-old plus text written in a foreign language in another time and place, what possible relevance could that have for us sophisticated modern people who have iPhones? How could it possibly be relevant to us? So let’s start with the first question of who or what is a church father. That brings us to the next slide.

因为知道事物的起源很重要,但知道人们如何对待它们、人们如何阅读它们、教会如何接受那福音、教会如何接受圣巴西尔关于创造的讲道集、教会如何接受、阅读、研究、反思并继续折射和修订它从传统中所领受的,这也同样重要,有时甚至更为重要。这很重要,因为如果我在研究圣经、一位教父或一份礼仪文本时不参考更宏大的传统,我最终可能会在一个可能不正确的方向上阅读这些东西。即使它是正确的,为什么我不想知道两千年的传统是如何阅读和接受我现在正在阅读的这部作品的呢?阅读这本书的人认为这非常重要,他们强调了这一点,他们把这些事物联系起来并得出了结论。我想知道这些。这就是作为教会的意义。这就是置身其中、为自己吸收传统的意义,而不是在历史学家的范畴或其他某种方法的光照下去阅读它。因此,我将花几分钟时间谈论圣马克西姆的思想在后世传统中的接受情况,因为我认为这与他本人所说的话同样重要,因为这是教会决定认为有用、有趣和重要的东西等等。

现在让我们转向这三个领域中的第一个,我想总体上谈谈教父。现在你们中有些人可能会说,马克西姆神父,我们知道教父是谁,我们了解他们的一些情况,我们来这里是为了听关于圣马克西姆的事情,所以你为什么不直接讲那个呢?嗯,我发现我的经验是,在神学讨论中,或者当我们在教会聚在一起提问并进行对话等等时,我们往往开始得太深入了。例如,人们会来对我说,告诉我《创世记》中这段经文的意思。告诉我圣保罗在这封特定的书信中这里是什么意思。过了一会儿,情况就变得清楚了,所以等等,在我们致力于细节之前,我们需要对更大的图景有一个清晰的概念。所以我不确定。我们必须先谈谈东正教对圣经的理解。我们不要只是在这里抽出一段经文。耶稣这么说是什么意思,或者不管那是什么,一段难懂的经文?但让我们暂时把它放在一边。让我们退一步,问一些更根本的问题。让我们确保我们知道这本书是什么,它对教会意味着什么,以及我们应该以怎样的心态来对待它。人们会问关于教会之外救赎的问题,例如。然后,在你开始谈论救赎之前,你甚至知道什么是罪吗?诸如此类的事情。所以我认为回到事物的根源,回到事物的原始形态,并提出基本问题,通常是非常笼统的问题,总是有帮助的。因为有时这些事情对我们来说并不总是清楚的。我们得到了很多关于某事的详细信息,但我们不知道更大的图景。而更大的图景是重要的。所以这就是为什么我认为说几句关于教父的话是有帮助和重要的。我并没有把我兄弟从东海岸一路带过来操作幻灯机,但这正是他今晚要做的。那么我们可以看下一张了吗?这是一幅现代的画作,一幅圣马克西姆的圣像,是一幅壁画,我们稍后会回到这些图像,但现在我们可以再看一张。这是一幅来自梵蒂冈泥金装饰手稿的12世纪图像,它展示了一群教父,从右边开始,是狄奥尼修斯、圣亚他那修、巴西尔、尼撒、神学家圣格列高利,那是谁,我不记得了。金口约翰,戴着头巾的马克西姆。抱歉,亚历山大的圣西里尔也在里面。那就是他。金口约翰,戴着修道头巾的认信者圣马克西姆,在他身后是大马士革的约翰。我把他们放在那里是因为我们将要谈论教父,而这里是一群令人敬畏的教父人物。

所以,再次从一些问题开始,什么是教父?我们到处使用这个词。我们使用这个词。我们援引这个词。我们援引他们的权威。什么是教父?什么是教父?为什么早期的教父如此重要?因为在某种意义上,古典时代晚期的伟大教会作家具有一种价值,无论是个人还是集体,这并不总是如此。为什么会这样?为什么他们更重要?为什么要研究他们?为什么要研究教父?有人可能会问,阅读写于1300年前的文本能获得什么,就认信者马克西姆而言,他是一位稍晚的作家。一部用外语写成的、在另一个时间和地点写成的、有一千多年历史的文本,对我们这些拥有iPhone的复杂的现代人来说,有什么可能的关联呢?它怎么可能与我们有关呢?那么让我们从第一个问题开始,即谁是或什么是教父。这把我们带到了下一张幻灯片。

Now, this is a classical list of criteria for church fathers that was actually established by Roman Catholic historians and patrologists, and we’ll use it as a point of departure because it’s convenient and it’ll open up certain areas for us. There’s a lot in it that we would be very happy to accept, but there are other things that we would also question. So you see there are these four criteria, who or what is a, they have a whole sort of Roman Catholic mind, right? Very orderly, very schematic, very categorical. Who or what is a church father? Well, whoever this individual is has to fit these criteria. Antiquity, by which they mean, by the way, they had to have lived and died before St. John of Damascus, which is problematic for us, obviously, right? But antiquity is their orthodoxy of doctrine. Personal sanctity and approval by the church. Let’s just talk about each one of these in turn. St. John of Damascus died circa 750. So if you were to draw the line there and say that anybody, any ecclesiastical writer who lived and who worked after 750 is not a church father, well, think of all of the individuals who would fall off the list. These are the ones that come to mind. Phocius the Great, St. Simeon the New Theologian, Gregory Palamas in the 14th century, and many, many, many others. So obviously, the criteria of antiquity alone and is insufficient for us, is insufficient for us. Because we would say that, well, I mean, it would seem to frustrate or limit the work of the Holy Spirit, who is active, operating in the early writers, but who continues to write in the later ones. So we’re not too happy so far about antiquity. On the other hand, though, Neither should we be in a hurry to call anybody a saint, right? We shouldn’t be in a rush to canonize anybody either. I mean, there are some cases, I mentioned Gregory Palamas, he was canonized within a very short period of time after his death. There were very unusual circumstances, theological controversies. The patriarch at the time happened to be one of St. Gregory’s disciples, so he helped in the canonization process, but that is very unusual. Sometimes 50, 100 centuries sometimes. past before the church in its wisdom moves to canonize someone as saint. And I say this now because there are modern elders, such as the elder Porfirios or the elder Paisios, both of whom have reposed. There are living elders. You see icons painted for them now, even though they have not been canonized by the church. There’s a sort of one-upmanship that people play with their living elders and spiritual fathers. They’ll say so-and-so is a saint or a saintly gifts and so on. And I think we need to be a little circumspect about that sort of thing. Aristotle had a phrase called no one blessed before the end, right? Because until the day you die, right? Until the gates of heaven close behind you, anything can happen, right? So there has to be a certain immaturity, I think, in that kind of… I mean, it comes out of devotion. And if you love your spiritual father, if you love your elder, if you’ve experienced the grace of God through your elder… You’re going to believe that he’s a saintly person, right? But that’s one thing, and broadcasting his sanctity and having icons painted of him is another thing. So there is something about the antiquity that’s important, in the sense that we shouldn’t be in a rush to fit people for halos before the church as a whole has actually gotten to that point. There’s a story about a… A Western journalist who interviewed Mao, Chairman Mao, Mao Zedong in China many years ago, and he asked the chairman what he thought of the French Revolution. And Mao’s answer was, too soon to tell, right? So, sort of the long Chinese view of things. So the church has a much longer view. We’re, I mean, the 24-hour news cycle, I think, is given away to the 15-minute news cycle. So we’re in a rush, we’re impatient, we want to see things happen, we feel frustrated when they don’t, but the church has a different mode of existence, a different manner of life, and we can’t impose our sort of hectic sort of schedule or desires on it. The early fathers too, getting back to antiquity, the early fathers of the fourth century and around there, do have a special importance. We’ll come to that in a moment. The second one, orthodoxy of doctrine. Well, we would say certainly, certainly. You’re not qualified, you’re not cut out to be a church father if your teaching was not orthodox. But again, you have to say that. Not absolutely everything. that every church father says or wrote is dogma. There has to be discretion here. There has to be a kind of discrimination here too. Just because an individual is a saint, just because an individual has written authoritative theological works does not mean that absolutely every single thing that that individual has written is on the same level of doctrinal authority. Which is why we need the tradition. This is one of the things you learn fairly quickly on the Holy Mountain. People have a tendency to read books, to read a saint’s life, and they get inspired by the saint’s life. And they want to emulate the saint’s life. So what do you do? You read the life of Saint Simeon the Stylian. What are you going to do? I mean, saw off the top of a tree and live on top of it because that’s what he did? Or you read the life of Anthony and you’re inspired to do something similar. What do you do? Go throw yourself into the middle of a national park? Like he did in the desert? The answer to that is not necessarily. So we say, and I think this is from the ladder, from the ladder of divine ascent by St. John Climbacus, who says, sort of paraphrasing, that everything in a saint’s life is worthy of, it rhymes with the second word I need, I can’t think of the rhyming word. Everything in a saint’s life is worthy of praise, but not everything in the saint’s life is worthy of imitation, which means it’s not necessarily worthy of imitation by you.

现在,这是一份经典的教父标准清单,实际上是由罗马天主教历史学家和教父学者制定的,我们将以此作为出发点,因为它很方便,并且将为我们开启某些领域。其中有很多我们非常乐意接受的内容,但也有一些我们会提出质疑。所以你看有这四个标准,谁或什么是……他们有一种完全的罗马天主教思维,对吧?非常有条理,非常系统化,非常范畴化。谁或什么是教父?好吧,无论这个人是谁,都必须符合这些标准。古老性,顺便说一下,他们的意思是,这些人必须在大马士革的约翰之前生活和去世,这对我们来说显然是有问题的,对吧?但古老性是他们的教义正统性。个人的圣洁以及教会的认可。让我们依次谈谈这其中的每一个标准。大马士革的约翰大约在750年去世。因此,如果你要在那里划一条线,并说任何在750年之后生活和工作的教会作家都不是教父,那么,想想所有会从名单上掉下来的人吧。这些是浮现在脑海中的名字。伟大的佛提乌、新神学家西蒙、14世纪的帕拉马斯,以及许多许多其他人。所以很明显,单凭古老性这个标准对我们来说是不够的,是不够的。因为我们会说,我的意思是,这似乎会挫败或限制圣灵的工作,圣灵在早期作家中活跃运行,但在后来的作家中继续书写。所以到目前为止,我们对古老性并不太满意。另一方面,我们也不应该急于称任何人为圣人,对吧?我们也不应该急于将任何人封圣。我的意思是,在某些情况下,我提到过帕拉马斯,他在死后很短的时间内就被封圣了。当时的情况非常不寻常,存在神学争议。当时的牧首恰好是圣格列高利的门徒之一,所以他在封圣过程中帮了忙,但这非常罕见。有时50年,有时甚至100年过去,教会才以其智慧采取行动将某人封为圣人。我现在说这个是因为有一些现代的长老,比如波尔菲里奥斯长老或爱西乌斯长老,他们都已经安息了。还有在世的长老。你现在看到为他们画的圣像,尽管他们还没有被教会封圣。人们在与他们活着的长老和属灵父亲之间有一种攀比之风。他们会说某某是圣人或有圣人的恩赐等等。我认为我们需要对这种事情保持一点谨慎。亚里士多德有一句话叫“在结局到来之前,没有人是有福的”,对吧?因为直到你死的那一天,对吧?直到天堂的大门在你身后关闭,任何事情都可能发生,对吧?所以我认为,在那类事情中必须有一种不成熟……我的意思是,这源于虔诚。如果你爱你的属灵父亲,如果你爱你的长老,如果你通过你的长老经历了上帝的恩典……你会相信他是一个圣洁的人,对吧?但那是一回事,而宣扬他的圣洁并为他画圣像又是另一回事。所以关于古老性有一些重要的东西,在这个意义上,我们不应该在整个教会真正达到那一步之前,就急于为人们戴上光环。有一个故事是关于……多年前一位西方记者在中国采访毛泽东主席,他问主席对法国大革命有何看法。毛泽东的回答是,现在下结论还为时过早,对吧?这有点像中国人对事物的长远眼光。所以教会有一个更长远的视角。我的意思是,24小时新闻周期,我认为,已经让位给了15分钟新闻周期。所以我们很匆忙,我们没有耐心,我们希望看到事情发生,当事情没有发生时我们会感到沮丧,但教会有一种不同的存在模式,一种不同的生活方式,我们不能把我们那种忙碌的时间表或愿望强加给它。早期的教父也是一样,回到古老性这个话题,第四世纪及附近的早期教父确实具有特殊的重要性。我们稍后会谈到这一点。第二个标准,教义的正统性。好吧,我们会说当然,当然。如果你的教导不是正统的,你就不具备资格,你就不能成为教父。但同样,你必须说,并非绝对地,每一位教父所说或所写的一切都是教义。这里必须有审慎。这里也必须有一种辨别。仅仅因为一个人是圣人,仅仅因为一个人写过权威的神学著作,并不意味着那个人所写的绝对每一件事都具有同等的教义权威。这就是为什么我们需要传统。这是你在圣山上相当快就能学到的事情之一。人们倾向于读书,读圣人的传记,并受到圣人传记的启发。他们想要效法圣人的生平。所以你会怎么做?你读了石柱西蒙的传记。你要做什么?我的意思是,锯掉一棵树的顶部并住在上面,因为那是他所做的吗?或者你读了圣安东尼的传记,你受到启发想做类似的事情。你会怎么做?把自己扔到国家公园的中间去吗?就像他在沙漠里做的那样?答案是不一定。所以我们说,我认为这出自《天梯》,出自约翰克里马克斯的《天梯》,他大概是这么说的,圣人生命中的一切都值得……它和我需要的第二个词押韵,我想不出那个押韵的词了。圣人生命中的一切都值得赞美,但并非圣人生命中的一切都值得效法,这意味着它不一定值得你去效法。

There might be someone else for whom this or that practice in this or that saint’s life, maybe that’s what they need to do, not necessarily you. What’s the word that rhymes with imitation that I’m looking for? I’m sorry, everything in a saint’s life is worthy of admiration. as it truly is, but not everything in a saint’s life is worthy of imitation, which is why you need discernment, which is why you need a spiritual father, which is why you need to be in a community where, you know, if you start doing things that you read in a saint’s life in the middle of what we’ve celebrated as a fool for Christ on the calendar, if you came into church on Sunday and started throwing walnuts at people like some of these holy fools did, that would not be acceptable behavior in your, right? So worthy of admiration. They did far worse things, but I’ll stick to the polite stuff. I think there’s the life of Saint Simeon of Edessa. He makes his grand entrance into the city of Edessa, I think, by either he had, either on his behind walking in or he had tied strips of meat to himself and the dogs were chasing him or some very outlandish sort of thing. So, yes, orthodoxy of doctrine. But that doesn’t mean that absolutely every single thing that we find in ecclesiastical literature is on the same level, let’s say, as other things. The other, obviously, personal sanctity. It’s not enough to just be intelligent. It’s not enough to simply have read a lot of books or to be erudite or to be good at theology. There’s a moral dimension here. There is the dimension of personal sanctity, which is really non-negotiable. So we have a lot of intelligent people, but we don’t have nearly as many people who are saints as we would like to have. So yes, which is why there’s the formulaic, if you go to a monastery and they have a reading in the refectory, they say, a reading from our holy father, the word holy in Greek is aios, it means saint. Aios Ioannis. St. John, aios, also means holy, like aios, aios, aios, the thrice holy hymn. So in Greek, the word aios gets translated two ways in English, as holy and as saint. So we say a reading from our holy father, or sometimes our sainted father. So when a text by a church father is read in church or in the refectory, the reader announces to the hearers, the audience, that what they are hearing is the work of a, not simply a smart guy, Right? But of a holy man. And that’s key. That’s critical. I don’t want to sit in the… I was appalled the other day. Somebody told me they were somewhere and they were having a meal and they were playing a tape recording of me. A talk that I had given somewhere and I thought, oh my goodness. And that’s just, you know… You could have done better, I think, but anyway. And then finally, of course, approval by the church. We don’t have church fathers that are made church fathers by… groups or organizations that are outside the church or alongside the church or has to be an expression of the life of the church so yes approval by the church but at the same time we don’t the church does not have an official list of of approved church fathers right and again how do you know this it requires discernment and that okay these writers are maybe near perfect or perfect these writers well they have lots of good things in them but you have to watch out for this these writers they do have a few good things but Or these writers have very good works, but these other works don’t read at all. They’re just not of value or of use to you. We don’t have an official list that tells people anything like that. That’s part of the whole spirit of, which doesn’t mean that there isn’t a hierarchy. There is a hierarchy. It doesn’t mean you can take somebody from the bottom and move them to the top. But the church goes about sort of what? Initiating people into the mystery of theology. and into the mystery of the life of the church in a very different way. But it’s not by giving people lists. So those are the basic categories, and I think they’re not perfect, but they’re helpful, provided you know how to qualify them in the necessary ways. Antiquity, orthodoxy of doctrine, personal sanctity, and approval by the church. So why read the Church Fathers? I think that it’s… easy, I think, to underestimate, especially in our modern society, I think it’s very easy, it’s part of our modern hubris, right, to underestimate the contributions of the past and to overestimate the contributions of the present. We think we’re always, every generation thinks it’s the most modern and the most forward-looking and the most progressive, and this is just the hubris and the arrogance of this generation, right? So, so, To open up a text, and this is true even of a non-ecclesiastical text, to open up an ancient text is to open up to yourself a source of ancient wisdom. There might be wisdom there that’s no longer available to us. There might be truths there that are rejected by our society or simply can’t percolate to the surface of the sorts of discourses that we normally hear. And why would you want to deprive yourself of… that opportunity in the case of an ecclesiastical writer of that blessing. So that would be sort of kind of a temporal reason. Our own time is a limited time like every other time, and the more that we can bring to that, the better off we are. So also,

也许有其他人,对他们来说,某个圣徒传记中的这种或那种实践,可能正是他们需要做的,而不一定是你需要做的。我要找的那个和“模仿”押韵的词是什么?抱歉,圣徒传记中的一切都值得钦佩,事实确实如此,但并非圣徒传记中的一切都值得模仿,这就是为什么你需要分辨,这就是为什么你需要一位属灵父亲,这就是为什么你需要在一个群体中,你知道,如果你开始做你在圣徒传记中读到的事情,比如在日历上我们庆祝的“为基督作圣愚”的那一天,如果你星期天来到教会,开始像一些圣愚那样向人们扔核桃,这种行为在你的……是不被接受的,对吧?所以值得钦佩。他们做过更糟糕的事情,但我只说些礼貌的例子。我想有埃德萨的圣西蒙的传记。我想他进入埃德萨城的盛大出场方式,要么是倒退着走进去,要么是把肉条绑在自己身上,让狗追着他,或者是某种非常古怪的事情。所以,是的,教义的正统性。但这并不意味着我们在教会文学中发现的每一件事都处于同一水平,比方说,和其他事物一样。另一个,显然是个人圣洁。仅仅聪明是不够的。仅仅读了很多书或者博学或者擅长神学也是不够的。这里有一个道德的维度。这里有个人圣洁的维度,这真的是不可妥协的。所以我们有很多聪明人,但我们并没有像我们希望的那样有那么多圣人。所以是的,这就是为什么有这种程式化的说法,如果你去一家修院,他们在食堂有诵读,他们会说,诵读我们圣教父的著作,希腊语中的“圣”字是aios,意思是圣人。Aios Ioannis。圣约翰,aios,也意味着圣,就像三圣颂里的aios, aios, aios。所以在希腊语中,aios这个词在英语中有两种翻译,即holy和saint。所以我们说诵读我们圣教父的著作,或者有时是我们被封为圣徒的教父。因此,当在教会或食堂诵读教父的著作时,宣读者向听众宣布,他们所听到的是一位……不仅仅是一个聪明人的作品,对吧?而是一位圣人的作品。这是关键。这是至关重要的。我不想坐在……前几天我感到震惊。有人告诉我他们在某个地方吃饭,正在播放我的录音。那是我在某处做的一次演讲,我心想,我的天哪。这真是,你知道……我想你们本可以做得更好,但无论如何。最后,当然,是教会的认可。我们没有由教会之外的团体或组织,或与教会并行的组织所设立的教父,它必须是教会生命的表达,所以是的,需要教会的认可,但与此同时,我们没有,教会并没有一份官方认可的教父名单,对吧?再说一次,你怎么知道呢?这需要分辨,也就是说,这些作家可能近乎完美或完美;这些作家嘛,他们有很多好的东西,但你必须注意这个;这些作家确实有一些好东西,但是……或者这些作家有非常好的著作,但那些其他的著作根本不要读。它们对你来说没有价值或用处。我们没有一份官方名单来告诉人们类似的事情。这是整个精神的一部分,这并不意味着没有等级制度。是有等级制度的。这并不意味着你可以把某人从底层移到顶层。但教会是以一种怎样的方式行事呢?引导人们进入神学的奥迹,并以一种非常不同的方式进入教会生命的奥迹。但这并不是通过给人们发名单。所以这些是基本的类别,我认为它们并不完美,但它们很有帮助,前提是你知道如何以必要的方式对它们进行限定。古代、教义的正统性、个人圣洁以及教会的认可。那么为什么要阅读教父的著作呢?我认为……很容易,我认为,去低估,特别是在我们现代社会,我认为这很容易,这是我们现代傲慢的一部分,对吧,去低估过去的贡献,而高估现在的贡献。我们总是认为,每一代人都认为自己是最现代、最前瞻、最进步的,而这正是这一代人的傲慢与自大,对吧?所以,所以,打开一本著作,即使是非教会著作也是如此,打开一本古代著作就是为你自己打开一个古代智慧的源泉。那里可能有我们已无法获得的智慧。那里可能有被我们社会拒绝的真理,或者根本无法渗透到我们通常听到的那种话语的表面。那你为什么要剥夺自己……在教会作家的情况下,剥夺那种祝福的机会呢。所以这算是一种时间上的原因。我们自己的时代和任何其他时代一样,都是一个有限的时代,我们能带入其中的东西越多,我们的处境就越好。所以还有,

Especially for Americans, it’s also very easy to overestimate the importance of our culture and of our cultural habits of thinking and of the various cultural assumptions that we make unthinkingly, because every culture has a tendency to naturalize itself. You’re brought up in a certain culture, you think, okay, this is how people live. You don’t think this is how people on my class level and in my part of the country live. You don’t think that this is peculiar to class, race, gender, whatever. You assume it’s perfectly natural, until you go to Europe or to the Middle East or to Southeast Asia and you see that people live totally differently. They eat differently, they speak differently, they get up at different times, they have different kinds of foods. And you start to realize, oh wait a minute now, maybe there’s a lot more to it. Maybe there are other options. Maybe there are other ways of living. We see this with people who come to the Holy Mountain. And one of the things I think that they find so refreshing and so energizing about it is that they see that, yes, there is another way to live. That the way that I live my life in the world, the routines that I have established for myself, the habits into which I’ve become habituated, they don’t have to be. They don’t have to be. There is another way to live. And I think, again, by immersing ourselves in the writings of the Church Fathers, we are exposed to this other way of living. There’s a great line from the Paschal Canon. It speaks about alis viotis is the word. This is another mode of living that has been made available to us through the grace of the Resurrection. And that’s what we’re all about as Christians. So this idea of time and place and overcoming these kinds of cultural and spatial temporal limitations, those are there, but this is still all very human. Because I could say what I just said about Plato, or about Shakespeare, or about Dante, or other languages, other times, other cultures. It’s possible to have a kind of a humanist education, and that can broaden you. So what I’ve said so far is very, very human. It’s purely human. You don’t read the church fathers to be culturally broadened. They’ll have that effect on you, but that’s not what it’s all about. That’s just sort of a human part of it. So to move on then. We would want to underline that the fathers of the church are saints. The fathers of the church are saints. Which is to say that they are people who have been thoroughly and completely transformed by the grace of God. They’re not like us anymore. I mean in that sense. I mean to the extent that I am living a sinful life, to the extent that I am not open to the grace of God, I’m one kind of person. But to the extent that I can overcome those difficulties, break some of those bad habits, open up my heart to God’s grace and allow the Holy Spirit to enter into me, to allow the grace that was given me in baptism to realize its potential, I begin to change qualitatively. That’s the gift and the power of God’s grace. Well, the church fathers were individuals who were thoroughly transformed by the grace of God. And this is so obvious to anyone who picks up their writings and reads them, because the words contain and communicate grace. The writings of the Church Fathers are grace-filled writings. And if we approach them in the right spirit and with the right heart, that same grace will be conveyed to us. St. Isaac the Syrian says somewhere that a virtuous man, when he speaks, conveys grace to his listeners. And those of you who have been in the company of saintly people know that just by being in their presence, just by conversing with them, sometimes just by seeing them, the way they move or something like that, can convey God’s grace to you. It’s not their grace, they have become a vessel for that grace. God now is operating through them. And it’s not simply while they’re in the body, it’s also their words that are not simply receptacles, but sources of God’s grace. The same is true with scripture, obviously, and all the other spiritual and liturgical and ecclesiastical books. They are all filled with grace. Of course, if we read them, we can access that grace. It can become accessible to us, and it gives itself to us, let’s say, let’s put it this way. The grace that is in these words is given to us to the extent that we open ourselves up to it. And this brings us to, I think, our first small text. It’s our first text from St. Maximus. Now, St. Maximus here is talking about St. Gregory the theologian who lived a couple of hundred years before him, and St. Dionysius the Areopagite. So we have St. Maximus the confessor, a church father, talking about two earlier church fathers. We have a saint talking about saints. What does he say? They received within themselves all the outpouring of wisdom that can truly be attained by the saints. That’s a big statement. In other words, human capacity, God made us in such a way that we can receive a certain amount of grace, the grace that is appropriate to human nature. Angels receive a different kind and so on, a different sort of measure, let’s say.

特别是对美国人来说,也很容易高估我们的文化、我们的文化思维习惯以及我们不假思索做出的各种文化假设的重要性,因为每种文化都有将自身自然化的倾向。你在某种文化中长大,你会想,好吧,人们就是这样生活的。你不会认为这是我这个阶层和在我国这个地区的人的生活方式。你不会认为这是阶级、种族、性别或其他什么所特有的。你认为这完全是自然的,直到你去欧洲、中东或东南亚,看到人们的生活方式完全不同。他们吃法不同,说话不同,起床时间不同,吃的食物种类也不同。然后你开始意识到,哦,等一下,也许事情远不止于此。也许还有其他选择。也许还有其他的生活方式。我们在来到圣山的人身上看到了这一点。我认为他们觉得如此清新和振奋的事情之一是,他们看到,是的,还有另一种生活方式。我在世上生活的方式,我为自己建立的日常习惯,我已习以为常的习惯,它们并非必须如此。它们并非必须如此。还有另一种生活方式。而且我认为,再次,通过沉浸于教父的著作中,我们接触到了这种另一种生活方式。《帕斯哈的圣颂典》中有一句很棒的话。它提到了“alis viotis”这个词。这是一种通过复活的恩典而为我们提供的另一种生活模式。这就是我们作为基督徒的全部意义所在。所以这种关于时间和地点以及克服这些文化和时空限制的想法,它们确实存在,但这仍然是非常人性的。因为我可以说我刚才所说的关于柏拉图、莎士比亚、但丁,或者其他语言、其他时代、其他文化的话。接受一种人文主义教育是可能的,这可以拓宽你的视野。所以我到目前为止所说的非常非常人性。这纯粹是人性。你读教父的著作不是为了在文化上得到拓宽。他们会对产生这种影响,但这并不是全部意义所在。那只是其中人性的一部分。那么继续往下说。我们要强调教会的教父是圣人。教会的教父是圣人。也就是说,他们是已经被上帝的恩典彻底和完全转变的人。他们不再像我们了。我的意思是在那个意义上。我的意思是,在某种程度上,我过着有罪的生活,在某种程度上,我没有向上帝的恩典敞开,我是某一种人。但是,在某种程度上,如果我能克服这些困难,打破一些坏习惯,向上帝的恩典敞开我的心扉,让圣灵进入我里面,让洗礼中赐给我的恩典发挥其潜能,我就开始发生质的改变。这就是上帝恩典的礼物和能力。教父们是被上帝的恩典彻底转变的人。这对任何拿起他们的著作并阅读的人来说都是显而易见的,因为这些文字包含并传递了恩典。教父的著作是充满恩典的著作。如果我们以正确的灵和正确的心去接触它们,同样的恩典就会传递给我们。叙利亚的圣以撒在某处说过,一个有美德的人说话时,会将恩典传递给他的听众。你们中那些曾与圣洁之人相伴的人知道,仅仅是在他们面前,仅仅是与他们交谈,有时仅仅是看到他们,看到他们移动的方式或类似的事情,就能将上帝的恩典传递给你。这不是他们的恩典,他们已经成为那恩典的器皿。上帝现在正通过他们做工。而且不仅仅是在他们在肉身中时,他们的文字也不仅仅是容器,而是上帝恩典的源泉。显然,圣经也是如此,所有其他属灵的、礼仪的和教会的书籍也是如此。它们都充满了恩典。当然,如果我们阅读它们,我们就能接触到那种恩典。它可以为我们所接触,并把自己赐给我们,这么说吧,让我们这样表达。这些话语中的恩典,是按照我们向它敞开自己的程度赐给我们的。这把我们带到了,我想,我们的第一段小文本。这是我们的第一段来自圣马克西姆的文本。现在,圣马克西姆在这里谈论的是比他早几百年生活的神学家圣格列高利,以及狄奥尼修斯。所以我们有认信者圣马克西姆,一位教父,在谈论两位早期的教父。我们有一位圣人在谈论圣人。他说了什么?他们在自己里面领受了圣人真正能够获得的所有倾注的智慧。这是一个宏大的声明。换句话说,人类的能力,上帝创造我们的方式使我们能够接受一定数量的恩典,即适合人的本性的恩典。天使接受的是另一种,等等,可以说是不同量度的恩典。

They receive within themselves all the outpouring of wisdom that can truly be attained by the saints. And by setting aside a life conformed to nature, they occupied themselves with the substance of the soul, and so took hold of the living, unique Christ, who, to say what is even greater, became the soul of their souls, manifest to all, through all their deeds, words, and thoughts. Think about that. He picks his words very carefully. That Christ became the soul of their souls, sort of like St. Silouan’s soul as a cave for the Holy Spirit. The soul of their souls manifest to all through all their deeds, words, and thoughts, everything they did, in other words, by which one is persuaded that their works were authored not by them, but by Christ, who by grace has exchanged places with them. If that strikes you as extravagant, if that strikes you as an extreme statement, that is essentially the Orthodox teaching on divinization. We talk about assimilation to the divine. We talk about growing in likeness to the divine. That’s what he’s talking about. So if that seems excessive, if anyone is offended by the idea that a human being can attain that, not simply that degree of grace or that level of grace, but that degree of likeness to Christ to be virtual identification, well then, you need to think more deeply about what the Orthodox Church teaches about the possibilities of human transformation that have been made possible in Christ, because that is our doctrine of divinization or deification. So this means then that to study the Church Fathers is really to study Christ, that the spirit of the Church Fathers, the spirit animating the Church Fathers, is the Spirit of Christ. And it’s also true, of course, to study the works of a Church Father is to enter into the communion of the saints, obviously. Not just reading Shakespeare or Dante or Milton or anything like that. There’s something else that’s at work here. And in most cases, I think it’s safe to say that this gift of sanctity, this gift of divine grace that the Church Fathers received, all the saints received. Grace, but not all the saints are Church Fathers. So the Church Fathers received grace, but almost always this grace was woven together with outstanding intellectual ability. Many of the great Church Fathers were among the most highly educated men of their day. Gregory the Theologian, Basil the Great, St. John Chrysostom, Maximus the Confessor. The list goes on and on. Often they were from upper class families, which is how they were able to have the education that they had. And so they cultivated themselves from a human point of view, their minds, their intellects, their gifts of speech, their gifts of writing. And all of that, of course, was chosen by God, taken by God. And God took their natural gifts of nature that they cultivated and wove them together with his own grace. And to go back to the earlier categories, of course, a deeply moral, spiritual life, which is an irreducible part of this. All right, I said I would say something about why these early fathers, your fourth century, your third, fourth, fifth century fathers from this so-called golden age of patristic literature, are necessarily a little more important. Why do they have an added value, to put it that way, or why do we keep returning to them? It’s what I said earlier, you want to go back to the roots of something. You want to go back to the original forms of something. And this is where these early writers come in, because these early writers, your Chrysostomes, your Basils, and your Gregories, and so on, were not simply on hand during the sort of early, originary period of Christianity. They simply weren’t present at that time. They weren’t simply eyewitnesses to the fact that Christianity was a new faith that was taking shape at that time. They were the architects and the builders of the Church. They weren’t simply on hand at that crucial period. They were the ones who gave the faith its current shape. And everything that we have, our theology, our liturgy, our hymnology, our iconography, our church architecture, our spirituality, our canon law, and anything else you can name came from the hands of these individuals. So this gives them a tremendous importance. You want to know about monasticism? Go to the original monastic writings of St. Basil the Great, who formulated the traditions and the principles of Cenobitic or community-oriented monasticism. That’s the source. If you go to a monastery on Mount Athos today as a novice, they will say, have you read the monastic writings of St. Basil? No. Well, start reading. Everybody in the monastery has read it many times because that’s our source. We continue to live the kind of monastic life that was articulated by St. Basil the Great. What greater exegesis of the New Testament and most of the Old Testament could you hope to find apart from, other than that given to us by St. John Chrysostom? Which is not to say, don’t get me wrong, we can add to that. Other sources can shed light on that, but if you want to have a wonderful, beautiful, insightful, correct, sound, Orthodox interpretation of scripture, you go to St. John Chrysostom. The church has always done that. Throughout the whole, there are thousands and thousands of manuscripts containing the exegetical homilies of St. John Chrysostom. Why are there so many thousands? Because people copied them to read them, all the way through the end of the Byzantine period and beyond. And those of you who might read someone like Theo, I saw up in the bookshop upstairs they have an English translation of the commentaries of Theophilaktos. Some people say of Okhrid, some people say of Bulgaria, that’s irrelevant. He was a devoted reader of St. John Chrysostom.

他们在自己里面领受了圣人真正能获得的所有智慧倾注。通过摒弃顺应本性的生活,他们专注于灵魂的本体,从而抓住了活生生的、独一无二的基督,更伟大的是,基督成为了他们灵魂的灵魂,通过他们所有的行为、言语和思想向所有人显现。想一想这一点。他选词非常谨慎。基督成为了他们灵魂的灵魂,有点像圣西卢安的灵魂作为圣灵的居所。他们灵魂的灵魂通过他们所有的行为、言语和思想向所有人显现,换句话说,通过他们所做的一切,使人确信他们的作品不是由他们自己,而是由基督所写,基督借着恩典与他们交换了位置。如果这让你觉得夸张,如果这让你觉得是一个极端的陈述,那这基本上就是东正教关于神化的教导。我们谈论与神圣的融合。我们谈论在神圣的样式上成长。这就是他所说的。因此,如果这看起来过分,如果有人对人类可以达到那种程度——不仅是那种程度的恩典或那种水平的恩典,而是那种与基督相似到几乎等同的程度——感到冒犯,那么,你需要更深入地思考东正教教会关于在基督里成为可能的人类转变可能性的教导,因为这就是我们关于神化或神化的教义。

因此,这意味着研究教父实际上就是研究基督,教父的精神,赋予教父生命的精神,就是基督的灵。当然,研究一位教父的著作也就是进入圣人的共融,这显然也是正确的。这不仅仅是阅读莎士比亚、但丁或弥尔顿之类的东西。这里有另一种东西在起作用。在大多数情况下,我想可以肯定地说,教父接受的这种圣洁的恩赐,这种上帝的恩典的恩赐,所有圣人都接受了。恩典,但并非所有圣人都是教父。所以教父接受了恩典,但几乎总是这种恩典与杰出的智力能力交织在一起。许多伟大的教父是他们那个时代受过最高教育的人之一。神学家圣格列高利、大圣巴西尔、金口约翰、认信者马克西姆。这样的例子不胜枚举。他们通常来自上层阶级家庭,这就是他们能够接受那种教育的原因。因此,从人类的角度来看,他们培育了自己,他们的头脑、他们的智力、他们的演讲天赋、他们的写作天赋。当然,所有这一切都被上帝拣选,被上帝接纳。上帝接纳了他们所培育的自然天赋,并将其与祂自己的恩典交织在一起。回到之前的类别,当然,还有深刻的道德和属灵生活,这是其中不可分割的一部分。

好了,我说过我要谈谈为什么这些早期教父,你们第四世纪,你们第三、第四、第五世纪的教父,来自这个所谓的教父文学黄金时代的教父,必然更重要一些。为什么他们有附加价值,或者说,为什么我们不断回到他们那里?这就是我之前说过的,你想回到某事物的根源。你想回到某事物的最初形式。这就是这些早期作家发挥作用的地方,因为这些早期作家,你们的金口约翰,你们的巴西尔,你们的格列高利等等,不仅仅是在基督教早期、起源时期在场。他们只是在那个时期在场。他们不仅仅是基督教在当时正在形成的一种新信仰这一事实的目击者。他们是教会的建筑师和建设者。他们不仅仅在那个关键时期在场。他们是赋予信仰当前形态的人。我们所拥有的一切,我们的神学,我们的礼仪,我们的赞美诗,我们的圣像学,我们的教会建筑,我们的属灵生活,我们的教会法,以及你能想到的任何其他东西,都出自这些人之手。因此,这赋予了他们极大的重要性。

你想了解修道主义吗?去读大圣巴西尔最初的修道著作吧,他制定了共住修道院或面向社区的修道主义的传统和原则。那就是源头。如果你今天作为初学者去阿索斯山上的一个修院,他们会说,你读过圣巴西尔的修道著作吗?没有。那么,开始读吧。修院里的每个人都读过很多遍,因为那是我们的源头。我们继续过着由大圣巴西尔所阐述的那种修道生活。除了金口约翰给我们的之外,你还能希望找到什么对《新约》和大部分《旧约》更伟大的释经呢?这并不是说,不要误解我,我们不能补充。其他来源可以对此提供启发,但如果你想对圣经有一个奇妙、美好、有洞察力、正确、健全的东正教解释,你就去找金口约翰。教会一直这样做。纵观整个历史,有成千上万份包含金口约翰释经讲道的手稿。为什么会有成千上万那么多?因为人们抄写它们来阅读,一直到拜占庭时期结束甚至更晚。你们中那些可能读过像西奥这样的人的著作的人,我在楼上的书店里看到他们有一本狄奥菲拉克图斯注释的英文译本。有人说他是奥赫里德的,有人说他是保加利亚的,这无关紧要。他是金口约翰的忠实读者。

He sort of massively appropriated the kind of Chrysostomic hermeneutical tradition, and then of course added his own elements to it as well, but it is largely Chrysostomic both in spirit and largely in letter. And some people hear these kinds of ideas, they say, so are we simply fated to repeat ancient formulas? And the answer to that is no, because they’re not ancient formulas for one thing. It’s part of the… anybody who takes this material seriously and approaches it in a prayerful manner will find their whole being transformed. This is not repeating an ancient formula. And I’m not saying, I don’t rule out novelty, I don’t rule out additions, I don’t rule out developments. But any development that is not rooted in the tradition is something we should all be suspicious about, or at least we should ask questions of it. And if it’s contradictory, then… and this happens. We hear people saying things now that are contrary to the tradition, and we should be very careful before agreeing to accept ideas like that. All right, another aspect now of the church fathers. We said, what is a church father? Why read church fathers? What is the importance of these foundational figures? Another key element here is what we might want to call spiritual paternity. This gets us now to the idea of a father. Why do we call the fathers of the church fathers? Because the irony, if you wish to see it as an irony, is that almost none of them were married or had children, right? There are maybe one or two that I can think of that might have been married at one point, but for the most part, none of the church fathers, they were all celibate. Many of them lived monastic lives and were called from the monastery to serve the church in the world. Chrysostom, Basil, so many of them, right? So we do call them fathers. We do call them fathers. Obviously not in a biological sense, but how exactly do we mean this? Well, maybe the first thing to do is to quote St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 4.15. It’s a passage that everybody knows. He says, if you have 10,000 teachers or 10,000 instructors in Christ, you do not have many fathers. It’s not just the teaching, right? You do not have many fathers. He says, for in Jesus Christ, by the gospel, I have begotten you. So St. Paul understands himself as a father in the sense that in Christ and through the gospel, he has given spiritual birth to individuals who are now his children. And the medium of that procreation, let’s say, is the word. It’s the logos. This is, there’s a very… earlier I criticized people who collapsed ideas into their historical antecedents. It would be fun to take a tangent here and talk about the whole notion of logos in the ancient Greek world and how that was appropriated by, in the Christian tradition. I should keep an eye on the time here, but it would take us too far afield. Although it might be worth mentioning that Socrates understood himself as a midwife. That was his chief designation for himself because he helped his disciples bring birth to the ideas that were forming in their minds. And he says, and as midwives did in those days, when he saw that some ideas were deformed or incapable of life, he would actually destroy them in the womb of the mind before they came to full term. It’s not a very pleasant image, but it’s graphic and it makes the point. But his chief business was to help individuals not simply give birth to ideas, but in a Christian context, to help individuals become themselves in God, in Christ, to help Christ be born in them, which is not I’m over here and Christ is over there. It’s not just Christ is something separate. It’s a transformation of the whole self. So you understand that there is this notion of spiritual paternity, and this is who the church fathers are. And when we read their writings, that same grace, as I said earlier, is communicated to us, is conveyed to us, and we can become their disciples, their children, their sons and daughters in our own way. We could have spent the whole evening talking about just the word, the notion of the logos, of the word. I remember years ago as a seminarian, I was impressed by a moment in the life of St. Francis of Assisi. This is in the Middle Ages, before there was printing and words were valuable things, and to have a book was difficult, somebody had to copy it by hand. He was walking down the road and he saw scraps of paper on the side of the road, and on the scraps of paper were letters. And they were so precious to him that of course he stopped and picked them up and kept them because words and language were… we don’t appreciate them anymore. We’re just so sick of words actually, right? But not these folks. And more recently there’s a new English translation, new, it’s the first ever English translation of the life of Saint Simeon, the new theologian that’s just been published several months ago. And I was very surprised because I’d never seen this sort of thing before. It said that the saint loved letters so much because it was through letters and through words that the gospel came to him and the grace of God came to him that when he would open a book he would press his eyes to the… this is what the text seems to be saying… he would press his eyes, touch his eyes to the pages of the book because he felt like people touch icons maybe something like this, right, because they are a source of grace and one last sort of anecdote and maybe we can take a break. And actually one of my students brought this to my attention. I wish I could say that I found this myself. I didn’t. One of my students mentioned it to me.

他大量地吸收了金口约翰的释经传统,当然也加入了他自己的元素,但无论在精神上还是在字面上,很大程度上都是金口约翰式的。有些人听到这类观点,他们会说,那么我们注定只能重复古老的公式吗?答案是否定的,首先因为它们不是古老的公式。这是……任何人如果认真对待这些材料并以祈祷的方式去接触它,都会发现自己的整个生命被转变了。这不是在重复一个古老的公式。我也不是说,我不排除新颖性,我不排除补充,我不排除发展。但是任何不扎根于传统的发展,我们都应该保持怀疑,或者至少我们应该对此提出疑问。如果它是矛盾的,那么……这种情况确实会发生。我们现在听到人们说一些与传统相悖的话,在同意接受这类观点之前,我们应该非常谨慎。

好了,现在谈谈教父的另一个方面。我们说过,什么是教父?为什么要读教父的著作?这些奠基性人物的重要性是什么?这里的另一个关键要素是我们可能称之为属灵父职的东西。这让我们想到了“父亲”的概念。为什么我们称教会的教父为“父亲”?因为具有讽刺意味的是——如果你愿意将其视为一种讽刺的话——他们中几乎没有人结婚或生儿育女,对吧?我能想到可能有一两个人曾经结过婚,但在很大程度上,没有哪位教父是这样,他们都是独身的。他们中许多人过着修道的生活,从修院被呼召去服侍世上的教会。金口约翰、巴西尔,太多了,对吧?所以我们确实称他们为父亲。我们确实称他们为父亲。显然不是在生物学意义上,但我们究竟是什么意思呢?

好吧,也许首先要做的是引用圣保罗在《哥林多前书》4:15中的话。这是一段大家都知道的经文。他说,你们就算有上万个师傅,在基督里,却不多有父亲。不仅仅是教导,对吧?你们不多有父亲。他说,因我在耶稣基督里用福音生了你们。所以圣保罗将自己理解为一位父亲,意思是在基督里并借着福音,他给了个人属灵的出生,这些人现在成了他的孩子。可以说,那种繁衍的媒介就是道(word)。就是道(logos)。这……有一个非常……早些时候我批评了那些将观念与其历史前身混为一谈的人。在这里偏离一下主题,谈谈古希腊世界中“道”(logos)的整个概念,以及它是如何被基督教传统吸收的,会很有趣。我应该注意一下时间,但这会把我们带得太远。虽然可能值得一提的是,苏格拉底将自己理解为一名助产士。这是他对自己最主要的称呼,因为他帮助他的门徒生发出正在他们脑海中形成的观念。他说,就像那个时代的助产士一样,当他看到一些观念是畸形的或无法存活时,他实际上会在它们足月之前在思想的子宫里摧毁它们。这不是一个很令人愉快的意象,但它很生动,并且说明了问题。但他的主要任务不仅是帮助个人生发出观念,在基督教的语境下,更是帮助个人在上帝、在基督里成为他们自己,帮助基督在他们里面出生,这不是说我在这里,基督在那里。不是说基督是某种分离的东西。这是整个自我的转变。所以你要明白,有这种属灵父职的概念,这就是教父是谁。当我们阅读他们的著作时,正如我早先所说,同样的恩典传递给了我们,传达给了我们,我们可以以我们自己的方式成为他们的门徒、他们的孩子、他们的儿女。

我们本可以花一整晚的时间来谈论“道”这个词,谈论“道”(logos)的概念,谈论“话语”(word)。我记得多年前作为一名神学院学生,阿西西的圣方济各生命中的一个时刻让我印象深刻。这是在中世纪,在印刷术出现之前,文字是珍贵的东西,拥有一本书很困难,必须有人手工抄写。他走在路上,看到路边有碎纸片,碎纸片上有字母。这些对他来说太珍贵了,他当然停下来把它们捡起来并保存好,因为文字和语言是……我们不再珍惜它们了。实际上我们对文字已经厌倦了,对吧?但这些人不是。最近有一个新的英文译本,说是新的,其实是新神学家西蒙生平的第一个英文译本,几个月前刚出版。我非常惊讶,因为我以前从未见过这种事。上面说这位圣人非常热爱字母,因为正是通过字母和文字,福音临到了他,上帝的恩典临到了他,以至于当他打开一本书时,他会把眼睛贴在……这似乎是文本所说的……他会把眼睛贴在书页上,用眼睛触碰书页,因为他觉得就像人们触摸圣像一样,也许就像这样,对吧,因为它们是恩典的源泉。最后讲一个轶事,也许我们就可以休息一下了。实际上是我的一个学生让我注意到了这一点。我希望我能说这是我自己发现的。但我没有。是我的一个学生向我提到的。

There’s a moment in the autobiography of Helen Keller, who I think was mentioned in Sharon’s talk. Is that correct? Yeah. Because Mother Gavrilia had apparently met Helen Keller at one point. Among the many beautiful and touching moments in that autobiography is one that involves language, obviously, but in a very particular way. And it’s at an early point in—I haven’t seen the film, somebody told me that this actually figures prominently in the film—Helen Keller’s teacher, Annie Sullivan, is very frustrated at this point because despite all of her patience and all of her efforts, she cannot seem to get through to Helen Keller. And she’s been trying to; she would sort of give her an object to hold, cup or water, and then she would try to write the word on her, but Helen Keller just could not make the connection, which is admittedly not easy. What does this have to do with this? How do you even? And Helen Keller says in the autobiography that before I learned to speak, before I learned language, not only did I live in a world of darkness, but I lived in a world in which individual objects were not differentiated from each other. To us, that would be nightmarish. For everything to be somehow one kind of blur in a sense, in a physical sense. She did not have a clear idea that they were separate physical objects in the world. Of course it’s not going to be easy for her to figure out cup, water, W-A-T, whatever. And at one point the teacher had given her a doll and Helen, being a slightly impetuous child, broke it on the ground and the teacher, I think, began to scold her and Helen Keller ran out of the house into the backyard where there was a well. And the teacher, talk about saintly people, didn’t give up, chases her out of the house, sees an opportunity for learning, and brings Helen Keller to the source of the spigot and starts to pump the water so that it comes down her hands and arms. And I think at that point writes water. And she says, that was the moment when I got it. That’s when I realized that there was something in the world called water. And it was cold and refreshing and sweet and that it has a name. And she wrote, of course, the name. There’s a biblical verse about God writing names. Is it our names in his palms or something like that? I forget exactly. But it’s this whole idea of logos, that without the logos, without the word, even, again, on this very fundamental human level, there’s no mind. There’s no thought, there’s no enlightenment. And machines can’t do this, by the way, as much as they’d like us to believe that in artificial intelligence and all. Animals can’t do this either, right? Sit and write some beautiful dogs running around the property here. No matter how many times you throw water on them, they’re not gonna… It’s part of the gift of what it is to be human. So that story to me, the first time I heard it, it was so powerful. That’s it. Nothing better encapsulates the connection between mind and sensation and experience and language and logos. And it’s really remarkable. Actually, you can find her whole autobiography online. I found it for free. And if you just search the word water, you’ll probably find it within the first two or three. So it’s an amazing thing to read. We’ve been here for about an hour, I think. Modern pedagogy says that most folks can’t handle more than 45 minutes of somebody else babbling. So I’ve taxed you for 15 minutes beyond that. Let’s take a little break, maybe five minutes, and then come back. Patristic Nectar Publications presents The Life and Teaching of St. Maximus the Confessor by Father Maximus Simono Petridis. Lecture 2. An Overview of the Life of St. Maximus. Keep an eye on the clock because I don’t want to run over time. So we said the second item on the agenda tonight was just to give you kind of an overview or sketch of the life of St. Maximus the Confessor. He was born probably around 580, so late 6th century, and he died on August 13th, on which day the church continues to celebrate the translation of his relics. At one point, I don’t know exactly when, his commemoration was moved from August 13th to the month of January, when the church celebrates most of its great so-called doctors and church fathers. So he was moved to late January, January 21st, although the church still remembers the feast on the 13th, which was actually the day he died. There’s a little sort of humorous element in this because I’ll be flying back to the East Coast on August 13th, so there’ll be another translation of another Maximus to another place. If you read through enough of his writings, he very, very infrequently makes remarks about himself. Most church fathers never talk about themselves. They don’t talk about their personal experiences, very, very rarely. They don’t tell you about their lives, their childhood. Again, very different from our American culture of therapy, where you sit down next to somebody on an airplane you’ve never met before, and they feel compelled to tell you their whole life story from DNA forward, right? That’s not the sort of thing they engaged in. But if you do read enough of his works, you do get sort of information about him. And we find out he seems to have been actually on the short side, because he often puns about his inability to reach certain kinds of intellectual heights and puns on his short stature, which he says is a metaphor for his spiritual sort of shortness. He also seems to have had very poor eyesight, because he does talk about this… but the difficulty he had in reading certain things that were sent to him. And again, he very frequently puns on, he talks about his intellectual myopia, or actually the Greek word is amvliopia.

在海伦·凯勒的自传中有一个时刻,我想莎伦的演讲中提到过她。对吗?是的。因为加夫里利亚修女(Mother Gavrilia)显然曾在某个时候见过海伦·凯勒。在那本自传中,有许多美丽而感人的时刻,其中一个显然与语言有关,但方式非常特别。这发生在早期——我没看过那部电影,有人告诉我这在电影中占据了重要位置——海伦·凯勒的老师安妮·沙利文此时非常沮丧,因为尽管她付出了所有的耐心和努力,她似乎还是无法让海伦·凯勒明白。她一直在尝试;她会给她一个东西拿着,比如杯子或水,然后她会尝试在她手上拼写这个词,但海伦·凯勒就是无法建立联系,这确实不容易。这和这有什么关系?你甚至怎么……?海伦·凯勒在自传中说,在我学会说话之前,在我学会语言之前,我不仅生活在一个黑暗的世界里,而且生活在一个各个物体之间没有区别的世界里。对我们来说,那将是一场噩梦。从某种意义上说,从物理意义上说,一切都是一种模糊的状态。她不清楚它们是世界上独立的物理实体。当然,对她来说弄清楚杯子、水、W-A-T(水)等是不容易的。有一次老师给了她一个洋娃娃,海伦作为一个有点冲动的孩子,把它摔在地上打碎了,我想老师开始责骂她,海伦·凯勒跑出房子来到后院,那里有一口井。而这位老师,说到圣人般的人,她没有放弃,追着她出了房子,看到了一个学习的机会,把海伦·凯勒带到水龙头源头,开始抽水,让水流过她的手和手臂。我想那时她在她手上拼写“水”。她说,那就是我明白的时刻。那时我才意识到世界上有一种东西叫水。它是冰凉的、清爽的、甜美的,而且它有一个名字。当然,她写下了这个名字。有一节圣经经文是关于上帝写下名字的。是在他手掌上写下我们的名字之类的吗?我记不清了。但这正是关于道(logos)的整个概念,没有道,没有话语,甚至,再说一次,在这个非常基本的人类层面上,就没有心灵。没有思想,没有启蒙。顺便说一句,机器做不到这一点,尽管它们想让我们相信人工智能之类的东西。动物也做不到这一点,对吧?坐在这里写东西,一些漂亮的狗在院子里跑来跑去。不管你往它们身上泼多少次水,它们都不会……这是作为人类这一恩赐的一部分。所以那个故事对我来说,我第一次听到时,它是如此有力量。就是这样。没有什么比这更好地概括了心灵、感觉、经验、语言和道之间的联系。这真的很了不起。实际上,你可以在网上找到她的完整自传。我免费找到了它。如果你只搜索“水”这个词,你可能在前两三个结果中就能找到它。所以这是一本令人惊叹的读物。我想我们在这里已经待了大约一个小时了。现代教育学说,大多数人无法忍受别人喋喋不休超过45分钟。所以我已经让你们多承受了15分钟。我们休息一下,大概五分钟,然后再回来。教父甘露出版社(Patristic Nectar Publications)推出,由马克西姆·西蒙诺·佩特里迪斯神父主讲的《认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导》。第二讲。认信者圣马克西姆生平概述。注意一下时间,因为我不想超时。所以我们说今晚议程的第二项就是给你们一个关于认信者圣马克西姆生平的概述或素描。他大概出生于580年左右,也就是6世纪末,于8月13日去世,教会至今仍在这一天庆祝他的圣髑迁移。在某个时候,我不知道确切是什么时候,对他的纪念从8月13日移到了1月份,教会在这个月庆祝其大部分伟大的所谓圣师和教父。所以他被移到了1月下旬,1月21日,尽管教会仍然在13日纪念这个节日,而这实际上是他去世的日子。这里有一点幽默的元素,因为我将在8月13日飞回东海岸,所以将会有另一个马克西姆迁移到另一个地方。如果你读够了他的著作,你会发现他极少谈论自己。大多数教父从不谈论自己。他们不谈论自己的个人经历,非常非常罕见。他们不告诉你他们的生活,他们的童年。同样,这与我们美国的治疗文化非常不同,在那种文化中,你坐在飞机上一个你从未见过的人旁边,他们就觉得有必要告诉你他们从DNA开始的全部人生故事,对吧?这不是他们所做的事情。但是如果你读够了他的作品,你确实能获得一些关于他的信息。我们发现他似乎实际上个子比较矮,因为他经常双关语地谈论自己无法达到某种智力高度,并拿自己的矮个子开玩笑,他说这是他属灵上“矮小”的隐喻。他似乎视力也很差,因为他确实谈到了这个……谈到他在阅读寄给他的某些东西时的困难。同样,他经常用双关语,他谈到自己的智力近视,或者实际上希腊词是amvliopia(弱视)。

Is there an amblyopia? Has anybody heard anything about it? There is, you see, so the work has survived. What exactly is it, by the way? It’s not… Oh, interesting. That’s a problem, isn’t it? So, we know… The few things we know about him is that he wasn’t very tall and he suffered with bad eyesight. Now, being born in 580 means that he was born at the end of the Justinianic period. He was born at the end of the so-called first golden age of Byzantium, which peaked under the emperor Justinian, who reconquered lost Roman territories and expanded the Roman Byzantine Empire to its greatest extent from Spain in the west all the way across the Mediterranean and North Africa to as far as the Caspian Sea. So he had really exerted the military and the fisc and all of these sort of social forces to recapture these lost territories, but was not able to hold on to them for very long because it was a lot of territory, and there were other problems as well. So Maximus is sort of born at this moment of very high civilization, but this also happens to be the same point when that high civilization begins to enter a decline. What happened basically was that Justinian had spent a great deal of his time fighting the Persians. Persia was always the other superpower to the ancient Greek world, because all the way back to antiquity. And this continued through the early Byzantine period. And after repeated wars between Byzantium and Persia, both of these two superpowers basically wore themselves out. And their weakened condition made it relatively easy for the armies of Muhammad to move into that territory and take over both Persian territories and Byzantine territories. And Maximus is alive at the time when all of this is going on. And we could say more about that, but it’s not terribly important for us right now. In terms of his education, we don’t have a lot of information about his early life. We certainly don’t have as much information as we’d like to. And we just have little bits of it. And he tells us that he really didn’t have a kind of proper education. He says that he was an idiotis, like Dostoevsky’s The Idiot. It doesn’t mean an idiot, it means somebody who’s actually sort of eccentric or formed somehow in a way that’s peculiar or private, perhaps. It could even mean he had a kind of private education. And what it really means is that he did not have formal training in rhetoric, which was prized among the Byzantines, which is also why his writings are very complicated, because it doesn’t adhere to sort of standard form. He’s a sort of a philosophical thinker and kind of goes off on long tangents and does things that were considered inappropriate in terms of the literary and prose and rhetorical fashions of the day. And he often apologizes about this, and we’ll see some of that at a later point. What is clear, I mean he didn’t have a literary or a rhetorical education, but what is clear is that he had the highest philosophical education available to anybody in that period. How exactly he acquired this, who his teachers were, where he studied, I mean Constantinople is most likely where, but we don’t really know as much about that as we would like. And since we’ve brought this up, I’ll say now that this is one of the things that makes Maximus so difficult because while he was a man of profound spiritual experiences, he was also a man with a profound theological vision, and he was also a man who had this elaborate and highly sophisticated philosophical training so that when it came time for him to talk about those experiences or to talk about the experience of grace, for example, to talk about the life of prayer, to talk about the experience of being assimilated to God or to express his theological vision, he had the full panoply of the whole of ancient philosophy at his fingertips. And he does not adhere to it slavishly. He makes creative and, again for us, alas, eccentric at times use of that philosophical tradition. So this is what makes him very, very complex because there’s a tremendous depth of experience behind his writings. And the experience is expressed through this highly elaborate and rhetorically sometimes messy sort of prose style. We’ll be seeing more of that. I’ve got a number of texts for us to look at over the next few days. So this might sound intriguing to you now, but after you read a few lines, you’ll be like, oh, this is really hard. But we’ll get to that. As far as the traditional life of St. Maximus goes, and there are some questions that people have raised about it, but they’re not that important for us right now. He was in the service of the emperor as a younger man, as a layman. Before he became a monk, he actually was on the secretarial staff of the Emperor Heraclius. And there’s some information that he might have been a distant relative of the Emperor Heraclius, because the Emperor Heraclius actually seized power in Constantinople and had to form a new government, and Maximus was one of the first people that he called. And there’s some indication, there’s some literary evidence that they were actually distantly related, which is why maybe Heraclius knew about him and trusted him and got him to work in the court. But Maximus seems to have grown tired of this. He may have never wanted to go there in the first place, we don’t know. But around 613 or 614, as best we can tell, he resigns his position in the imperial chancery, and he crosses over into Asia Minor, where he becomes a monk in a monastery at a fairly older age in life, so around 613 to 614. By 618, he’s in a city called Chrysopolis and living in a monastery. And he already has a disciple, a fellow by the name of Anastasios, who will stay with him for the rest of his life. The two will stay together.

有没有弱视?有人听说过吗?你看,有,所以作品流传下来了。顺便问一下,这到底是什么?这不是……哦,有意思。这是个问题,不是吗?所以,我们知道……关于他,我们知道的几件事是他个子不高,而且视力不好。他出生于580年,这意味着他出生在查士丁尼时期末期。他出生在所谓的拜占庭第一个黄金时代的末期,这个时代在查士丁尼皇帝统治时期达到顶峰,查士丁尼重新征服了失去的罗马领土,并将罗马拜占庭帝国扩张到最大版图,从西部的西班牙横跨地中海和北非,一直延伸到里海。因此,他确实动用了军队、财政以及所有这些社会力量来收复这些失去的领土,但没能守住太久,因为领土太大了,而且还有其他问题。所以马克西姆就出生在这个高度文明的时刻,但这恰好也是这个高度文明开始走向衰落的节点。基本上发生的事情是,查士丁尼花了大量时间与波斯人作战。自古以来,波斯一直是古希腊世界的另一个超级大国。这种情况一直持续到早期拜占庭时期。在拜占庭和波斯之间反复发生战争之后,这两个超级大国基本上都耗尽了精力。他们虚弱的状态使得穆罕默德的军队相对容易地进入该地区,接管了波斯和拜占庭的领土。而马克西姆在所有这一切发生时还活着。关于这一点我们可以多说一些,但现在对我们来说并不太重要。就他的教育而言,我们没有太多关于他早年生活的信息。我们肯定没有我们想要的那么多信息。我们只有零星的片段。他告诉我们,他其实没有受过什么正规教育。他说他是一个idiotis(平民/外行),就像陀思妥耶夫斯基的《白痴》一样。这并不意味着他是白痴,而是指一个实际上有些古怪,或者以某种奇特或私人的方式形成的人,也许吧。这甚至可能意味着他接受过某种私人教育。它真正的意思是,他没有接受过修辞学的正式训练,而这在拜占庭人中备受推崇,这也是为什么他的著作非常复杂的原因,因为它不遵循某种标准形式。他是一个哲学思想家,喜欢长篇大论地跑题,做一些在当时文学、散文和修辞时尚看来不合适的事情。他经常为此道歉,我们稍后会看到一些。清楚的是,我的意思是他没有受过文学或修辞教育,但清楚的是,他接受了那个时期任何人所能获得的最高水平的哲学教育。他究竟是如何获得这些的,他的老师是谁,他在哪里学习,我的意思是君士坦丁堡最可能是他学习的地方,但我们对此并不像我们希望的那样了解。既然我们提到了这一点,我现在要说,这正是让马克西姆如此难以理解的原因之一,因为虽然他是一个有着深刻属灵经历的人,他也是一个有着深刻神学异象的人,他也是一个接受过这种精密且高度复杂的哲学训练的人,因此,当他谈论那些经历,或者谈论恩典的经历,例如,谈论祈祷的生活,谈论与上帝同化的经历,或者表达他的神学异象时,他手边拥有整个古代哲学的全套装备。他并没有盲目地遵循它。他对那种哲学传统进行了创造性的使用,而且,对我们来说,唉,有时也很古怪。这就是为什么他非常非常复杂的原因,因为他的著作背后有着巨大的经验深度。而这种经验是通过这种高度复杂、有时在修辞上显得凌乱的散文风格表达出来的。我们会看到更多这样的例子。在接下来的几天里,我有一些文本供我们研究。所以现在这听起来可能很吸引人,但当你读了几行之后,你就会觉得,哦,这真的很难。但我们会讲到那里的。至于圣马克西姆的传统生平,人们对此提出了一些疑问,但它们现在对我们来说并不那么重要。他年轻时作为平信徒在皇帝手下任职。在他成为修士之前,他实际上是希拉克略皇帝秘书处的一员。有一些信息表明他可能是希拉克略皇帝的远房亲戚,因为希拉克略皇帝实际上是在君士坦丁堡夺取政权并不得不组建新政府,而马克西姆是他最早召集的人之一。有一些迹象,一些文献证据表明他们实际上是远房亲戚,这也许就是为什么希拉克略了解他、信任他并让他在宫廷工作的原因。但马克西姆似乎对此感到厌倦。他可能一开始就不想去那里,我们不知道。但据我们所能确定的,大约在613或614年,他辞去了在帝国枢密院的职务,渡海来到小亚细亚,在那里他在一所修院成为了一名修士,当时他的年纪已经相当大了,大约在613到614年。到618年,他在一个叫克里索波利斯的城市,住在一所修院里。他已经有一个门徒,名叫阿纳斯塔修斯,这个人将终生陪伴他。两人将一直在一起。

And then about six or seven years after this, after 618, that is, six or seven years later, he moves to another city. He was always a bit of a wanderer, as you’ll see. So Constantinople, Chrysopolis now, another city. They used to say Syzykis. Now they say Kyzykos or Kyzykis. Doesn’t sound very good either way, but a major city in Asia Minor. And it’s here where he begins to write his earliest works. Now, tomorrow, I’ll spend some time going through all of his works with you. So we don’t need to worry about missing anything right now. But this is where he begins to write some of his letters, the chapters on love that are in the Philokalia. They’re also translated separately in other books. Some of you may have read those. There’s also A Life of the Virgin Mary that survives only in a Georgian translation. It was recently translated into English and published, I think, by Yale University Press. That is ascribed to St. Maximus, but there are lots of doubts about whether or not he actually wrote it. But his name is the one on the text, and it’s available. And then what happens around 626, I mentioned the Persians earlier. In 626, the Persians, every year they’re on spring break. And they come into Byzantine lands and they raid and they rob and they destroy. And actually the Persians had teamed up with the Avars for a kind of a pincer movement on the city of Constantinople. This is the time, this is the story behind the Akathist hymn, which you all know. Yes? Heads nod so that I know that we can… Okay, in 626, the city of Constantinople was under siege by Persians and Avars and others. And I think the Emperor Heraclius was away fighting some battle somewhere else. The defense of the city fell to the then Patriarch Sergius, who was also a hymnographer, by the way. The Cherubic hymn from the pre-sanctified liturgy, Now the Powers of Heaven Invisibly Worship With Us, you’re familiar with this? That’s written by Sergius, other hymns as well. The defense of the city fell to the patriarch Sergius, and of course he organized the people and took the icon of the Virgin Mary painted by Luke. These days we’re in the period before August 15th and in one of the hymns we sing in the Paraclesis it mentions the directress, the icon known as the directress painted for us by Luke the Evangelist. There’s a procession around the walls of the city with the icon and at that moment the enemies have made their final attack and I think a fierce storm breaks out and all the ships in the sea that are attacking the city are swamped and there’s maybe heavy hail and rain, I forget all the details, and if I’m not mistaken in some accounts a figure of the Virgin appears and this is enough to frighten all of the hosts away. This is why they call it a cocculio, this is a special sort of… what’s the English word for it, the proimio, I don’t know if that’s an English word either, but. To you, the champion, leader, it obviously has a military context to it, and that’s the story, the invincible, to you, the invincible, and the word is, to you, is the general, to you, the general or the military leader who cannot be conquered, we, the city, offer you our hymns of thanksgiving. It all comes out of that. Anyway, Maximus was alive at that time, living in Asia Minor, which the Persians had overrun. They destroyed towns and cities, monasteries. We have letters from St. Maximus writing to abbots and asking about what happened to the nuns who were in that monastery that were destroyed and were scattered. Have they been found? Have they been brought back? Or this monastery? So it’s devastation, terrible devastation. And it’s at this point that Maximus leaves Asia Minor and travels south a little bit, probably to Cyprus for a while, before settling for a very long time in Carthage. Right, the city made famous by Saint Augustine for the most part in Northern Africa, modern-day Tunisia, I think. And you might think, well, what’s he doing in North Africa? Carthage was really an important late Roman city. It was no hick town. There was an amphitheater and a coliseum and public baths. The ruins are magnificent. It was a first-class, late ancient city with a large Greek emigre population that had fled there from the Persians. There were already Greeks settled there, but more went after the Persians. And that’s where Maximus goes and settles in North Africa for many years. We have a map here, it might help to look at a map. So this is Byzantium, I mean it should say Constantinople. Here’s where he starts in the service of the emperor and then crosses the Bosporus and spends some time in this area here, I think. I think Kyzykis is about here. I forget the location of modern-day Chrysopolis. The Persians, see the Parthians here, okay, the Persians sweep into Asia Minor, all the way up to the capital. You have other armies coming in this direction. Maximus, along with many others, leaves, travels south probably to Cyprus, and then we don’t know if he stopped in the Holy Lands. He might have. Seems also to have stopped in Alexandria before traveling to Carthage, very close to Rome, as you can see, where many Romans had fled after the fall of Rome in the fifth century.

然后大约在这之后六七年,也就是618年之后六七年,他搬到了另一个城市。正如你们将看到的,他一直有点像个流浪者。所以从君士坦丁堡,现在是克里索波利斯,另一个城市。他们过去常说西齐基斯。现在他们说库齐科斯或库齐基斯。不管哪种叫法听起来都不太好,但它是小亚细亚的一座主要城市。正是在这里,他开始撰写他最早期的作品。现在,明天,我会花些时间和你们一起梳理他所有的作品。所以我们现在不用担心遗漏什么。但这是他开始写一些书信的地方,也就是《爱神集》中关于爱的篇章。它们也被单独翻译在其他书中。你们中的一些人可能读过那些。还有一部《圣母玛利亚的一生》,仅存于格鲁吉亚文译本中。它最近被翻译成英文并出版,我想是耶鲁大学出版社出版的。这被归于圣马克西姆名下,但关于他是否真的写了这本书有很多疑问。但他的名字在文本上,而且是可以找到的。然后大约在626年发生了什么,我早些时候提到过波斯人。在626年,波斯人每年都在春假期间。他们进入拜占庭领土,进行袭击、抢劫和破坏。实际上,波斯人与阿瓦尔人结盟,对君士坦丁堡城形成了一种钳形攻势。这就是那个时期,这就是你们都知道的《弗座词》背后的故事。是吗?点头让我知道我们可以……好的,在626年,君士坦丁堡城被波斯人、阿瓦尔人及其他人围攻。我想希拉克略皇帝当时正在其他地方打仗。城市的防御落在了当时的牧首塞尔吉乌斯身上,顺便说一句,他也是一位赞美诗作者。预先祝圣礼仪中的《天使之歌》,“现在天上的力量无形地与我们一同敬拜”,你们熟悉这个吗?那是塞尔吉乌斯写的,还有其他赞美诗。城市的防御落在了牧首塞尔吉乌斯身上,当然他组织了民众,并带上了由路加绘制的圣母玛利亚的圣像。这些天我们正处于8月15日之前的时期,在我们在《祈求礼》中唱的一首赞美诗里,提到了“引导者”,即由传福音者路加为我们绘制的被称为“引导者”的圣像。人们带着圣像绕城墙游行,就在那一刻,敌人发动了最后的攻击,我想一场猛烈的风暴爆发了,海上所有攻击城市的船只都被淹没,可能还有大冰雹和暴雨,我忘了所有的细节,如果我没记错的话,在一些记载中,圣母的形象出现了,这就足以吓退所有的军队。这就是为什么他们称之为“科库利奥”,这是一种特殊的……英语单词是什么,序言,我也不知道这是否是个英语单词,但是。“致你,冠军,领袖”,它显然有军事背景,这就是那个故事,“不可战胜的,致你,不可战胜的”,这个词是,致你,是将军,“致你,不可征服的将军或军事领袖,我们,这座城市,向你献上我们的感恩赞美诗”。这一切都源于此。无论如何,马克西姆当时还活着,住在小亚细亚,那里已经被波斯人占领。他们摧毁了城镇、城市和修院。我们有圣马克西姆写给修院院长的信,询问那些在被摧毁的修院里的修女们遭遇了什么,她们被驱散了。她们被找到了吗?她们被带回来了吗?或者这个修院呢?所以这是毁灭,可怕的毁灭。正是在这个时候,马克西姆离开了小亚细亚,向南旅行了一点,可能在塞浦路斯待了一段时间,然后在迦太基定居了很长时间。对,这座城市因圣奥古斯丁而闻名,主要在北非,我想是现代的突尼斯。你可能会想,他在北非做什么?迦太基确实是一座重要的晚期罗马城市。它不是什么偏僻小镇。那里有圆形剧场、竞技场和公共浴室。废墟非常壮观。这是一座一流的晚期古代城市,有大量从波斯人那里逃到那里的希腊移民人口。那里已经定居了希腊人,但在波斯人入侵后,有更多的人去了那里。这就是马克西姆去北非定居多年的地方。我们这里有一张地图,看地图可能会有帮助。所以这是拜占庭,我的意思是它应该写君士坦丁堡。这是他在皇帝手下任职的地方,然后穿过博斯普鲁斯海峡,我想他在这个地区待了一段时间。我想库齐基斯大概在这里。我忘了现代克里索波利斯的位置。波斯人,看这里的帕提亚人,好的,波斯人席卷小亚细亚,一直到首都。你有其他军队从这个方向过来。马克西姆和许多其他人一起离开,向南旅行,可能去了塞浦路斯,然后我们不知道他是否在圣地停留过。他可能停留过。在前往迦太基之前,他似乎也在亚历山大停留过,正如你所见,那里离罗马很近,在五世纪罗马陷落后,许多罗马人逃到了那里。

And the Roman connection is important because at this point the Christian East is lapsing into various heresies that I’m not really going to talk about. I mean, the Monophysite heresy, the Monothelite heresy, especially the Monothelite heresy in Maximus’ day, whereas the Latin West has remained faithful to the teachings of the Council of Chalcedon. So Maximus and other sort of Chalcedonian exiles find a welcome in the West, and later on Maximus actually relocates to Rome, becomes very good friends with two successive popes, Pope Martin, and I forget the name of the other pope right now, and is actually involved in very early church councils that are held in the Lateran. So he’s one of the few church fathers that kind of moves back and forth between East and West in this very interesting way. 630s, 640s, sort of middle, starting to get to the latter half of the 7th century. Now, of course, the emperor now has embraced the heresy of monothelitism, a big ungainly word, which means simply that Christ has only one will and not two wills. Whereas the teaching of the church is that because Christ has two natures, human and divine, each nature has its natural energy or activity and also its natural will. Will means something a little different than just power of choice here. Will actually means something much more deep, much more vital. Like the will to live, let’s say, that’s different than I will to go here or there. They’re very different things. So will in the sense of natural vital energy. And because Christ had two full, perfect natures, he had to have the attributes and qualities of those natures, including activities or operations, energies, we say often, but also felimata, wills. So the emperor now is very upset because he’s got things sort of under control in this part of the world, but over here we have a pope and this unruly monk. Saint Maximus, by the way, was never ordained to the priesthood, never became a bishop, of course, which is unusual because most of the church fathers were bishops. They were leaders of churches and so on, not in the case of Maximus. And Maximus now had become the unofficial head of the Church of Africa. There were always African bishops, North African bishops. Everybody recognized Maximus’ theological brilliance. They would have these gatherings of bishops, and he was there basically leading the conversation because he was just head and, despite his short stature, head and shoulders of the rest. And then he’s taken to Rome, where he does similar work for the Pope. The emperor becomes very angry at this, right? Will not tolerate. And no totalitarian regime tolerates this kind of embarrassment on the one hand, but also this disobedience. So to disagree with the religious policies of the emperor is not simply to be a heretic in the eyes of the emperor, it’s to be a traitor. So this is a political crime, right? To disagree with the imperial religious policies is treason. It’s a political crime. The emperor sends his agents to Rome. They arrest both the Pope and Saint Maximus and they bring them. The Pope is exiled for a while under house arrest on a Greek island. I think he dies there. Maximus is brought to Constantinople, put on trial and then sentenced to a period of incarceration somewhere in Thrace over here. They can’t quite kill him because he’s too popular. He’s too well known. They’re actually trying to win him over. They had offered him the patriarchal see of Constantinople. If you subscribe to our theological beliefs, we will make you the patriarch. He’s like, absolutely not. And this is very distressing, by the way. All of the ancient patriarchates at this point, because they were bullied by Constantinople, basically, right? The rest were weak at this point. So Constantinople, where do we go from here? Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria. All of those patriarchates were in heresy. The only anciency that was not in heresy at that time was Rome. So poor Maximus is brought back to Constantinople in chains. He’s about 75, 80 at this point. In chains, naked, humiliated, abused. I mean, brought before the equivalent of congressional subcommittees. And hauled before the Senate, reviled, abused, interrogated. And they said, listen, they said, what? The whole world is in agreement with us. Who do you think you are? What, you’re, all of us are wrong and you’re right? Turned out that’s the way it was. But think of the pressure, right? How do you not doubt yourself when the patriarchs of Constantinople, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch, when all of them are, right? How, I mean, this is almost superhuman. How do you not doubt yourself? How do you, I mean, how are you not filled with just anxiety, right? God, is it possible I’m wrong? Right? Unflinching, unflinching, right? And finally, when they can’t bend him to their wishes, he’s tortured, has his 80, I think he’s 85 now, 83, 85. He has his right hand cut off, his right hand is amputated, because this was the hand that dared to write against the emperor, right? And just to make sure this doesn’t happen again, his tongue is torn out. My brother teaches biology, he knows a lot about physiology. We were talking about just how deep the tongue goes and what a strong and powerful muscle it is and what it must be like to… I won’t even say the words, right? And of course, this is part of Roman bureaucratic barbarism. They were very adept at cutting off noses and hands and feet and probably cauterizing, is that the word? And then the poor fellow, at his age… His disciple, too, by the way, was also treated very poorly. And he’s sent from Constantinople to the far coast of the Black Sea, where he’s locked in a military prison. And that’s where he lives for a few more months and dies.

与罗马的联系很重要,因为此时基督教东方正陷入各种我不打算多谈的异端中。我的意思是一性论异端、一志论异端,特别是马克西姆时代的一志论异端,而拉丁西方仍然忠于迦克墩会议的教导。因此,马克西姆和其他迦克墩流亡者在西方受到了欢迎,后来马克西姆实际上搬到了罗马,与两任连续的教宗——教宗马丁,以及我现在忘了名字的另一位教宗——成为了非常好的朋友,并且实际上参与了在拉特兰举行的非常早期的教会会议。因此,他是少数几个以这种非常有趣的方式在东方和西方之间来回走动的教父之一。630年代,640年代,大概在7世纪中叶,开始进入后半叶。

现在,当然,皇帝现在拥抱了一志论的异端,这是一个笨拙的大词,意思仅仅是基督只有一个意志,而不是两个意志。而教会的教导是,因为基督有两个本性,即人的本性和神性,每个本性都有其自然的能量或活动,以及其自然的意志。在这里,意志的含义与仅仅是选择权略有不同。意志实际上意味着更深层次、更具生命力的东西。比如求生的意志,这不同于我要去这里或那里。它们是非常不同的事情。所以意志是自然生命能量的意思。因为基督有两个完全、完美的本性,他必须具有这些本性的属性和特质,包括活动或运作、能量(我们经常这么说),还有意志。

所以皇帝现在非常不高兴,因为他在世界的这一部分已经把事情控制住了,但在这一边,我们有一位教宗和这个不守规矩的修士。顺便说一句,圣马克西姆从未被按立为祭司,当然也从未成为主教,这很不寻常,因为大多数教父都是主教。他们是教会的领袖等等,但马克西姆不是这种情况。马克西姆现在已经成为非洲教会的非官方领袖。总是有非洲主教,北非主教。每个人都认可马克西姆的神学才华。他们会举行这些主教的聚会,而他基本上是在那里主导对话,因为尽管他身材矮小,但他比其他人都要高出许多。然后他被带到罗马,在那里他为教宗做类似的工作。皇帝对此非常生气,对吧?无法容忍。没有任何极权政权会容忍这种一方面令人尴尬,另一方面又不服从的行为。因此,不同意皇帝的宗教政策,在皇帝眼中不仅仅是异端,更是叛徒。所以这是一项政治罪行,对吧?不同意帝国的宗教政策就是叛国。这是一项政治罪行。

皇帝派他的代理人去罗马。他们逮捕了教宗和圣马克西姆,并把他们带回来。教宗被流放了一段时间,在一个希腊岛屿上被软禁。我想他死在了那里。马克西姆被带到君士坦丁堡,接受审判,然后被判处在这边的色雷斯某地监禁一段时间。他们不能直接杀了他,因为他太受欢迎了。他太出名了。他们实际上是想争取他。他们曾向他提供君士坦丁堡牧首区。如果你赞同我们的神学信仰,我们就让你当牧首。他就像,绝对不行。顺便说一句,这非常令人痛苦。此时所有的古代牧首区,基本上都被君士坦丁堡欺凌了,对吧?其余的在这个时候都很虚弱。所以君士坦丁堡,我们接下来去哪?安提阿,耶路撒冷,亚历山大。所有这些牧首区都陷入了异端。当时唯一没有陷入异端的古老教区是罗马。所以可怜的马克西姆被戴着镣铐带回君士坦丁堡。他此时大约75、80岁。戴着镣铐,赤身裸体,受尽屈辱和虐待。我的意思是,被带到相当于国会小组委员会的机构面前。并被拖到元老院面前,遭到谩骂、虐待和审问。他们说,听着,他们说,什么?全世界都同意我们的观点。你以为你是谁?什么,我们所有人都错了,而你是对的?结果证明就是这样。但想想这种压力,对吧?当君士坦丁堡、耶路撒冷、亚历山大和安提阿的牧首们,当他们都这样时,你怎么能不怀疑自己呢?怎么会,我的意思是,这几乎是超人的。你怎么能不怀疑自己?你怎么能,我的意思是,你怎么能不充满焦虑,对吧?上帝啊,难道我错了吗?对吧?毫不退缩,毫不退缩,对吧?最后,当他们无法使他屈从于他们的意愿时,他受到了酷刑,他已经80岁了,我想他现在85岁,83、85岁。他的右手被砍掉了,他的右手被截肢了,因为这是那只敢于写文章反对皇帝的手,对吧?为了确保这种事不再发生,他的舌头被拔掉了。我兄弟教生物学,他对生理学很了解。我们谈论过舌头到底有多深,它是一块多么强壮有力的肌肉,以及那一定是什么感觉……我连那些词都不想说,对吧?当然,这是罗马官僚野蛮主义的一部分。他们非常擅长割掉鼻子、手和脚,并且可能会进行烧灼,是这个词吗?然后这个可怜的人,在他这个年纪……顺便说一句,他的门徒也受到了非常糟糕的对待。他被从君士坦丁堡送到黑海遥远的海岸,在那里被关进了一所军事监狱。他在那里又生活了几个月,然后去世了。

He died, by the way, without seeing his theological views vindicated. He died before the true theology was sort of affirmed. We complain about, oh, this bishop is no good, or there’s a problem in the church, or I don’t like the priest, and we can’t endure five minutes of a difficult thing, or two years, or five years. These are people who live their whole lives. You could have been born during the iconoclastic period, for example, which lasted for 150 years, and you would have gone to your grave and would have never seen the triumph of orthodoxy. That’s a hard life. That’s a hard life, right? But if it wasn’t for people like these who had the physical and the spiritual stamina to endure the pressure, we wouldn’t have a church for the most part. It would have all collapsed. So he dies there, and he’s buried there, presumably, obviously. And the Georgians, to talk about sort of the ongoing tradition, the Georgians have had a long history of devotion to St. Maximus the Confessor. Lots of folk traditions, and there are some folk traditions where St. Maximus becomes sort of like a rain god. He becomes sort of like a hobbit character who lives in a hollowed-out tree, and you pray to him when you need rain for your crops. There are more sophisticated theological appropriations of Maximus than that, but that’s the kind of a folk story one. And there’s even some details about his life in final exile, and they had made a prosthetic device. They took sticks, basically, and tied them to his hand so that he could continue to write. And they kept those sticks after he died. And his disciple outlived him. That’s how we know about this. His disciple wrote about it. Anastasios survived the death of his teacher. And he died during the divine liturgy at the precise moment when the priest said the words, thine own of thine own, these we offer unto you. That’s when he expired. And then for a long time, the lights were seen over the grave of St. Maximus. And then it was just lost to history forever, partly because that part of the Empire was lost to the Empire. Things changed under the Soviets, what have you. There was no chance of looking for St. Maximus’s grave. But some of you may have heard that I think two or three years ago, there was some excavations done in that area, and they found a late antique chapel dedicated to St. Maximus with a carved sarcophagus, a late antique chapel with a carved sarcophagus under the pavement that they unearthed, and in it they found a skeleton missing its right hand. And there’s a funny story about this. There was a pilgrim from Romania who comes to the monastery every year. Got to know him pretty well. He knows my name is Maximus. I hadn’t heard about this yet. So the moment he saw me, he was, oh, he goes, I have the greatest news to tell you. I said, what? He said, they found the remains of St. Maximus. I’m like, what? He says, yes. He goes, they know it’s his, he said, because he’s missing the right arm. I said, oh, my goodness. He goes, yes. He goes, and he’s also missing a tongue. And I’m like, oh, okay. You got it right with the first one. So the Georgian patriarchy is open. They’re saying, well, we are prepared to believe that this could be the body of St. Maximus, but we need to do more investigating. Wait till we get more reports and that sort of a thing. So it’s not been confirmed, either scientifically or ecclesiastically, but there’s a chance of that. Okay, we only have a half hour, so let’s move on to, let’s advance to the next slide, look if we can. I was going to say some more here about the reception of St. Maximus the Confessor, as I promised. I actually have an article that I’ve written about this, and it’s been published, and I’ve got a PDF version that I’ve given to the community here. So if anybody is interested and wants to read that article, because it’s far more than I could ever say here, covers centuries of the reception of Maximus’s thought. If anybody’s interested, please don’t bother poor Father Mark, just out of curiosity, if you really want to read it, Father Mark or Deacon Matthew, somebody here has it. But there’s one moment that’s really nice and it’s worth sort of throwing a spotlight on. This is from the 11th, 12th century. This is from the hand of, her name is on the bottom, Anna Komnena, Anna Komneny. She was the daughter of the famous Emperor Alexios. The first Komnenos, one of the greatest Byzantine emperors of all time, she wrote a book about her father called the Alexiad. It was Alexios, sort of modeled on the Iliad. It was a great sort of heroic, it wasn’t poetry, it was prose, but it was a great heroic recounting of her father’s life and achievements. And during her lifetime, during the 11th and 12th century, there was a tremendous resurgence of interest in Maximus the Confessor. And we’ll talk more about this tomorrow. But it seems that even the royal family would read St. Maximus the Confessor. And here’s just a snippet from the text. I will digress here for a moment. The law of rhetoric will not grudge me that privilege. Many a time when a meal was served, I remember seeing my mother with a book in her hands, diligently reading the dogmatic pronouncements of the Holy Fathers, especially of the philosopher and martyr. Note the two epithets there. Especially of the philosopher and martyr Maximus. Inquiries into the physical nature of things did not interest her so much as the study of dogma, which here means doctrine, church teaching, for she longed to reap the benefits of true wisdom.

顺便说一句,他去世时并没有看到他的神学观点得到平反。他在真正的神学得到某种确认之前就去世了。我们抱怨说,哦,这个主教不行,或者教会有问题,或者我不喜欢这个神父,我们连五分钟的困难都忍受不了,更别说两年或五年了。而这些人却忍受了一生。例如,你可能出生在长达150年的圣像破坏时期,你可能会进坟墓,却永远看不到东正教的胜利。那是艰难的一生。那是艰难的一生,对吧?但如果没有像他们这样在身体和精神上都有耐力去承受压力的人,我们在很大程度上就不会有教会。教会早就崩溃了。所以他在那里去世,显然,大概也埋葬在那里。说到这种持续的传统,格鲁吉亚人对认信者圣马克西姆有着悠久的敬礼历史。有很多民间传统,在一些民间传统中,圣马克西姆有点像雨神。他变成了一个有点像霍比特人的角色,住在一棵被掏空的树里,当你需要雨水浇灌庄稼时,你就向他祈祷。对马克西姆的神学借鉴比这要复杂得多,但这是一种民间故事。甚至还有一些关于他最后流放生活的细节,他们为他制作了一个假肢装置。他们基本上是拿了一些棍子,绑在他的手上,这样他就可以继续写作。他死后,他们保留了那些棍子。他的门徒比他活得长。我们就是这样知道这件事的。他的门徒把它写了下来。阿纳斯塔修斯在老师去世后幸存了下来。他在圣礼仪中去世,正是在神父说“这是属于您的,我们将这些奉献给您”的那一刻。他就是在那时断气的。然后在很长一段时间里,在圣马克西姆的坟墓上都能看到光。然后就永远消失在历史中了,部分原因是帝国的那个部分被帝国失去了。在苏联人统治下情况发生了变化,诸如此类。根本没有机会去寻找圣马克西姆的坟墓。但你们中的一些人可能听说过,我想在两三年前,那个地区进行了一些挖掘,他们发现了一个献给圣马克西姆的晚期古代小教堂,里面有一个雕刻的石棺,一个晚期古代小教堂,在路面下有一个他们挖出来的雕刻石棺,在里面他们发现了一具缺少右手的骨架。关于这个有一个有趣的故事。有一个来自罗马尼亚的朝圣者每年都来修道院。我和他很熟。他知道我的名字叫马克西姆。我当时还没听说过这件事。所以他一看到我,就说,哦,他说,我有天大的好消息要告诉你。我说,什么?他说,他们发现了圣马克西姆的遗骸。我说,什么?他说,是的。他说,他们知道那是他的,他说,因为他缺少右臂。我说,哦,我的天哪。他说,是的。他说,而且他还缺少舌头。我说,哦,好吧。你第一个说对了。所以格鲁吉亚牧首区态度很开放。他们说,嗯,我们准备相信这可能是圣马克西姆的遗体,但我们需要做更多的调查。等我们得到更多的报告之类的。所以这还没有得到科学或教会方面的证实,但有这种可能。好了,我们只有半个小时了,所以我们继续,让我们进入下一张幻灯片,看看能不能。我本来想在这里多讲讲认信者圣马克西姆的接受史,正如我承诺的那样。我实际上写了一篇关于这个的文章,已经发表了,我有一个PDF版本,已经给了这里的社区。所以如果有人感兴趣并想读那篇文章,因为那远比我在这里能说的要多,涵盖了几个世纪以来对马克西姆思想的接受。如果有人感兴趣,请不要去打扰可怜的马克神父,只是出于好奇,如果你真的想读,马克神父或辅祭马太,这里的某个人有。但有一个时刻真的很美好,值得聚光灯照一下。这是11、12世纪的。这出自,她的名字在底部,安娜·科穆宁娜。她是著名的皇帝阿莱克修斯的女儿。第一位科穆宁皇帝,有史以来最伟大的拜占庭皇帝之一,她写了一本关于她父亲的书,叫《阿莱克修斯传》。是阿莱克修斯,有点模仿《伊利亚特》。这是一部伟大的英雄式的,不是诗歌,是散文,但这是对她父亲一生和成就的伟大英雄式叙述。在她的一生中,在11和12世纪,人们对认信者马克西姆的兴趣有了巨大的复苏。我们明天会多谈谈这个。但似乎连皇室都会读认信者圣马克西姆。这里只是文本的一个片段。我在这里稍微离题一下。修辞学的法则不会吝啬给我这个特权。很多次在端上饭菜时,我记得看到母亲手里拿着一本书,勤奋地阅读教父们的教义声明,尤其是哲学家和殉道者的。注意那里的两个修饰语。尤其是哲学家和殉道者马克西姆。对事物物理本质的探究并没有像研究教义那样引起她的兴趣,这里的教义指的是教会的教导,因为她渴望收获真正智慧的好处。

It often occurred to me to wonder at this, and as a result I once asked her, how could you, of your own accord, aspire to such sublimity? How could you read such lofty and difficult things? For my part, I tremble and dare not give ear to such things, even in the smallest degree. The man’s writing, Maximus. The man’s writing, so highly speculative and intellectual, makes the reader’s head swim. She smiled. Your reluctance is commendable, I am sure, she replied. And I myself do not approach such books without a tremble, yet I cannot tear myself away from them. Wait a little, and after a close look at other books, believe me, you will taste the sweetness of these. This is remarkable. We’re at the imperial breakfast table in the great palace of Constantinople, and there the emperor’s mother is reading Maximus the Confessor. Could you imagine the first family sitting in the White House reading? The highest level of aristocratic culture, of political power and authority, and then this… Deep devotion to bring it to the breakfast table. It’s a beautiful thing. That’s just one example of, I hate to use the word vogue or fashion, but he really was just the thing in this period. He was always popular, I guess. But this period in particular just had a very remarkable and unique interest in him. So maybe one last thing to mention. You probably know that some of the writings of St. Maximus the Confessor are in the Philokalia. Did you know though that no other writer occupies as much space in the Philokalia as Maximus the Confessor does? Again, that alone I think is a testimony to the importance that the editors of the Philokalia saw in Maximus. That’s tremendous. The Philokalia is an 18th century compilation but it’s based on compilations of ascetical works that were compiled by the Hesychasts in the 14th century. So it’s not an 18th century invention. It’s an 18th century publication of late Byzantine compilations or anthologies of mystical and ascetical writings in which Maximus the Confessor figured very prominently. And in the Philokalia, as I’ve said, St. Nicodemus and St. Macarius, the editors of the modern Philokalia, gave him the largest space of any other author. That alone is, what a thing to have on your resume. That you’ve got more space in the Philokalia than anybody else. Just an example of what a history of reception can tell us about the value or the prominence of the church fathers. The last part hopefully will be, everybody likes icons, so I have a series of just images of St. Maximus for us to look at. We can go to the title here in just a minute. Now, Maximus is one of these saints who does not have an absolutely fixed iconographic tradition. Some saints, especially the big saints, Peter and Paul, for example, their iconographic images were fixed at a very early period, probably going back to ancient portraits of them. We have very old images of them that are now in the Vatican museums. So we have a very stable and continuous portrait type, if you will, for people like Peter and Paul from a very early period. The image of Christ, interestingly enough, remains in some small degree of flux through the 6th and 7th centuries, at which point the church council decides that the type that we know as the Pando Crator, the classic image of Christ with the longish hair and the beard, and this becomes the kind of standard type. Before that, there were other types. There was a younger, sort of cleaner-shaven type, not Christ Emmanuel, but people think it may have come from the Syriac world. They’re not really sure. But other saints, let’s say St. Demetrius, again, very stable types. Why? Because they were popular saints from an early period. A cult grew up, a tradition of devotion grew up around them, usually with a martirion, a shrine housing their remains with an iconographic program. They would also give out souvenirs, blessings, these sort of ampullae, they called them, little lead or tin, metallic containers, either with dust or holy water from the shrine or the holy site, with an image of the saint on it. So people would go to Thessalonica, and go back to another part of the empire with their St. Demetrius image. The same thing is true with the sites in the Holy Lands. If you went to the church in Nazareth, where the Annunciation took place, they would have given you a souvenir of sorts, an evaluhia, a blessing, from ancient times, with Gabriel and the Theotokos there. And that’s how these things would diffuse, because people would bring these things home and they had a lot of prestige value. And so they were diffused throughout the entire Christian world, which is why the iconography of the great feasts is so standard throughout the East to this day. And in the West, through the Renaissance, through Giotto and some later painters. But in the case of some saints who did not have a lot of popular devotion, let’s say, we don’t have the same degree of fixity in terms of their type. So you’ll see, I’ll show you, we have some fluidity here, but one type did come to prevail at one point. So let’s just go now to the, this is actually a ninth century manuscript. It’s known as the Sacra Parallela. We won’t go into the details of the book itself, but it contains what art historians call marginal illuminations. In other words, there are little pictures and paintings in the margins. These are marginal illuminations. It’s a pretty big book. It has 146 folia or folios, folio pages, which means every folio page, the one on the right, that would be folio, let’s say 10A.

我常常对此感到惊奇,因此有一次我问她,你怎么能凭自己的意愿,渴望达到如此崇高的境界?你怎么能读懂如此高深难懂的东西?就我而言,我浑身发抖,哪怕是一丁点也不敢去听这些东西。那个人的著作,马克西姆。那个人的著作,极具思辨性和理智,让读者头晕目眩。她笑了。我相信,你的敬畏之心是值得称赞的,她回答说。我自己在接触这类书籍时也会颤抖,但我无法将目光从它们身上移开。稍等片刻,在仔细阅读过其他书籍之后,相信我,你会品尝到这些书的甘甜。这非常了不起。我们身处君士坦丁堡大皇宫的皇家早餐桌旁,皇帝的母亲正在那里阅读认信者马克西姆的著作。你能想象第一家庭坐在白宫里阅读吗?最高级别的贵族文化、政治权力和权威,然后是这……将之带到早餐桌上的深深虔诚。这是一件美好的事情。这只是其中一个例子,我讨厌使用“流行”或“时尚”这个词,但在那个时期他确实就是最时髦的。我想他一直都很受欢迎。但这个时期对他有着非常显著和独特的兴趣。所以也许最后要提一件事。你们可能知道认信者圣马克西姆的一些著作被收录在《爱神集》中。但你们知道吗,在《爱神集》中,没有其他作家像认信者马克西姆那样占据如此多的篇幅?再说一次,仅此一点,我认为就足以证明《爱神集》的编者对马克西姆的重视。这太了不起了。《爱神集》是一部18世纪的汇编,但它基于14世纪静修主义者所编纂的克修著作汇编。所以它不是18世纪的发明。它是晚期拜占庭神秘主义和克修著作汇编或选集的18世纪出版物,其中认信者马克西姆占据了非常显著的位置。正如我所说,在《爱神集》中,现代《爱神集》的编者圣尼哥底母和圣玛卡里奥给予了他比任何其他作者都大的篇幅。仅此一点,写在你的简历上该是多么了不起的事。你在《爱神集》中占的篇幅比任何人都多。这只是接受史能告诉我们关于教父价值或显赫地位的一个例子。最后一部分希望是,大家都喜欢圣像,所以我准备了一系列圣马克西姆的图像供我们观看。我们一会儿就可以看标题。现在,马克西姆是这些没有绝对固定的圣像传统的圣人之一。一些圣人,尤其是大圣人,比如彼得和保罗,他们的圣像图像在很早的时期就固定下来了,可能可以追溯到他们古代的肖像。我们有他们非常古老的图像,现在保存在梵蒂冈博物馆里。因此,对于像彼得和保罗这样的人,我们从很早的时期就有了一种非常稳定和连续的肖像类型。有趣的是,基督的图像在6世纪和7世纪期间仍然存在一定程度的变化,直到那时教会会议决定采用我们所知的“全能者基督圣像”(Panto Crator)类型,即留着长发和胡须的经典基督形象,这成为了标准的类型。在此之前,还有其他类型。有一种更年轻、更干净利落的类型,不是基督以马内利,但人们认为它可能来自叙利亚世界。他们也不太确定。但其他圣人,比如圣狄米特里,同样有非常稳定的类型。为什么?因为他们从早期开始就是受欢迎的圣人。围绕他们形成了一种敬礼和虔诚的传统,通常伴随着一个纪念堂,一个存放他们遗骸并带有圣像程序的圣祠。他们还会分发纪念品、祝福,这些被称为“圣水瓶”的小铅或锡金属容器,里面装有来自圣祠或圣地的尘土或圣水,上面印有圣人的图像。所以人们会去帖撒罗尼迦,然后带着圣狄米特里的图像回到帝国的其他地方。圣地的遗址也是如此。如果你去拿撒勒发生天使报喜的教堂,他们会给你一种纪念品,一种祝福,从古代起就带有加百列和诞神女的形象。这就是这些东西传播开来的方式,因为人们会把这些东西带回家,它们具有很高的声望价值。因此它们在整个基督教世界传播开来,这就是为什么至今东方大节期的圣像传统如此标准。在西方,贯穿文艺复兴时期,通过乔托和一些后来的画家也是如此。但对于一些没有太多大众虔诚的圣人,我们在他们的类型上就没有同等程度的固定性。所以你们会看到,我将向你们展示,我们在这里有一些流动性,但在某个时期确实有一种类型占据了主导地位。那么现在让我们来看看,这实际上是一本9世纪的手稿。它被称为《圣经平行经文》。我们不会深入探讨这本书本身的细节,但它包含了艺术史学家所说的边缘插图。换句话说,在页边空白处有一些小图片和绘画。这些就是边缘插图。这是一本相当大的书。它有146张对开页,这意味着每一张对开页,右边的那一张,比如说是对开页10A。

10B is the back. So if it’s 146 folios, you have to double the number to get the actual number of pages. So it’s 290, do the math. So it’s a pretty big Manuscript, it contains 1,658 marginal illuminations. And in many cases, these are the oldest images we have for a lot of saints. Now, they’re not done with… I have another image. to show you. They’re not the most highly sophisticated or detailed drawings, but in many cases, they are the first images that we have. And the very first image of St. Maximus, known to me, I don’t know of any that are older, are actually in the Sacra Parallela. To my undying shame as the presenter tonight, I could not find, I do not have, an image of St. Maximus from this book to show you, but they would have looked something like this. I can give you a verbal description, though. He does have a pointed cowl, which we saw earlier, and a kind of a pointed beard, which we will see in some later images. But this is the book that contains the earliest image of him. By the way, this manuscript was on display in New York City from March through July in 2012. There was an exhibition at the Met called Byzantium and Islam, Age of Transition. And if you had the good fortune to be there, you would have seen the Sacra Parallela. which is now in the National Library of Paris in New York City. But the unfortunate thing is that you can only see two open pages, right? You’re not allowed to sit there and flip through it. Okay, another one. We saw this earlier. This is a 12th century image from a manuscript that shows Maximus among a group of church fathers. And he’s second from the end on the left. I said on the left is St. John of Damascus. And Maximus, the depression. Note the pointed monastic cowl. that will drop out of his iconography in later painting, and the beard takes on a slightly different form as well. I said a word about this earlier, so I won’t say more about it. The next image now, please. This is from the church of Saint Luke, but not Luke the Evangelist, Luke, an ascetic, Saint Osios Lukas in Greece, not too far, about an hour and a half from outside of Athens. It’s a magnificent sense. 11th century Byzantine church that was built by a Byzantine emperor. So even though it’s sort of in the middle of nowhere in Greece, it was built with imperial patronage. So it is a magnificent piece of architecture with this very impressive mosaic program. And in this, we’re looking up into a dome with sort of four apsidal spaces here. The figure on the bottom is Saint Maximus. Notice there’s no cowl here. He has a full head of white hair and a pointed white beard. That will change too. Notice he’s also holding a cross, which is not so much a symbol of a monastic, but a symbol of a martyr. But he’s a confessor, though, because he died of injuries sustained for the faith. He didn’t die under torture, but he died shortly thereafter. Okay, the next one now. This is a contemporary church on the island of Chios. It’s also an 11th century church. It’s Nehemiah, the new monastery. It was built by Constantine XI, so it’s another imperial foundation. Beautiful architecture, marble revetments on the walls, wonderful mosaics. This is in the Litti, so you would have the main part of the church, then another part of the church, and then the narthex. This Litti space is only part of monastic architecture, now we don’t have it in our regular churches. I have a pointer here. And St. Maximus is right here, and I have a close-up to show you. Next one, please. Okay, and here he is in this sort of medallion. O aigios maximos. There’s the cross. But notice now the hair is grayer, darker, full head of hair still, and a slightly pointed grayish beard. So if I showed you these without the names, you might not guess they were the same person. All right, another one now. This has become… The classic image of St. Maximus the Confessor. When most Orthodox people think of St. Maximus the Confessor, this is what they see. And this is a remarkable late… I think it’s late 13th century painting, about 1280, 1290, on Mount Athos in the church of the Protaton. The Protaton is the only basilica church on the Holy Mountain, and it has a remarkable series of murals, wall paintings, that were done by a painter named Pancelinos, and the whole church is decorated with his paintings. And it’s kind of hard to tell just from one, but if I could show you a series of these images. Many of you have probably seen these and not without knowing where they’re from. They’re among the masterpieces of late Byzantine painting because of the degree of, I mean, because of the special qualities that the painter brings to these depictions. This is not the world’s greatest slide, but I think this is because this is painted in 1290. I said we read the text by Anna Komnena. It was the 11th, 12th century was when the Byzantine world. sort of discovered or rediscovered Saint Maximus as a speculative theologian, as a philosopher, and as a mystic. And I think it was through that Comnenian revival of Saint Maximus that this new image of him solidified as a kind of a mystic. And I think that’s reflected in this very different prototype that we have now. And this is the one that’s really become standard since then. I said 1290. 1300 is the rough date, we can’t really be sure. Most people argue for 1280 or 1290, we’re not exactly sure.

10B是背面。所以如果它是146对开页,你必须把这个数字翻倍才能得到实际的页数。所以是290页,算一下就知道了。所以这是一部相当大的手稿,包含1,658幅边缘插图。在许多情况下,这些是我们拥有的许多圣人的最古老图像。现在,它们不是用……我还有另一张图片。要给你们看。它们不是最复杂或最详细的图画,但在许多情况下,它们是我们拥有的最早的图像。据我所知,圣马克西姆的最早图像,我不知道还有没有比这更古老的,实际上就在《Sacra Parallela》中。作为今晚的演讲者,让我永远感到羞愧的是,我找不到,也没有这本书中圣马克西姆的图片给你们看,但它们看起来会像这样。不过,我可以给你们一个口头描述。他确实有一个尖顶兜帽,我们之前看到过,还有一种尖胡须,我们将在后面的一些图像中看到。但这本书包含了他最早的图像。顺便说一下,这份手稿于2012年3月至7月在纽约市展出。大都会博物馆有一个名为“拜占庭与伊斯兰:过渡时代”的展览。如果你有幸在那里,你会看到《Sacra Parallela》,它现在在纽约市的巴黎国家图书馆。但遗憾的是,你只能看到两页打开的页面,对吧?你不能坐在那里翻阅它。好的,另一张。我们之前看过这个。这是一幅12世纪的图像,来自一份手稿,展示了马克西姆在一群教父之中。他是左边倒数第二个。我说过左边是大马士革的约翰。还有马克西姆,那个凹陷处。注意那个尖顶修道兜帽,这在后来的绘画中会从他的圣像学中消失,胡须也会呈现出略微不同的形状。我之前已经说过这个了,所以我就不多说了。请看下一张图片。这是来自圣路加教堂,但不是传福音者路加,而是一位苦修士路加,希腊的圣奥西奥斯·卢卡斯,离雅典不远,大约一个半小时车程。这是一个宏伟的景象。这是一座11世纪的拜占庭教堂,由一位拜占庭皇帝建造。所以即使它有点位于希腊的荒郊野外,它也是在皇家赞助下建造的。因此,它是一座宏伟的建筑,有着令人印象深刻的马赛克装饰。在这里,我们抬头看一个穹顶,这里有四个类似后殿的空间。底部的形象是圣马克西姆。注意这里没有兜帽。他有一头白发和尖尖的白胡须。这也会改变。注意他还拿着一个十字架,这与其说是修道者的象征,不如说是殉道者的象征。但他是一位认信者,因为他死于为信仰所受的伤。他不是在酷刑下死去的,而是在那之后不久死去的。好的,现在看下一张。这是希俄斯岛上的一座同时代教堂。它也是一座11世纪的教堂。它是尼亚莫尼(新修道院)。它是由君士坦丁十一世建造的,所以这是另一个皇家建筑。美丽的建筑,墙上有大理石贴面,还有精美的马赛克。这在丽蒂(Litti)中,所以你会有教堂的主要部分,然后是教堂的另一部分,然后是门廊。这个丽蒂空间只是修道院建筑的一部分,现在我们的普通教堂里没有这个。我这里有个指示器。圣马克西姆就在这里,我有一个特写给你们看。请看下一张。好的,他就在这个像奖章一样的地方。O aigios maximos(圣马克西姆)。那里有个十字架。但现在注意,头发更灰、更暗,仍然满头头发,还有略微尖的灰白胡须。所以如果我给你们看这些图片而不带名字,你们可能猜不到他们是同一个人。好了,现在看另一张。这已经成为……认信者圣马克西姆的经典形象。当大多数东正教徒想到认信者圣马克西姆时,他们看到的就是这个。这是一幅非凡的晚期……我想是13世纪晚期的画作,大约在1280年、1290年,在阿索斯山的普罗塔顿教堂里。普罗塔顿是圣山上唯一的长方形教堂,它有一系列非凡的壁画,是由一位名叫帕努塞利诺斯的画家绘制的,整个教堂都装饰着他的画作。只看一张很难看出来,但如果我能给你们展示一系列这些图像。你们中的许多人可能看过这些,但不知道它们来自哪里。它们是晚期拜占庭绘画的杰作之一,因为,我的意思是,因为画家在这些描绘中带来的特殊品质。这不是世界上最好的幻灯片,但我认为这是因为这是在1290年绘制的。我说过我们读了安娜·科穆宁娜的文本。在11、12世纪,拜占庭世界。可以说是发现或重新发现了圣马克西姆,将他视为一位思辨神学家、哲学家和神秘主义者。我认为正是通过科穆宁王朝对圣马克西姆的复兴,他作为某种神秘主义者的新形象才得以巩固。我认为这反映在我们现在拥有的这个非常不同的原型中。这就是自那以后真正成为标准的形象。我说过1290年。1300年是个大概的日期,我们无法确定。大多数人认为是1280年或1290年,我们并不完全确定。

Let’s look at some post-Byzantine images now, images painted after 1453. This is one that we’ll see now, it’s a series of wall paintings that were done on Mount Athos during the so-called Cretan Renaissance. In the 16th century, the island of Crete was occupied by the Venetians. And the fates of the Venetian Republic and the island of Crete were very much woven together for a very long period of time. There was a great artistic renaissance of Venetian painting, people like Titian and Tintoretto and many others. And that had an impact on the Cretan painters who adopted some sort of Italianate forms. They did adhere to the Byzantine prototypes, but you do get some westernizing elements. So most of the monasteries on the Holy Mountain are decorated with 16th century Cretan Renaissance paintings. Probably the one Cretan painter who is the most representative and the one most of you will have heard of is St. Theophanes the Cretan. Does that ring a bell? He is from Crete, traveled to Greece, painted at Meteora, painted on the Holy Mountain, and is rightly recognized as the most representative and the most outstanding of all of the Cretan painters. So here we have an image of Maximus and not quite what we’ve seen before. Certainly go back, look very quickly to Pancelinus. See the differences of the balder head and go ahead. Let’s see another one now from the same period. Rather difficult. Look at this longish beard now. Another one from the same period. Has kind of a dour face, but again that much longer beard and the head. So for some reason the type remains in flux in this period. Let’s go on to another one now. But ultimately, it’s this type that comes to prevail. So let’s move on. And now we’ll look at a series of modern icons of Saint Maximus, all of which tend to be based on this. So this is from the refectory of my monastery, Simonopetra. And here’s the saint with that classic panselinos type, and again, holding the cross. There’s actually a bookcase here where we keep the books that we read from during the meals. So the iconographer, most of the saints are full length, but he’s cut off here and he’s leaning his hand on what’s the top. You can’t see it here. It’s the top of the bookcase. So he was a very bookish kind of person. So I think he would have liked actually being the kind of guardian of the refectory bookcase. Another. This is a modern icon. It’s actually the icon that was given to me after my tonsure, after I received the name of Saint Maximus. And it was painted by the nuns at Ormilia. They have some very fine iconographers there. And you can see that they have very closely respected and followed the prototype, partly because I told them that they said, what kind of, I said, well, it’s got to be the Pancelinos type because that’s Maximus, right? So there it is. The color is not a great slide, but it’s really a beautiful icon. Another. This is a modern icon by a Serbian painter whose name I have here somewhere. I’m not going to lose time trying to find it. I don’t know what the sort of inscription says, but again, notice that the type is what we’ve seen. Another. This is, I think, a late 16th, early 17th century Russian icon from a town that I’m probably going to mispronounce very badly. Solovitch-Shigotsk. And it’s the only sort of older historiated or vita icon of Saint Maximus that we have. It depicts the saint here full length with scenes of his life. This is the only, as I said, older icon of the saint that shows the scenes. I have a couple of close-ups of the scenes, another one. Here he is debating with the emperor, another. Here he is probably going into exile, one of his exiles. Now we’re back to a modern image of Saint Maximus, but here we have the Russian painter now deviating from that late Byzantine Greek type and going back to the cowl and the long beard. Why exactly that is, I can’t say. I don’t know the painter personally or why he chose to depict the saint this way, but it’s an exception to the increasing rule that we have. Another, it’s not really an icon. It’s more of a work of art in iconographic style. I mean, you really wouldn’t want this. It’s not really for veneration. When I say it’s not an icon, I mean it’s not entirely suitable for liturgical veneration because it’s not painted to be venerated. It’s a modern painting by a very talented modern Greek iconographer who experiments with different kinds of styles and compositions. Not always with great success, but here is the saint looking up at Christ and I have no idea what the symbolism is. Maybe these are Alaskan salmon. How does that sound? You like that one? Although I can’t explain the little chameleons, if that’s what they are, or the trees. The figures up top, so, I think it’s George Cordes is his name. He’s a well-known, he comes to the U.S. He’s good friends with Bishop Maksim in the Serbian Diocese of the West. So, he might come to California, he’s come here before, you might be able to bring him up to Eagle River. Another, this is again,

现在让我们来看看一些后拜占庭时期的图像,即1453年之后绘制的图像。我们现在要看的这一组,是在所谓的克里特文艺复兴时期在阿索斯山绘制的一系列壁画。在16世纪,克里特岛被威尼斯人占领。在很长一段时间里,威尼斯共和国和克里特岛的命运紧密交织在一起。威尼斯绘画经历了一场伟大的艺术复兴,出现了提香、丁托列托等许多大师。这对克里特画家产生了影响,他们采用了一些意大利风格的形式。他们确实坚持了拜占庭原型,但确实也出现了一些西方化的元素。因此,圣山上的大多数修道院都装饰有16世纪克里特文艺复兴时期的绘画。也许最具代表性、也是你们大多数人听说过的克里特画家就是圣克里特的狄奥法内斯。有印象吗?他来自克里特,曾游历希腊,在迈泰奥拉和圣山作画,并被公认为所有克里特画家中最具代表性和最杰出的一位。所以这里我们有一幅马克西姆的图像,和我们之前看到的有些不同。当然,可以回过头去,快速看一下帕塞利诺斯的作品。看看秃头上的区别,然后继续。现在让我们看看同一时期的另一幅。有点难分辨。看看现在这把长长的胡须。同一时期的另一幅。脸有点阴郁,但同样有更长的胡须和头部特征。所以出于某种原因,这个时期的类型仍然处于变化之中。现在让我们继续看另一幅。但最终,是这种类型占据了主导地位。让我们继续。现在我们将看一系列圣马克西姆的现代圣像,它们往往都是基于这个类型的。这是来自我所在的修道院——西蒙诺佩特拉的食堂。这里是这位圣人,有着经典的帕塞利诺斯类型,同样手持十字架。这里其实有一个书柜,我们用来存放用餐时阅读的书籍。所以圣像画家把大多数圣人画成全身像,但他在这里被截断了,他的手靠在顶部。你们在这里看不到。那是书柜的顶部。他是一个非常喜欢读书的人。所以我认为他实际上会喜欢成为食堂书柜的守护者。另一幅。这是一幅现代圣像。它实际上是我剪发礼后获赠的圣像,当时我领受了圣马克西姆的名字。它是由奥尔米利亚的修女们绘制的。那里有一些非常优秀的圣像画家。你可以看到他们非常尊重并遵循了原型,部分原因是他们问我想要什么样的,我说,嗯,必须是帕塞利诺斯类型,因为那是马克西姆,对吧?所以就是这样。幻灯片上的颜色不太好,但它确实是一幅美丽的圣像。另一幅。这是一幅由塞尔维亚画家创作的现代圣像,他的名字我写在这里的某个地方。我就不浪费时间去找了。我不知道上面的铭文写了什么,但再次请注意,这个类型是我们见过的。另一幅。我认为这是一幅16世纪末、17世纪初的俄罗斯圣像,来自一个我可能会严重读错名字的城镇。索洛维奇-希戈茨克。这是我们拥有的唯一一幅较古老的圣马克西姆历史性或生平圣像。它描绘了这位圣人的全身像,并带有他生平的场景。正如我所说,这是唯一一幅展示这些场景的较古老的圣人圣像。我有几个场景的特写,这是另一个。这是他在与皇帝辩论,另一幅。这可能是他正在流放,是他其中一次流放。现在我们回到圣马克西姆的现代图像,但在这里,这位俄罗斯画家偏离了晚期拜占庭希腊类型,回到了兜帽和长胡须。究竟为什么是这样,我说不上来。我个人不认识这位画家,也不知道他为什么选择这样描绘这位圣人,但这是我们所看到的日益普遍的规则中的一个例外。另一幅,它其实并不算是一幅圣像。它更像是一件圣像风格的艺术品。我的意思是,你真的不会想要这个。它并不真正用于敬礼。当我说它不是圣像时,我的意思是它并不完全适合礼仪敬礼,因为它不是为了敬礼而绘制的。这是一幅由非常有才华的现代希腊圣像画家创作的现代画作,他尝试了不同类型的风格和构图。虽然并不总是很成功,但这里是这位圣人仰望基督,我不知道其中的象征意义是什么。也许这些是阿拉斯加鲑鱼。听起来怎么样?你们喜欢那个吗?虽然我无法解释那些小变色龙(如果那是变色龙的话),或者是那些树。顶部的那些人物,所以,我想他的名字是乔治·科德斯。他很有名,他来过美国。他和西部塞尔维亚教区的马克西姆主教是好朋友。所以,他可能会来加州,他以前来过这里,你们也许能把他请到鹰河来。另一幅,这又是,

Another work of art by a very talented iconographic painter, but this is no icon, right? It’s not, for it’s not appropriate or suitable for use in church. And it depicts the saint penning a text here, Christ. I don’t know why there’s a ship. Then we have a globe or a world with Christ creating. There’s Adam and Eve here and the sun and the moon, et cetera. And this is actually inspired by a particular essay by St. Maximus. It’s actually translated by Paul Blowers in a little book from St. Vladimir’s that I saw up in the bookstore. And I think it’s Questions to Thalassius, I want to say 61 or 62. Sorry, it’s question 60, which he has translated. This particular question is translated in that book, and he titled it On the Cosmic Mystery of Christ. This icon and the previous icon, by the way, were on display in Belgrade last October. There was an international conference about Saint Maximus, and part of the events included an icon painting contest. Did I say international conference? I should have said. Did I say contest? International conference at which there was an icon painting contest. And the previous one and this one were entries. Another now? We’re almost done. Here we have, this is a medieval Bulgarian manuscript. And the paint is flecked from the surface of the parchment, so it’s not very clear. But here we have the emperor and the torturer cutting off what appears to be both of Saint Maximus’ hands, even though only one was cut off. So artistic license, I suppose, I don’t know. And here you can see either the same fellow, perhaps, with what appear to be a set of pliers of some kind or tongs, wrenching out or uprooting the tongue of the saint. Another image, this is actually a scene from that historiated icon I showed you a moment ago, much more dispassionate in its depiction. The saint is standing here very calmly while one Byzantine soldier here pulls out his tongue and another is getting to work on his right hand over there. So one more. The right hand of Saint Maximus the Confessor for many years now has been at the monastery of Saint Paul’s on Mount Athos. I’ve been able to venerate it at the monastery. Luke was with me once, we venerated it. And it’s a great joy to be able to have actual physical contact with your patron saint, but they have the hand in the monastery. And at that conference in Belgrade, the Serbian hierarchy contacted the monastery of St. Paul’s and they said, would you please be willing to send some of your monks to Belgrade for the conference and to bring with them the relic of St. Maximus? Because we’re going to have people, hundreds of people here from all over the world, mostly Orthodox, but not everybody will be Orthodox. We will have the relic in our seminary chapel throughout the conference and people can venerate it. They agreed, which is very unusual, but they agreed. I think Bishop Maxim has good relations with them. So the next picture then, which is the last, shows three monks from St. Paul’s Monastery. The clergy here, this is in Belgrade, downtown Belgrade. The others here are all local Serbian clergy and others. And here they are with the relic of the right hand of St. Maximus that was brought to Belgrade for the conference, as I’ve said. I think as the next slide says, this is the end of lecture one. We’re just about at the outside limit here, but Father Mark, do you want to open up the floor for some questions? We have time for some questions, so who will have the courage to be the first to raise their hand and ask a question? It’s always difficult. Yes. Yeah, the question for those of you who might not have heard it was, do we know anything about how the right hand was saved or recovered? We don’t have anything specific about that, but we know that the saint went into exile with his disciple and with some others, and also actually found support among the local Georgians, the Orthodox Georgians there. So we know if you go all the way back to a text as early as the martyrdom of St. Polycarp, which is a very early second century text describing the martyrdom of Polycarp, the Bishop of Smyrna, who is killed in the arena. And where the text tells us that after his death, the people from his community went and collected the remains. So this is an ancient practice. And I mean, if you had a close relationship to a person, there’s a natural, I think, desire to want to keep something, to preserve something. So we don’t know who did this, or it would have been probably very easy to bribe. I’m sorry, the hand was removed in Constantinople. I’m sorry, I was temporarily confused. The rest of the body made it to Georgia, where the saint died. So the hand was severed in Constantinople, where we don’t know who kept it and how it made its way to St. Paul’s Monastery. But obviously, pious Orthodox Christians, probably in the circle of the saints somehow, were able to perhaps bribe a guard who nobody wants a severed hand anyway, right? So they were able to take it and to preserve it, and that’s how we have it. So, yeah. Yes. I mean, he must have been an outsider. During his lifetime, you mean? I think that, the question was, I mean, during his lifetime, did he have followers? We know he had an inner circle of two or three disciples. And it’s a little confusing because the two of them had the same name. There are two Anastasii, right? There are two, one Anastasios, Anastasios I and Anastasios II. It sounds like Dr. Seuss or something, but what can you do?

这是另一位非常有才华的圣像画家的艺术作品,但这并不是圣像,对吧?它不是,因为它不适合或不适用于教会。它在这里描绘了圣人在撰写文本,基督。我不知道为什么有一艘船。然后我们有一个地球仪或一个世界,基督正在创造。这里有亚当和夏娃,还有太阳和月亮等等。这实际上是受到圣马克西姆一篇特定文章的启发。它实际上是由保罗·布洛斯翻译的,在我在书店看到的一本圣弗拉基米尔出版社出版的小书里。我想这是《致撒拉修的问题》,我想说是第61或62个问题。抱歉,是第60个问题,他翻译了这个。这个特定的问题在那本书中被翻译出来,他将其命名为《论基督的宇宙奥迹》。顺便说一下,这尊圣像和前一尊圣像去年十月在贝尔格莱德展出过。有一个关于圣马克西姆的国际会议,部分活动包括一场圣像绘画比赛。我说了国际会议吗?我应该说了。我说了比赛吗?是一个有圣像绘画比赛的国际会议。前一个和这个都是参赛作品。现在看另一个?我们快结束了。这里我们有,这是一份中世纪的保加利亚手稿。颜料从羊皮纸表面剥落了,所以不是很清楚。但在这里我们看到皇帝和施刑者切断了似乎是圣马克西姆的双手,尽管实际上只切断了一只。所以我想这是艺术加工,我不知道。在这里你可以看到可能是同一个人,拿着似乎是某种钳子或夹子,拔出或连根拔起圣人的舌头。另一幅图像,这实际上是我刚才给你们看的那幅有故事情节的圣像中的一个场景,描绘得更加无欲。圣人非常平静地站在这里,而这里的一名拜占庭士兵拔出他的舌头,另一名士兵在那边开始对他的右手动手。再看一个。认信者圣马克西姆的右手多年来一直保存在阿索斯山的圣保罗修院。我曾在修院敬礼过它。路加曾和我一起去过,我们敬礼了它。能够与你的主保圣人有实际的物理接触是一件极大的喜乐,但他们在修院里保存着这只手。在贝尔格莱德的那个会议上,塞尔维亚的教阶高层联系了圣保罗修院,他们说,你们是否愿意派一些修士来贝尔格莱德参加会议,并带上圣马克西姆的圣髑?因为我们将有来自世界各地的数百人,主要是东正教徒,但并非所有人都是东正教徒。在整个会议期间,我们将在我们的神学院小堂里供奉圣髑,人们可以敬礼它。他们同意了,这很不寻常,但他们同意了。我想马克西姆主教与他们关系很好。那么下一张图片,也就是最后一张,展示了来自圣保罗修院的三位修士。这里的神职人员,这是在贝尔格莱德,贝尔格莱德市中心。这里的其他人都是当地的塞尔维亚神职人员和其他人。正如我所说,他们带着为会议带到贝尔格莱德的圣马克西姆右手圣髑。我想正如下一张幻灯片所说,这是第一堂课的结束。我们差不多到了时间极限了,但是马克神父,你想开放提问环节吗?我们有一些时间来回答问题,那么谁有勇气第一个举手提问呢?这总是很难的。请讲。是的,对于可能没有听到的人,问题是,我们是否知道关于右手是如何被保存或找回的任何信息?我们没有关于这方面的具体信息,但我们知道这位圣人与他的门徒和其他一些人一起被流放,并且实际上在当地格鲁吉亚人,即那里的东正教格鲁吉亚人中找到了支持。所以我们知道,如果你追溯到像《波利卡普殉道记》这样早期的文献,这是一部非常早期的二世纪文献,描述了士每拿主教波利卡普在竞技场中被杀的殉道过程。文献告诉我们,在他死后,他社区里的人去收集了他的遗骸。所以这是一种古老的做法。我的意思是,如果你与一个人有亲密的关系,我想自然会有一种想要保留一些东西、保存一些东西的愿望。所以我们不知道是谁做的,或者贿赂可能非常容易。抱歉,手是在君士坦丁堡被切断的。抱歉,我暂时搞混了。身体的其余部分到了格鲁吉亚,也就是圣人去世的地方。所以手是在君士坦丁堡被切断的,我们不知道是谁保存了它,以及它是如何到达圣保罗修院的。但显然,虔诚的东正教基督徒,可能在圣人圈子里的某些人,也许能够贿赂一名守卫,反正也没人想要一只断手,对吧?所以他们能够把它拿走并保存下来,这就是我们拥有它的原因。所以,是的。请讲。我的意思是,他一定是个局外人。你是说他生前吗?我想,问题是,我的意思是,在他生前,他有追随者吗?我们知道他有一个由两三个门徒组成的核心圈子。这有点令人困惑,因为他们中有两个人同名。有两个阿纳斯塔修斯,对吧?有两个,一个叫阿纳斯塔修斯,阿纳斯塔修斯一世和阿纳斯塔修斯二世。听起来像苏斯博士之类的,但你能怎么办呢?

And there were others, and he also had very powerful patrons. The Bishop of Syzygous was a very close friend of his. Because of his career in the court, he had very powerful friends in the court with whom he maintained correspondence throughout his lifetime. I think by the time he reached his 80s, those men had died and he didn’t have a whole lot of people. People were afraid or whatever. One of these fellows was a eunuch who was very popular in the government at that point, a fellow by the name of John the Cubicularios, the keeper of the imperial cubicle, or the chancellor as they call him in some translations. So he was apparently a very popular figure. In North Africa he became very popular among the local clergy and then in Rome too. So he did have the support of people around him, and especially in the West, but not under the emperor. It would be dangerous to come out in support of him at a time like that. Patristic Nectar Publications presents The Life and Teaching of St. Maximus the Confessor by Father Maximus Simonopetridis. Lecture 3. An Introduction to the Works of St. Maximus Part 1. We’re with it from the liturgical holy week for the death of Christ. And on Mount Athos in particular, this is a very important period. The whole month of August, in fact, is given over to the Theotokos, and many of you will know that the peninsula of Athos is sort of dedicated to the Virgin. And you may be familiar with an ancient tradition which says that she’s the only woman to have set foot on the peninsula. And when she did and saw the beauty of the place, she prayed to Christ and asked that he would give the place over to those people seeking their salvation, and he did. So we have very elaborate traditions about the Virgin on the Holy Mountain, a large number of miraculous icons of the Theotokos on the Holy Mountain, the Aksyon Nesti, the Portaitisa, the Keeper of the Portal, there’s so many, the Tricherousa, the Virgin with the Three Hands, the Gorgoipikousa, she was quick to hear. I mean, many, many, many very famous and miracle-working icons and other traditions related to the Theotokos. And I’d like to begin tonight, in honor of these holy days, with a portion of a prayer to the Theotokos written by St. Gregory Palamas. I say a portion because the prayer in its entirety is about three or four pages long, and it would be too long to read. This is actually from his life. If you read the life of St. Gregory Palamas, 14th century saint and Archbishop of Thessalonica, you will find this prayer in there. Before he became a bishop, he lived for many years as a monk on Mount Athos in a number of different monasteries, Esphigmenou, Vatopedi. I think he was in Lavra for a while and in a couple of smaller skits. So he’s really an Athonite figure in addition to being a hierarch and he’s somebody held in tremendous regard on the Holy Mountain. So here’s just part of St. Gregory’s prayer to the Virgin. In my travels, accompany me. As I sail on the sea, sail with me. As I keep my vigils, give me strength. In my distress, comfort me. When I lose heart, console me. When I am sick, grant me healing. When I am treated unjustly, deliver me. When I am slandered, reveal my innocence. When I am in danger of death, quickly rescue me. When the demons attack me, repel them, so that all those who unjustly oppress and tyrannize me may know who I have as my protector. It’s a very classic way, a biblical way of praying. You entreat either the deity or the holy figure, help me for your glory, for your success, so that everybody will know that you are the one who did these wonderful things. So it’s sort of a strategy. By helping me, you will add sort of luster to your own name. I thought it was a very touching and a very beautiful series of as I or when I and imploring these responses. Anyway, tonight is our second sort of lecture or talk on St. Maximus the Confessor. Last night we said some general things about the church fathers and then focused on St. Maximus’s life and with some icons at the end. Tonight we move forward a little bit and we want to do a few things. I want to begin by very quickly going over his works and all of you should have a handout that has a list of his works. I think it’s important to know something about the life and it’s also helpful to have a sense of what this particular ecclesiastical writer wrote. That just helps throw more light onto the darkness we might have about this father of the church and his writings, to take a quick look at his writings. And then after that, I want to focus on one writing in particular, which has the name of the Ambigua. We’ll say more about that as we get to it. And I want to talk, so there are sort of three parts to that, once we get to the Ambigua. I want to say something about the textual tradition about the manuscripts, about the printed version. And about how it is we come to have the text. Most of us read the Church Fathers in English translations, but they weren’t written in English. There’s a Greek text behind that, and behind the printed Greek text there are handwritten manuscripts,

还有其他人,他也有非常有权势的赞助人。西吉乌斯主教是他非常亲密的朋友。因为他在宫廷的职业生涯,他在宫廷里有非常有权势的朋友,他一生都与他们保持通信。我想到了他80多岁的时候,那些人都已经去世了,他没有太多的人可以依靠。人们感到害怕或者其他原因。其中一个人是一名太监,当时在政府中非常受欢迎,名叫寝室侍从约翰,即皇室寝室的看守,在一些翻译中被称为大臣。所以他显然是一个非常受欢迎的人物。在北非,他在当地神职人员中变得非常受欢迎,然后在罗马也是如此。所以他确实有周围人的支持,特别是在西方,但在皇帝治下则不然。在那个时候公开支持他是很危险的。

教父甘露出版社推出,由马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父主讲的《认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导》。第三讲。圣马克西姆著作导论第一部分。

我们正处于礼仪上纪念基督受难的圣周。特别是在阿索斯山,这是一个非常重要的时期。事实上,整个八月都献给了诞神女,你们许多人会知道,阿索斯半岛可以说是献给圣母的。你们可能熟悉一个古老的传统,说她是唯一踏上过这个半岛的女性。当她踏上并看到这个地方的美丽时,她向基督祈祷,请求他将这个地方赐给那些寻求救赎的人,他照做了。因此,我们在圣山上有关于圣母的非常详尽的传统,圣山上有大量行奇迹的诞神女圣像,阿克西翁·埃斯提、波尔塔伊提萨、门户守护者,还有很多,三手圣母、速应圣母。我的意思是,许多许多非常著名且行奇迹的圣像以及其他与诞神女相关的传统。

今晚,为了纪念这些圣日,我想以圣帕拉马斯所写的一段向诞神女的祈祷作为开始。我说一段,是因为整篇祈祷文大约有三四页长,读起来太长了。这实际上出自他的生平。如果你阅读圣帕拉马斯的生平——他是14世纪的圣人和帖撒罗尼迦大主教——你会在其中找到这篇祈祷文。在成为主教之前,他在阿索斯山的几个不同修道院作为修士生活了许多年,埃斯菲格梅诺斯、瓦托佩迪。我想他也在大劳拉待过一段时间,还在几个较小的斯科提待过。因此,除了作为一名圣统长上,他真的是一个阿索斯山的人物,在圣山上受到极大的尊敬。以下是圣格列高利向圣母祈祷的一部分。

在我的旅途中,陪伴我。当我在海上航行时,与我同航。当我守夜时,赐我力量。在我的苦难中,安慰我。当我失去勇气时,抚慰我。当我生病时,赐我医治。当我受到不公正对待时,拯救我。当我被诽谤时,显明我的清白。当我面临死亡危险时,迅速解救我。当恶魔攻击我时,击退它们,好让所有不公正地压迫和欺压我的人知道谁是我的保护者。

这是一种非常经典的方式,一种符合圣经的祈祷方式。你恳求神明或圣者,为了你的荣耀,为了你的成功,帮助我,好让每个人都知道是你行了这些奇妙的事。所以这有点像一种策略。通过帮助我,你将为你自己的名字增添光彩。我认为这是一系列非常感人、非常美丽的“当我在……”或“当我在……”以及恳求这些回应的祈祷。不管怎样,今晚是我们关于认信者圣马克西姆的第二场讲座或谈话。

昨晚我们讲了一些关于教父的一般性内容,然后重点讲了圣马克西姆的生平,并在最后展示了一些圣像。今晚我们稍微往前推进,我们想做几件事。我想先非常快速地过一遍他的著作,你们所有人都应该有一份列有他著作清单的讲义。我认为了解一些关于他生平的事情很重要,了解这位特定的教会作家写了什么也很有帮助。这有助于照亮我们可能对这位教父及其著作所存在的黑暗,快速浏览一下他的著作。然后在那之后,我想特别关注一部名为《难题篇》的著作。等我们讲到那里时,我们会多说一些。我想谈谈,所以一旦我们讲到《难题篇》,大概有三个部分。我想谈谈关于手稿的文本传统,关于印刷版本。以及我们是如何得到这些文本的。我们大多数人阅读教父的英文译本,但它们并不是用英文写的。背后有希腊语文本,而在印刷的希腊语文本背后,有手写的手稿,

And I’d like to spend just a few minutes telling you something about how it is that we get the text that we have, because it’s interesting and it’s important to know. I’m going to try to keep that brief because there are other things to do. After that, I want to look at three sample texts from the Ambigua, just to give you a feel for some of the features of the work, which is a very lengthy work with very diverse kinds of elements in it. I will just touch on three things, and then this will occupy us for most of the evening. I want to look at two major texts, one dealing, generally speaking, with the doctrine of creation, and the second lengthy text dealing with scripture, because those are the two foci of our seminar this week. These will be very difficult. They will be very challenging. You might at one point start rolling your eyes and saying, what is all this mumbo-jumbo? I warned you about this last night, but we’ll see how it goes. It is difficult. It can be tedious. But even that somehow can be informing and enlightening, just how complex this is and maybe how much more work we need to do to be able to actually wrestle or tackle a text like this. So let’s turn now to our handouts. We also have a version to project onto the screen. What will appear on the screen is exactly what you have on the sheet, so we can begin. The one thing to know about St. Maximus, which is very helpful, is that he began to write later in life. When he first began to write, he was already a mature thinker, which means that there’s no question of development of his thought over time. There are other church fathers, for example, Gregory of Nyssa, who began to write at a much earlier age and wrote into old age, and there is a development in his thought over time. People who want to study St. Gregory of Nyssa seriously need to understand the order in which the works were written and to try and come to terms with the development of his thought over time. This is not the case with St. Maximus the Confessor, who, as I said, began to write as a mature thinker, and there’s actually no question of development across the works that we have, but rather tremendous consistency. It’s actually quite remarkable across his corpus. Some of the works are easy to date, other works are not so easy. The major principle that scholars or historians use to date the works is actually the Christological controversy that Saint Maximus became involved in around the 630s. So when he became drawn into this theological controversy, it basically consumed all of his time and all of his life, and it’s what ended his life as we described last night. So everything that he writes after the 630s bears the mark of the Christological controversy. He had no time to write anything else. So the general assumption is that the works that we have by St. Maximus that don’t make reference to the Christological controversy were most likely written prior to the 630s. This is a general way, sort of like a B.C., A.D. kind of distinction. And for the most part it holds. Now, having made that major distinction between the works that were written before 630 and those that were written after 630, of course, it becomes difficult, but for the most part, we have a fairly clear idea, and we’ll talk about that. Now, as I say at the top of the sheet, the works listed on the sheet that you have are grouped according to subject matter. That’s kind of conventional. But as I say here, there’s considerable overlap among the works. And within each group, the works are listed in the order in which they are believed to have been written. Let’s just go through them very quickly. I will say almost nothing about some, and linger over others a bit more, but we want to move through this with some rapidity. So one of his early works is this On Psalm 59, and it’s a short essay that deals with Psalm 59. It’s considered to be an early work. Some people think that it was written in response to the Persian invasions that we spoke about last night. Why? Because in Psalm 59 the psalmist prays to be delivered from war. So people have speculated that it might somehow reflect the context of military conquest, but of course we can’t be clear about that. Second work, Questions and Answers, contains 239 questions. It’s a lot of questions. Some of them are answered with a few sentences or a paragraph. Others receive answers of two or three or more pages. E.T., by the way, is not the extraterrestrial, but it means English translation. So the items on this sheet that are marked with that E.T. mean that there are English translations of these works available for anybody who wants to go further with us and read them. So 239 questions. People describe this as a mixed collection of questions and answers. Mixed. Why? Because some of the questions are biblical, related to difficult passages in scripture. And other questions are based on difficult passages in the writings of the church fathers. So it’s neither a strictly exegetical work, although it’s primarily exegetical, but it’s also sort of patristic. So, again, people wrote to St. Maximus and said, what does scripture mean when it says, or why, for example, here’s an example. If scripture says, blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God, why does scripture also say that no one has ever seen God? So a lot of these difficulties or questions bring together passages or verses from scripture that appear superficially to contradict each other. So what’s the answer to that question? And there are 239 of those. Yes? Can you define exegetical? Yeah, exegesis is a Greek word. It means to lead out. Ex and ago being the two constituent elements of that. And it’s kind of a learned and academic word. Exegesis is what biblical scholars do with the Bible.

我想花几分钟时间告诉你们一些关于我们如何获得现有文本的事情,因为这很有趣,也很重要。我会尽量简短,因为还有其他事情要做。之后,我想看看《歧义篇》(Ambigua)中的三个样本文本,只是为了让你们感受一下这部作品的一些特征,这是一部非常长的作品,其中包含非常多样化的元素。我只会触及三个内容,然后这将占据我们今晚大部分的时间。我想看两个主要文本,一个一般性地讨论受造物的教义,第二个长篇文本讨论圣经,因为那是我们本周研讨会的两个焦点。这些会非常困难。它们将非常具有挑战性。你们可能在某个时刻开始翻白眼,说,这都是些什么胡言乱语?我昨晚警告过你们这一点,但我们会看看进展如何。这很难。它可能很乏味。但即使是那样,某种程度上也能提供信息和启发,让我们知道这有多复杂,以及我们可能需要做多少额外的工作才能真正应对或处理这样的文本。所以现在让我们转向我们的讲义。我们还有一个版本可以投影到屏幕上。屏幕上显示的正是你们纸上的内容,所以我们可以开始了。关于圣马克西姆,有一件非常有帮助的事情需要知道,那就是他是在晚年才开始写作的。当他最初开始写作时,他已经是一个成熟的思想家,这意味着不存在他的思想随时间发展的问题。还有其他教父,例如尼撒的格列高利,他在更早的年龄就开始写作,一直写到晚年,他的思想随着时间的推移是有发展的。想要认真研究尼撒的圣格列高利的人需要了解这些作品的写作顺序,并试图接受他思想随时间发展的事实。认信者圣马克西姆的情况并非如此,正如我所说,他作为一个成熟的思想家开始写作,在我们拥有的作品中实际上不存在发展的问题,而是具有极大的一致性。在他整个著作中,这实际上相当引人注目。有些作品很容易确定日期,其他作品则不那么容易。学者或历史学家用来确定作品日期的主要原则实际上是圣马克西姆在630年代左右卷入的基督论争议。因此,当他被卷入这场神学争议时,这基本上消耗了他所有的时间和生命,正如我们昨晚所描述的,这也是他生命的结局。因此,他在630年代之后写的一切都带有基督论争议的印记。他没有时间写任何其他东西。因此,一般的假设是,圣马克西姆那些没有提及基督论争议的作品很可能是在630年代之前写的。这是一种一般的方法,有点像公元前、公元后的区分。在大多数情况下,这是成立的。现在,在630年之前写的作品和630年之后写的作品之间做出了这一主要区分之后,当然,这变得困难了,但在大多数情况下,我们有一个相当清晰的概念,我们将讨论这一点。现在,正如我在纸的顶部所说的,你们手上的纸上列出的作品是按主题分组的。这有点常规。但正如我在这里所说,这些作品之间有相当大的重叠。在每个组内,作品按被认为写作的顺序列出。让我们非常快速地过一遍。对于有些作品我几乎什么都不说,而在其他作品上多停留一会儿,但我们想快速地过完这些。所以他早期的作品之一是《论诗篇59》,这是一篇处理诗篇59的短文。它被认为是一部早期作品。有些人认为它是为了回应我们昨晚谈到的波斯入侵而写的。为什么?因为在诗篇59中,诗篇作者祈求从战争中获救。所以人们推测它可能在某种程度上反映了军事征服的背景,但当然我们对此并不清楚。第二部作品,《问答集》,包含239个问题。这是很多问题。其中一些用几句话或一段话来回答。其他的则得到两三页或更多页的答案。顺便说一句,E.T.不是指外星人,而是指英文翻译。所以这张纸上标有E.T.的项目意味着这些作品有英文翻译可供任何想和我们进一步阅读的人使用。所以是239个问题。人们将其描述为问答的混合集。混合的。为什么?因为有些问题是关于圣经的,与圣经中的难懂段落有关。而其他问题则基于教父著作中的难懂段落。所以它不是一部严格意义上的释经作品,尽管它主要是释经的,但它也带有教父学的性质。所以,同样地,人们写信给圣马克西姆说,当圣经说……时是什么意思,或者为什么,例如,这里有个例子。如果圣经说,清心的人有福了,因为他们必得见上帝,为什么圣经又说从来没有人见过上帝?所以很多这样的难题或问题将圣经中表面上看起来相互矛盾的段落或经文结合在一起。那么这个问题的答案是什么?有239个这样的问题。是的?你能定义一下释经吗?是的,释经是一个希腊词。它的意思是引出。Ex和ago是它的两个构成元素。这是一个有点学术性的词。释经是圣经学者对圣经所做的工作。

I’m working on an exegesis of the Gospel of John. It means nothing more than an explanation or a commentary of the Gospel. Moving on, the next text is another exegetical work, a work of biblical commentary, a work of biblical interpretation. That is a commentary on the Lord’s Prayer. This is available in an English translation in the Philokalia. It was one of the works by St. Maximus included in the Philokalia. It’s a short treatise, but it’s very dense and has a lot of great ideas in it. The one that I took from it and never forgot is St. Maximus’ idea that the Lord’s Prayer is actually a Trinitarian prayer. We take it as the prayer of the Lord to God the Father, and maybe we don’t think more about it, but he says it’s addressed to God the Father. From Christ, where’s the Holy Spirit? He says the Holy Spirit is in the phrase, Thy kingdom come. El feto y vasiliasu. What is the kingdom of God? The kingdom of God is the Holy Spirit. The kingdom of God isn’t a mythical kingdom or a region with castles and palaces with flags flying from the turrets or anything like that. The kingdom of God is the Holy Spirit. And that el feto, Thy kingdom come. That el feto, that come, is very much the liturgical language that we use when we address the Holy Spirit. In the prayer, Heavenly King, Comforter, what do we say in there at one point? Come, right? El fe, right? Come and abide in us. That is actually an epiklisis. Are you familiar with this Greek word? An epiklisis is the technical liturgical word for the invocation of the Holy Spirit. This is primarily known to us from the Divine Liturgy, when the bread and the wine, the offering of the community, the gifts of the community are placed on the altar, then the Eucharistic prayer is read. And at one point, one component in the Eucharistic prayer is the so-called epiklisis, the invocation in which the congregation through the priest asks God to send his Holy Spirit upon these gifts, etc., etc. That’s something peculiar to the Eastern Liturgies; it’s not ever been a traditional part of the Roman Catholic Mass, although they’ve actually added an Epiclesis after Vatican II. We’re being drawn away now into a parenthesis here, so we’ll come back. But the idea here is that thy kingdom come. That is an invocation of the Holy Spirit. And when we read the prayer, Heavenly King, when we get to that part where we say, come and dwell in us, those are not just casual words of a prayer. We are actually invoking the Holy Spirit to come and abide and to dwell in us. That’s an epikletic moment. That’s an epiklesis, not over the Eucharistic gifts, but over ourselves. It’s a very sacred, very solemn moment, and the same language appears in the Lord’s Prayer. Thy kingdom come, el feto y vasiliasu. That’s the biblical and liturgical language for the invocation of the Holy Spirit. So, to me, it was wonderful to be told, or to read, or to learn, that the Lord’s Prayer actually has a Trinitarian aspect, and it’s not simply a prayer to God the Father. All right, moving along. The questions to Thalassius. This is actually, arguably, the most important work by St. Maximus the Confessor. I’ve got some translations that I’ve made that I’m working on right now that I’ll share with you over the next couple of nights. Actually, on the last night, we’ll go into that in much more detail. But it’s a very large work. It’s a massive work. It contains 65 questions. These are all questions based on difficult passages in scripture. We’ll look at these, as I said, soon, so we won’t say too much about it. Some of the answers are short, a paragraph, a page, two pages. Some of them are 10, 20, 30, 40 pages. They’re actually mini monographs or small essays or treatises in their own right. This Thalassius was an abbot of a monastery in North Africa. He’s sometimes called Thalassius the Libyan because his monastery was in Libya. He was a very close friend of St. Maximus when St. Maximus was living in North Africa. And he wrote to St. Maximus with a list of these 65 difficult questions from scripture. And Maximus wrote back, and this is the work that we have. After this is another exegetical work, the questions to Theopemptos, a very short work. Three questions, one on the unjust judge in the Gospel of Luke, another one on being struck on the right cheek, and then on the famous phrase that the Lord utters to Mary Magdalene, the touch me not. These are the three exegetical questions that are asked. Then we have the oddly titled opusculum. The Latin word opus means work, plural opera. Opera, everybody knows that word opera, simply from the Latin word for a work. A magnum opus, that’s a phrase that we have in our language. So, opuscula, opusculum simply means a little work. So, it’s just a fancy Latin title for a small work. This is number six, and this deals with Matthew 26:39, the Lord’s agony in Gethsemane. And this becomes, this text actually moves to the center of the Christological controversy because it appears to be the case that Christ is actually afraid and was accused all the way back in the second century by pagans of acting in a cowardly manner in the face of death. Because the Romans, who had these stoic notions, were able to say that our sages, our wise men, are not afraid of death. They’re not cowardly.

我正在对《约翰福音》进行释经。这无非是对福音书的解释或注释。继续往下,下一个文本是另一部释经作品,一部圣经注释作品,一部圣经解释作品。那是一篇关于主祷文的注释。这篇作品在《爱神集》中有英文译本。它是圣马克西姆收录在《爱神集》中的作品之一。这是一篇简短的论述,但内容非常密集,包含许多伟大的思想。我从中汲取并从未忘记的一点是圣马克西姆的观点,即主祷文实际上是一个三位一体的祈祷。我们将其视为主向父神的祈祷,也许我们没有想得更多,但他说这是向父神发出的。从基督来看,圣灵在哪里?他说圣灵就在“愿你的国降临”这句话中。El feto y vasiliasu(愿你的国降临)。什么是上帝的国?上帝的国就是圣灵。上帝的国不是一个神话般的王国,也不是一个有着城堡和宫殿、塔楼上飘扬着旗帜的地区或类似的东西。上帝的国就是圣灵。而那个 el feto(愿你的国降临),那个“降临”,正是我们在向圣灵祈求时使用的礼仪语言。在“天上的君王,保惠师”这篇祈祷文中,我们在某处是怎么说的?“降临”,对吧?El fe,对吧?“降临并住在我们里面”。这实际上是一个呼求圣灵。你熟悉这个希腊词吗?呼求圣灵是祈求圣灵降临的专门礼仪用语。我们主要从圣礼仪中了解到这一点,当面包和葡萄酒,即会众的奉献,会众的礼物被放在祭坛上时,就会诵读圣体圣事祈祷文。在某个时刻,圣体圣事祈祷文中的一个组成部分就是所谓的呼求圣灵,即会众通过神父祈求上帝将他的圣灵降临在这些礼物上,等等。这是东方礼仪所特有的;它从来不是罗马天主教弥撒的传统组成部分,尽管他们在梵蒂冈第二届大公会议后实际上增加了一个呼求圣灵的环节。我们现在被带偏到一个括号里了,所以我们还是回到正题。但这里的观点是“愿你的国降临”。那是对圣灵的呼求。当我们诵读“天上的君王”这篇祈祷文,当我们读到“降临并住在我们里面”那部分时,那些不仅仅是祈祷中随口的言辞。我们实际上是在呼求圣灵降临、居住并住在我们里面。那是一个呼求圣灵的时刻。那是一个呼求圣灵,不是在圣体圣事的礼物之上,而是在我们自己之上。这是一个非常神圣、非常庄严的时刻,同样的语言也出现在主祷文中。“愿你的国降临”,el feto y vasiliasu。那是呼求圣灵的圣经和礼仪语言。所以,对我来说,被告知,或读到,或了解到主祷文实际上具有三位一体的层面,而不仅仅是向父神的祈祷,这真是太棒了。

好了,继续往下。《致撒拉修的问题》。这可以说是认信者圣马克西姆最重要的作品。我有一些正在做的翻译,在接下来的几个晚上我会和你们分享。实际上,在最后一个晚上,我们会更详细地探讨它。但这是一部非常庞大的作品。这是一部巨著。它包含65个问题。这些都是基于圣经中难懂段落的问题。正如我所说,我们很快就会看到这些,所以我们就不多说了。有些答案很短,一段,一页,两页。有些有10、20、30、40页。它们本身实际上就是微型专著或小论文或论述。这位撒拉修是北非一座修院的院长。他有时被称为利比亚的撒拉修,因为他的修院在利比亚。当圣马克西姆住在北非时,他是圣马克西姆非常亲密的朋友。他写信给圣马克西姆,列出了这65个来自圣经的难题。马克西姆回信了,这就是我们拥有的这部作品。

在这之后是另一部释经作品,《致提奥佩姆普托斯的问题》,一部非常简短的作品。三个问题,一个是关于《路加福音》中不义的官,另一个是关于被打了右脸,然后是主对抹大拉的马利亚说的那句名言,“不要摸我”。这就是提出的三个释经问题。然后我们有一部标题奇特的小品文。拉丁词 opus 意思是作品,复数是 opera。Opera,大家都知道 opera 这个词,它仅仅来自拉丁语中表示“作品”的词。Magnum opus,这是我们语言中的一个短语。所以,opuscula,opusculum 仅仅意味着一部小作品。所以,它只是一个小作品的华丽拉丁语标题。这是第六部,涉及《马太福音》26章39节,主在客西马尼园的痛苦。这段文本实际上成为了基督论争议的中心,因为看起来基督实际上是在害怕,并且在二世纪时就被异教徒指责在面对死亡时表现得懦弱。因为有着这些斯多葛观念的罗马人可以说,我们的圣贤,我们的智者,是不怕死的。他们并不懦弱。

Your Savior, this fellow Jesus who you say was divine, doesn’t even appear to have the qualities of our Stoic sages who were stoic in the face of death. So this difficult text comes up again during the time of the Christological controversy when there was discussion about two wills because the Lord says, “Not my will, but thy will be done.” So there are actually two wills there. We’re not going to say too much more about that right now, but it might come up at a later point. Then after this, we have these sort of exegetical scolia. Scolius simply means an annotation, like a comment. During the later Byzantine period, the compilers of anthologies went through the works of Maximus and removed passages that spoke about scriptural texts, and they used them to create other kinds of works. Let’s move on to the second category, spiritual and ascetical works. The first one is On the Ascetical Life. It’s another early work. We have an English translation of that, and it’s sort of in a dialogue format between an elder and a disciple asking different theological and ascetical and monastic kinds of questions. We believe it was written while Maximus was still in Asia Minor before he was expelled by the Persians. Why? Because there are lots of quotations from the writings of the church fathers in this work, which means he had access to a library, which he did not have when he was in North Africa. He had fewer books, and he complains about this in some of his letters. And he apologizes, “Well, I would add more patristic footnotes here, but I don’t have the sources ready to hand.” So because this work has lots of citations from the church fathers, we conclude that it was written when he had access to those libraries in Asia Minor. The next work here is the Chapters on Love, and many people say this is the most popular work by Saint Maximus, or it’s the most beloved work by Saint Maximus, which I think is odd because it’s actually very difficult. It’s a collection of 400—they call them centuries, which is confusing to people—400 aphorisms, 400 sort of short sayings. Now, if I gave you 400 short sayings about the virtues, about love, it’s difficult to try to find a pattern in the 400 aphorisms or how these things are connected. And they’re in four groups of 100 each, so they’re called four centuries, centuries because there are 100 in each collection. And you can work very hard to try and extract the underlying structure or pattern, but it’s not always very clear. But it is a great work. It’s pretty much worth the effort to read through, even though it’s not meant to be read all at once. It’s a monastic genre written for monks who are meant to read maybe one aphorism a day and kind of ruminate on that throughout the rest of the day. People pick it up, they try to read page after page after page in one sitting. It wasn’t meant to be read that way. It was meant to be slowly digested over time. But it is a great work, and there are a lot of… one of the things he says, for example, it’s all about love, about divine love, and in one place he says, it’s one of the many takeaway lines, he says that, what is love? Love is voluntary blindness, which I take to mean sort of overlooking the faults of others. If you love, if you have love, if you love others, you choose not to see certain things. Or you overlook them or you look past them. And again, that’s something that requires discernment. Moving on, in this same category, we have letters, many letters written by St. Maximus, and some of the letters deal with spiritual themes such as Letter 2, which is about love. You have an English translation of that and some of the others. Moving on to the liturgical works, a very famous and a very important work by Maximus here is the Mystagogy, or the Mystagogia, which is a commentary on the Divine Liturgy. It’s available in English translation, and again it’s very much worth reading. It’s very complex in places, but in other places not so difficult. In this same work, St. Maximus also offers a spiritual interpretation, or an allegorical interpretation, if you will, of the church building. Narthex, nave, and sanctuary, sort of the three-fold division of the church building. Not what is the meaning, because for Maximus there are always multiple meanings. What are the various meanings of the church and its threefold distinction? I won’t say more, maybe I’ll leave it sort of to tantalize you to go and find the work and read it on your own. Interestingly enough, he doesn’t comment on what we call the anaphora, or the Eucharistic prayer. He completely ignores that, and that’s been a traditional puzzle for historians. And it could simply be the case that as a monk, as a non-ordained person of the church, he did not stand at the altar. He did not read that Eucharistic prayer, and perhaps he felt it was inappropriate for him to comment on it, or it could also be this is still the 6th century, and the mysteries of the Church are still shrouded in mystery, sort of the disciplina arcanae, where the catechumens would be dismissed, and you didn’t broadcast the mysteries. Now we have live streaming of our divine liturgies on the Internet, and years ago, when the Catholics first started to broadcast their masses on television, some theologians stepped forward and said, wait a minute now. We’ve had a long tradition of guarding the mysteries, of withholding the mysteries, of not making them available. It’s one thing to not make them available even to catechumens, and now we’re putting them on television.

你们的救主,这个你们说具有神性的耶稣,似乎甚至不具备我们那些面对死亡依然坚忍的斯多葛派智者的品质。因此,这段难懂的经文在基督论争议时期再次出现,当时人们讨论两个意志,因为主说:“不要照我的意思,只要照你的意思。”所以那里实际上有两个意志。我们现在不多说这个,但稍后可能会再提到。然后在这之后,我们有这些释经注释。Scolius 仅仅意味着注释,就像评论一样。在后来的拜占庭时期,文集的编纂者翻阅了马克西姆的著作,删除了谈论圣经经文的段落,并用它们来创作其他类型的作品。让我们进入第二类,属灵和克修著作。第一本是《论克修生活》。这是另一部早期作品。我们有它的英文译本,它采用一种对话形式,在一位长老和一位门徒之间,提出各种神学、克修和修道方面的问题。我们相信它是在马克西姆被波斯人驱逐之前,仍在小亚细亚时写成的。为什么?因为这部作品中有大量引用教父著作的内容,这意味着他可以使用图书馆,而他在北非时并没有。他的书很少,他在一些信中抱怨过这一点。他道歉说:“好吧,我本想在这里添加更多教父的脚注,但我手头没有现成的资料。”因此,由于这部作品有很多教父的引文,我们得出结论,它是在他可以使用小亚细亚那些图书馆时写成的。这里的下一部作品是《论爱百章》,许多人说这是圣马克西姆最受欢迎的作品,或者说是最受喜爱的作品,我觉得这很奇怪,因为它其实非常难懂。它收集了400条——他们称之为“百章”,这让人感到困惑——400条格言,400种简短的箴言。现在,如果我给你400条关于美德、关于仁爱的简短箴言,很难在400条格言中找到模式,或者找出这些东西是如何联系在一起的。它们分为四组,每组100条,所以被称为四个“百章”,之所以叫百章是因为每集有100条。你可以非常努力地尝试提取其潜在的结构或模式,但这并不总是很清楚。但它是一部伟大的作品。即使它不是为一次性读完而写的,它也非常值得花精力通读。这是一种修道体裁,是为修士写的,他们可能每天读一条格言,并在一天剩下的时间里反复咀嚼。人们拿起它,试图一口气读一页又一页。它不是用来那样读的。它是为了随着时间的推移慢慢消化而写的。但它确实是一部伟大的作品,有很多……例如,他说的其中一件事,全是关于仁爱,关于神圣之爱,在一个地方他说,这是许多值得记住的句子之一,他说,什么是仁爱?仁爱是自愿的盲目,我将其理解为某种忽视他人过错的意思。如果你爱,如果你有仁爱,如果你爱别人,你会选择不看某些事情。或者你忽视它们,或者你看透它们。同样,这需要分辨。继续,在同一类别中,我们有书信,许多由圣马克西姆写的书信,其中一些书信涉及属灵主题,如第二封信,是关于仁爱的。你有它的英文译本以及其他一些书信的译本。继续看礼仪著作,马克西姆在这里有一部非常著名且非常重要的作品,即《密仪》,它是对圣礼仪的注释。它有英文译本,同样非常值得一读。它在某些地方非常复杂,但在其他地方并不那么难。在同一部作品中,圣马克西姆还提供了对教堂建筑的属灵解释,或者如果你愿意的话,可以说是寓意解释。门廊、中殿和至圣所,算是教堂建筑的三重划分。不是问它的意义是什么,因为对马克西姆来说总是有多重意义。教会及其三重划分的各种意义是什么?我就不多说了,也许我会留点悬念,让你自己去找到这部作品并阅读它。有趣的是,他没有对我们所谓的圣祭礼仪,或圣体圣事祈祷发表评论。他完全忽略了这一点,这对历史学家来说一直是一个传统的谜题。这可能仅仅是因为作为一名修士,作为教会中未受按立的人,他没有站在祭坛前。他没有诵读那段圣体圣事祈祷,也许他觉得对此发表评论是不合适的,或者也可能是因为这仍然是6世纪,教会的奥迹仍然笼罩在神秘之中,有点像秘密纪律,望教者会被遣散,你不会公开广播这些奥迹。现在我们在互联网上直播我们的圣礼仪,而多年前,当天主教徒首次开始在电视上广播他们的弥撒时,一些神学家站出来说,等一下。我们有着守护奥迹、保留奥迹、不公开它们的悠久传统。不对望教者公开是一回事,而现在我们却把它们放在电视上。

And there are obviously things to be gained by broadcasting the liturgy in this manner, but there’s also something that’s lost, I think, so it’s something we should be concerned about. Personally, I think because technology makes it so easy for us to record and to film and to copy everything, we do it now automatically. Sacraments, communion, someone, some poor chap’s going up to receive communion, there’s somebody there with a camera. Is this necessary? Anyway, that’s sort of personal kinds of things. Okay, where was I here? Oh yeah, the Mystagogy. And then there’s another very short work called Explanation of the Date of Pascha. Very, very complicated sort of astronomical work dealing with arcane issues of the calendar. And I had to look up dozens of Greek words here because I had never seen them before. A lot of them are Latin words that came into Greek and intercalated days depending on leap years and I couldn’t deal with it. Then our fourth category is these doctrinal and philosophical works. The first two items on the list are the Ambiguity of John and the Ambiguity of Thomas. We’ll talk more about those in a few minutes, so we’ll just leave them aside for now. Then we have more chapters, Centuries on Theology and the Incarnation, and the 15 chapters. These are all available in the Philokalia, so they’re there for you to read. Then we have Scholia. We said these are sort of notes or annotations on Dionysius the Areopagite. St. Maximus the Confessor was a devoted reader of the writings of St. Dionysius the Areopagite and actually wrote comments on the more difficult passages in that corpus, annotations or scholia as they’re called. Then we have a very long list, 28 short theological and polemical works. These all deal with the monophysite or monothelite problem. Which is to say that they deal with the Christological controversy that St. Maximus was drawn into after the 630s. Nearly all of them are short essays focusing on particular themes. And even though there are 28 of them, they really constitute a kind of an integrated whole because they do deal with a single theme, namely the doctrine of Christ or the Church’s teaching on the person of Christ in his two natures and two wills. We have some English translations for these. The most important is the last one, 28, the dispute with Pyrrhus. This is a great story here. Pyrrhus was a patriarch of Constantinople who was a heretic. He had adopted the monothelite heresy, but had political problems with the empress. They fought over different issues, and even though she was a monothelite and the patriarch was a monothelite, they still fought over other matters, and she kicked him out of Constantinople, and he made his way to Carthage, which was a bastion of Chalcedonian Christians. And what the church in Carthage did was to stage a public dialogue, a public debate, between Maximus, the simple monk, and this former patriarch of Constantinople. And the two of them debate Chalcedonian versus non-Chalcedonian. The two of them debate the church’s traditional teaching about Christ versus this heretical teaching that had been espoused by the patriarch. And the whole debate is recorded in this work. And of course Maximus wins the patriarch over to the orthodox view. It’s not a fantasy or a fiction. It happened in fact, because we have other sources that support that. So that’s available in English translation and it’s very much worth reading because it’s a great work. It’s not long and it really kind of gets to the heart of some of the questions here. Then we have a number of letters here. Letters 12, 15, and 19. These are letters, but they are considered to be Christological documents of the highest importance. You can take them as important statements of Orthodox Christology, even though they’re only written in the form of letters. They are very important theological treatises. Then we have other documents like the record of the trial. When Maximus was put on trial in Constantinople in 655, we actually have a record of the proceedings. And, of course, in addition to the political charges that were brought forward, they also discussed theological matters including the Christological ones of course, the same is true with the others. Then we have a number of letters. I won’t read anything, you’ve got that on the handout. So that’s just a very quick overview of the works of Saint Maximus the Confessor. And now you have a sort of a global look at what he wrote. And I think it’s always, for me it’s always helpful, we’re talking about a writer, what exactly did he write? If it’s Shakespeare, how many plays did Shakespeare write? Or if it’s Henry James, how many novels did he write? It just helps to know. Is it two, three, ten, 25? What are we talking about here? So we have just an overview here of his writings, and I’ve indicated which ones are available in translation. Those of you with time and the interest and the energy are encouraged to pursue these things further. Now we shift gears a little bit and start to move in the direction of this one work called the Ambigua. And before we get into the text proper, I want to say a few words, as I said, about the tradition of the text, as we call it, and how texts come to be texts. So most of us read the works of the Church Fathers in English translations, and we probably don’t think much about the original Greek text. We assume that somewhere there’s a Greek text that our translation is based on and probably don’t think much about that. Well, where did the Greek text come from? Where did the Greek text come from? And the Greek text comes from the hands of people that we call textual editors, people who work with manuscripts, because before the invention of printing in the mid-15th century, all books before that were written by hand.

显然,以这种方式广播礼仪是有好处的,但我认为也会失去一些东西,所以这是我们应该关注的问题。就我个人而言,我认为因为技术让我们很容易记录、拍摄和复制一切,我们现在做这些事都是自动的了。圣事,圣体圣事,某个人,某个可怜的家伙走上前去领受圣体圣事,旁边就有人拿着摄像机。这有必要吗?不管怎样,那是些个人的事情。好吧,我刚才说到哪了?哦对,密仪。然后还有另一部非常简短的著作,叫做《帕斯哈日期的解释》。这是一部非常非常复杂的天文学著作,处理历法中晦涩的问题。我在这里不得不查阅几十个希腊词,因为我以前从未见过它们。其中很多是进入希腊语的拉丁词,以及根据闰年插入的日子,我实在应付不过来。然后我们的第四类是这些教义和哲学著作。名单上的前两项是《约翰疑难》和《多马疑难》。我们几分钟后会更多地讨论这些,所以现在先放一边。然后我们有更多的章节,《论神学与道成肉身百章》,以及15章。这些在《爱神集》中都有,所以你们可以去读。然后我们有注疏。我们说过这些是对狄奥尼修斯的某种笔记或注释。认信者圣马克西姆是狄奥尼修斯著作的忠实读者,实际上他对该文集中较难理解的段落写了评论,即所谓的注释或注疏。然后我们有一份很长的清单,28篇简短的神学和论战著作。这些全都涉及一性论或一志论问题。也就是说,它们涉及认信者圣马克西姆在630年代之后被卷入的基督论争议。它们几乎都是聚焦于特定主题的短文。尽管有28篇,但它们实际上构成了一个整体,因为它们确实在处理一个单一的主题,即基督的教义,或教会关于基督位格及其二性二志的教导。我们有一些英文译本。最重要的是最后一篇,第28篇,与皮尔胡的辩论。这里有一个很棒的故事。皮尔胡是君士坦丁堡的一位牧首,他是一个异端。他采纳了一志论异端,但与皇后有政治上的问题。他们在不同的问题上发生争执,尽管她是一志论者,牧首也是一志论者,他们仍然在其他事情上争吵,她把他赶出了君士坦丁堡,他一路前往迦太基,那里是迦克墩基督徒的堡垒。迦太基教会所做的是安排了一场公开对话,一场公开辩论,在简单的修士马克西姆和这位前君士坦丁堡牧首之间进行。两人辩论迦克墩派与非迦克墩派。两人辩论教会关于基督的传统教导与牧首所支持的异端教导。整个辩论都记录在这部著作中。当然,马克西姆使牧首转向了东正教的观点。这不是幻想或虚构。它确实发生了,因为我们有其他来源支持这一点。所以它有英文译本,非常值得一读,因为它是一部伟大的著作。它不长,而且确实触及了这里一些问题的核心。然后我们这里有一些书信。第12、15和19封信。这些是书信,但它们被认为是极其重要的基督论文献。你可以把它们当作东正教基督论的重要声明,即使它们只是以书信的形式写成。它们是非常重要的神学论文。然后我们有其他文献,比如审判记录。当马克西姆在655年在君士坦丁堡受审时,我们实际上有一份诉讼程序的记录。当然,除了提出的政治指控外,他们还讨论了神学问题,包括基督论问题,其他文献也是如此。然后我们有一些书信。我不会读任何内容,你们在讲义上都有。所以这只是对认信者圣马克西姆著作的一个非常快速的概述。现在你们对他写了什么有了一个全局的了解。我认为这总是,对我来说总是有帮助的,我们在谈论一位作家时,他到底写了什么?如果是莎士比亚,莎士比亚写了多少部戏剧?或者如果是亨利·詹姆斯,他写了多少部小说?知道这些总是有帮助的。是两部、三部、十部、25部?我们在谈论什么?所以这里只是他著作的概述,我已经指出了哪些有译本。鼓励那些有时间、有兴趣和有精力的人进一步研究这些东西。现在我们稍微转换一下话题,开始转向一部叫做《疑难》的著作。在进入正文之前,我想说几句,正如我所说,关于文本的传统,我们这么称呼它,以及文本是如何成为文本的。所以我们大多数人读教父的著作都是读英文译本,我们可能不太考虑原始的希腊文本。我们假设在某个地方有一个希腊文本是我们翻译的基础,并且可能不太考虑这个。那么,希腊文本是从哪里来的呢?希腊文本是从哪里来的?希腊文本来自我们称之为文本编辑者的人之手,也就是那些与手稿打交道的人,因为在15世纪中期印刷术发明之前,之前所有的书都是手写的。

And any copies of any books that you had had to be copied from an exemplar or an original. Do I need to bring this microphone with me? Again, this is more of scholarly or philological interest, but if you’re teaching a seminar on a church father, this is an aspect of the discipline in a sense that’s good to know about. So people who are called text scholars, in other words, let’s back up and be simple. I understand that there’s a work by St. Maximus the Confessor, maybe it’s called the Ambigua. We don’t have a printed version of it. So what I have to do as a text editor is to go out and round up all of the manuscripts, all of the handwritten copies that contain that work. It could be 10, it could be 20, it could be 100. Think about the New Testament too. Those of you who have seen critical editions of the Greek New Testament will see that there’s an apparatus at the bottom of the text. There are hundreds and hundreds of copies, Greek copies, of the Gospel of Mark. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of copies of the Gospel of Matthew, and so on. What text editors do is to collect all of those copies and then collate them. And to collate them means you collect all of the text and then go through them word by word, sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph, page by page. And every time you spot a difference, it could be a different tense of a verb, there could be a missing word, there could be an additional word. You have to make a decision as an editor. What do I do? Which is the correct reading? Or maybe these two manuscripts agree and these two disagree with them and agree with each other. How do I decide between these four? They’re called witnesses, actually. How do I decide between the four witnesses which two are telling the truth? So it takes skill and lots of other things. The Greek letter A, the alpha at the top here, indicates the archetype, which in most cases is lost. We do not have any handwritten works by Saint Maximus that came directly from his hand. Follow me? All the copies that we have are copies of a lost original. So the text editor has to round up the manuscripts, has to collate them all, and then, I won’t get into this, but it’s much more complicated, because you’ve got to figure out the relationship between the manuscripts. Because it could be that this manuscript was actually copied from this one, but it also contains elements from this manuscript, or it might come from somewhere else. This is called a stemma, sort of like the branch of the whole history of the text, because the later text had to have been copied from the earlier texts. And again, the task of the textual editor is to try to bring all of this together. It’s a very complicated, very tedious, very painstaking work, partly because to find these manuscripts are not all in one place. The world’s largest collection of Byzantine manuscripts is where? Take a guess. No, that’s the number three place. The number one place is Rome. Where in Rome? The Vatican Library. Huge library. Has the world’s largest collection of Byzantine manuscripts. Many obtained illegally and many others not. The world’s second largest collection of Greek manuscripts is… St. Catherine’s Monastery on Sinai. Number three is Mount Athos. And then there are other very important collections of Greek manuscripts in places like the National Library of Paris, the National Library of Athens, the Bodleian Museum at Oxford, the British Library, the Prado Museum in Spain, the Patriarchal Library at Moscow. So it could be the case that my 20 manuscripts are in 15 different libraries. So I’ve either got to go to these places or order photocopies. It’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of work. So we really need to be grateful to the scholars who round up the manuscripts and collate them all. But sometimes they make mistakes too, which is why they have to be responsible. They’ve got to give you the variant readings. Because maybe another scholar will say, no, I disagree with your interpretation. These two were wrong. These two had it right. That’s just a very brief overview as a prelude. I’m going to close this now. As a prelude to what I want to show you here. So can we go to the… I think it’s slideshow number two. Okay, can we just advance to the next slide? All right, so let’s get my pointer. So when we talk about… oh, I’ll go back. The other direction, yeah. So when we talk about this work called The Ambigua, and I’ll say more about the title and what that means in a minute, we’re actually talking about two works. The Ambigua to John. John was the Metropolitan Bishop of Syzygous where Maximus was a monk. That was written around 630 and sometimes that’s referred to as the earlier Ambigua. This is a very lengthy work containing over 65 questions to which Maximus gives very lengthy answers, and the longest answer is 50 pages, so it’s a very lengthy complex collection. We’ll say more about it. And then a few years later, he received a letter from somebody called Thomas, who had only about four or five questions. So this is a much shorter work. This is about 10 pages, this is about 200 pages, something like that. And at a later point in his career, Maximus brought the two collections of Ambigua together, which is how it came to be known as a kind of a collective work. But it is actually two separate works, and it’s confusing because the earlier Ambigua are actually the second part of the work now. So people start to talk about it in the… Ambiguity 1, Ambiguity 2, the earlier, the later. It gets a little confusing. It’s really not that confusing. So we have five chapters or sections from the Ambiguity of Thomas. Then we have the remaining through 71 from the Ambiguity of John. So we’ll say more about this in a minute, but right now we want to focus on how the work came together as a text. So let’s go to the next slide.

你所拥有的任何书籍的任何副本,都必须从范本或原件复制而来。我需要带着这个麦克风吗?再说一遍,这更多是出于学术或文献学的兴趣,但如果你在教一门关于教父的研讨课,从某种意义上说,这是该学科中一个值得了解的方面。所以那些被称为文本学者的人,换句话说,让我们退一步简单来说。我知道有一部认信者圣马克西姆的著作,也许叫《疑难篇》。我们没有它的印刷版。因此,作为文本编辑,我必须去收集所有包含该作品的手稿,所有的手抄副本。可能是10份,可能是20份,也可能是100份。也想想新约。你们中见过希腊文新约批判版的人会看到,文本底部有一个注释栏。有数以百计的《马可福音》希腊文副本。有数以百计的《马太福音》副本,等等。文本编辑所做的是收集所有这些副本,然后对它们进行校勘。校勘的意思是你收集所有的文本,然后逐字、逐句、逐段、逐页地检查它们。每当你发现一个差异,可能是动词时态不同,可能漏掉了一个词,也可能多出了一个词。作为编辑,你必须做出决定。我该怎么办?哪个才是正确的读法?或者也许这两份手稿一致,而那两份手稿与它们不一致,但彼此一致。我如何在这四者之间做出决定?实际上,它们被称为见证。我如何在这四个见证中决定哪两个说的是真话?所以这需要技巧和许多其他东西。这里的希腊字母A,即顶部的阿尔法,表示原型,在大多数情况下,原型已经丢失。我们没有认信者圣马克西姆直接出自他亲笔的任何手写作品。明白我的意思吗?我们拥有的所有副本都是已丢失原件的副本。所以文本编辑必须收集手稿,必须对它们全部进行校勘,然后,我不会深入探讨这个,但这要复杂得多,因为你必须弄清楚手稿之间的关系。因为可能这份手稿实际上是从这一份抄来的,但它也包含了这份手稿的元素,或者它可能来自其他地方。这被称为谱系,有点像整个文本历史的分支,因为后来的文本必然是从早期的文本抄写而来的。再说一遍,文本编辑的任务是试图将所有这些整合在一起。这是一项非常复杂、非常乏味、非常艰苦的工作,部分原因是寻找这些手稿时,它们并不都在同一个地方。世界上最大的拜占庭手稿收藏在哪里?猜猜看。不,那是第三名的地方。第一名是罗马。在罗马的哪里?梵蒂冈图书馆。巨大的图书馆。拥有世界上最大的拜占庭手稿收藏。许多是非法获取的,许多则不是。世界第二大希腊手稿收藏是……西奈的圣凯瑟琳修道院。第三名是阿索斯山。然后在其他地方也有非常重要的希腊手稿收藏,比如巴黎国家图书馆、雅典国家图书馆、牛津大学博德利图书馆、大英图书馆、西班牙普拉多博物馆、莫斯科牧首图书馆。所以可能我的20份手稿分布在15个不同的图书馆里。所以我必须去这些地方,或者订购影印件。这是大量的工作。大量的工作。所以我们真的需要感谢那些收集手稿并对它们进行校勘的学者。但有时他们也会犯错,这就是为什么他们必须负责任。他们必须给你提供异文读法。因为也许另一位学者会说,不,我不同意你的解释。这两个错了。那两个是对的。这只是一个非常简短的概述作为前奏。我现在要关闭这个了。作为我想在这里向你们展示的内容的前奏。那么我们能去……我想这是第二张幻灯片。好的,我们能直接前进到下一张幻灯片吗?好的,让我拿一下我的指示笔。那么当我们谈论……哦,我要往回翻。另一个方向,是的。所以当我们谈论这部名为《疑难篇》的作品时,我稍后会详细说明这个标题及其含义,我们实际上是在谈论两部作品。《致约翰的疑难篇》。约翰是西兹古斯的都主教,马克西姆曾在那里做修士。这部作品写于630年左右,有时被称为早期的《疑难篇》。这是一部非常长的作品,包含超过65个问题,马克西姆给出了非常长的回答,最长的回答有50页,所以这是一个非常冗长复杂的合集。我们稍后会多说一些。几年后,他收到了一个叫托马斯的人的信,他只有大约四五个问题。所以这是一部短得多的作品。这部分大约10页,那部分大约200页,差不多是这样。在他职业生涯的后期,马克西姆将两部《疑难篇》合集放在一起,这就是它如何被称为一种合集作品的原因。但它实际上是两部独立的作品,这让人困惑,因为早期的《疑难篇》现在实际上是作品的第二部分。所以人们开始谈论它时……《疑难篇》1,《疑难篇》2,早期的,晚期的。这有点令人困惑。其实并没有那么令人困惑。所以我们有来自《致托马斯的疑难篇》的五个章节或部分。然后我们有从《致约翰的疑难篇》中剩下的直到71的部分。所以我们稍后会对此多说一些,但现在我们想关注这部作品是如何作为一个文本结合在一起的。那么让我们进入下一张幻灯片。

An image of a 17th century French Dominican patristic scholar by the name of Francois Combefi. He was one of the great early modern patristic scholars. He knew Greek and Latin like few people before or since and spent a lot of his time going through the libraries of Europe, finding these patristic manuscripts and collating them. And the very first printed edition that we have of the works of Maximus was actually established by Frère François over here, Combefi. So let’s advance the slide, and this is the front page, Saint Maximus the Confessor works, volume one, Paris, and the date I believe is 1675, so that’s a long time ago. Now, let’s go ahead one more please. And here’s the first page from Maximus the Humble Monk. Prosthalasion, this is the first page of the questions to Thalassius. Here’s his critical edition of the Greek text. He also provided the text with a Latin translation. He was a world-class scholar. Now, a very unfortunate thing happened, because Combefi had projected a three-volume edition, that the works of Maximus were to be published in three volumes. He published one volume, he published the second volume, and then he died. He died without having brought the work to completion and we know that he had actually completed the third volume but he died before he sent it to the publisher and it was in his cell or his office and after he died it got jumbled up and confused with his personal papers and it’s been lost. So the problem for the Ambigua is that the third volume was to contain the Ambigua. So we did not get an edition of the Ambigua in 1675, right? And it’s unfortunate because he was such a great textual scholar that we would have had a very good version of the text. So let’s advance now another image. So we had to wait about 200 years till about 1857 when a French scholar, Franz Erler, was in Paris. And it was, I don’t know what was going on politically, there was a siege of Paris, there was, I don’t know if it was a civil war, somebody who knows more about 19th century European history or French history than I do can enlighten me, but during this period of civil unrest, Franz Erler locked himself in an attic and he had a Greek manuscript, one Greek manuscript that contained the Ambigua. And he sat there and he transcribed it and then he gave it to the printers afterwards. So this is the Greek printed text of the Ambigua that was published in 1857. And to this very day, 2013, is that the year we’re in? Yeah. This remains the only Greek text of the Ambigua that we have. And I said, this is not really an edition, it’s a transcription. He had a single Greek manuscript and he simply printed it, basically. Now, remember what I said here. Erler did not round up all of the manuscripts of the Ambigua. He only had one manuscript that he used as the basis for this edition. So, the result is that it’s actually not a very good edition. I’ll leave it open. So, this is the Greek text that has continued to be reprinted in later editions, and it’s the Greek text that patristic scholars continue to work with. And the story goes on because two other scholars tried to publish a critical edition of the Ambigua and were unsuccessful. Around World War II, a French scholar by the name of Raymond Flambert, born in 1911, was hard at work on a critical edition of the Ambigua. He had rounded up all of the manuscripts and was about to finish his work when he died in 1944 at the age of 33, when the Germans bombed the city of Orleans where he was living at the time. So keeping track, Francois Combefi dies prematurely, doesn’t bring the work to completion, and now we have Flambert in 1944, dies during the Nazi bombardment of Orleans at the age of 33. And then closer to our lifetimes, a scholar by the name of Raphael Braque also set out to establish and publish a critical edition of the Ambigua. He died prematurely of cancer at the age of 41 in 1984. So one suspects there’s sort of a curse associated with the text of the Ambigua, which is why I was very, very troubled when I myself undertook to establish and prepare the critical edition of the Ambigua. And I prayed. I felt safe. I was a monk with the name of Maximus in a monastery in Monathes. What are the chances, right? But I did, I prayed to God, I said, God, I said, let me do this. I mean, I was scared. I was taking a chance. I said, let me do this. And once I finish this, then you can take me. After that, I don’t care. This will be my life’s work. And I’ll have done something that people have been trying to do since the 17th century, but have not been able to do. And glory to God. And thanks to the help of St. Maximus, I was actually able to establish the Greek edition of the text and provide it with an English translation. It’ll be published probably in January or February of the coming year. It’s actually on its way to the printer, so I survived. So what I had to do was I had to actually gather up the manuscripts. Like I said, let’s go ahead to the next. So, all right, let’s go ahead. This is actually a very beautiful 11th century Byzantine manuscript containing the text of the Ambigua. My slide is not very good, so it’s not very clear, but this is actually a very, very large manuscript produced in Constantinople, either for an imperial patron or for a wealthy monastery. It’s sort of a deluxe manuscript. It’s in Rome, but not at the Vatican. It’s in a private library, the Bibliotheca Angelica. So here’s one page from it. Let’s see another. Here’s another. It’s not very clear. I’m sorry. I have another one. I have a close-up. Another. This is the last page, and the scribes were often in the habit of writing the text in the shape of a cross. Another.

这是一幅17世纪法国多明我会教父学者弗朗索瓦·康贝菲的画像。他是早期现代最伟大的教父学者之一。他对希腊语和拉丁语的精通程度,在古今都鲜有人及,他花了大量时间穿梭于欧洲的各个图书馆,寻找这些教父手稿并进行校勘。而我们现有的认信者马克西姆著作的第一版印刷本,实际上就是由这位弗朗索瓦修士,即康贝菲建立的。让我们推进幻灯片,这是扉页,认信者圣马克西姆著作,第一卷,巴黎,我相信日期是1675年,那是很久以前了。现在,请再往前翻一页。这是谦卑修士马克西姆的第一页。Prosthalasion(献词),这是致撒拉修的问题的第一页。这是他的希腊文批判性版本。他还为文本提供了拉丁文翻译。他是一位世界级的学者。

现在,发生了一件非常不幸的事情,因为康贝菲计划出版三卷本的版本,即马克西姆的著作将分三卷出版。他出版了第一卷,出版了第二卷,然后就去世了。他在未能完成这项工作的情况下去世了,我们知道他实际上已经完成了第三卷,但在寄给出版商之前就去世了,它在他的房间或办公室里,他死后,它与他的个人文件混在一起,然后就丢失了。所以《难解篇》的问题在于,第三卷原本是要收录《难解篇》的。所以我们没有在1675年得到《难解篇》的版本,对吧?这很不幸,因为他是一位如此伟大的文本学者,我们本可以拥有一个非常好的文本版本。

现在让我们推进到另一张图片。所以我们不得不等待了大约200年,直到1857年左右,一位法国学者弗朗茨·埃勒在巴黎。当时,我不知道政治上发生了什么,巴黎被围困,我不知道这是否是一场内战,比我更了解19世纪欧洲历史或法国历史的人可以启发我,但在这种内乱时期,弗朗茨·埃勒把自己锁在阁楼里,他有一份希腊文手稿,一份包含《难解篇》的希腊文手稿。他坐在那里把它抄写下来,然后把它交给了印刷商。这就是1857年出版的《难解篇》的希腊文印刷文本。直到今天,2013年,我们是在这一年吗?是的。这仍然是我们拥有的唯一一份《难解篇》的希腊文文本。我说过,这其实不是一个版本,而是一份转录。他只有一份希腊文手稿,基本上他只是把它印刷出来了。

现在,记住我在这里说的话。埃勒并没有收集所有《难解篇》的手稿。他只有一份手稿作为这个版本的基础。所以,结果就是这其实不是一个很好的版本。我就不展开讲了。所以,这是在后来的版本中继续被重印的希腊文文本,也是教父学者们继续使用的希腊文文本。故事还在继续,因为另外两位学者试图出版《难解篇》的批判性版本,但都没有成功。在第二次世界大战前后,一位名叫雷蒙德·弗拉姆伯特的法国学者,生于1911年,正在努力制作《难解篇》的批判性版本。他收集了所有的手稿,正准备完成他的工作时,于1944年去世,年仅33岁,当时德国人轰炸了他居住的奥尔良市。所以记录一下,弗朗索瓦·康贝菲英年早逝,未能完成这项工作,现在我们在1944年又有了弗拉姆伯特,在纳粹轰炸奥尔良时去世,年仅33岁。然后离我们的时代更近一些,一位名叫拉斐尔·布拉克的学者也着手建立并出版《难解篇》的批判性版本。他在1984年因癌症英年早逝,年仅41岁。

所以人们会怀疑《难解篇》的文本是否带有某种诅咒,这就是为什么当我自己着手建立和准备《难解篇》的批判性版本时,我感到非常非常不安。于是我祈祷。我感到安全。我是莫纳特斯一家修道院里名叫马克西姆的修士。能出什么事呢,对吧?但我确实祈祷了,我向上帝祈祷,我说,上帝啊,我说,让我做这件事吧。我的意思是,我很害怕。我在冒险。我说,让我做这件事吧。一旦我完成了这件事,你就可以带走我。在那之后,我不在乎了。这将是我一生的工作。我将完成一件人们从17世纪起就试图做但未能做到的事情。感谢上帝。多亏了圣马克西姆的帮助,我实际上成功地建立了该文本的希腊文版本,并提供了英文翻译。它可能会在来年的一月或二月出版。它实际上已经在去印刷厂的路上了,所以我活下来了。

所以我必须做的是,我必须真正收集起这些手稿。就像我说的,让我们继续看下一张。好的,我们继续。这实际上是一份非常美丽的11世纪拜占庭手稿,包含《难解篇》的文本。我的幻灯片不是很好,所以不是很清楚,但这实际上是一份在君士坦丁堡制作的非常大的手稿,要么是为皇室赞助人,要么是为富有的修道院制作的。它算是一份豪华手稿。它在罗马,但不在梵蒂冈。它在一个私人图书馆,安吉丽卡图书馆。这是其中的一页。让我们看另一张。这是另一张。不是很清楚。抱歉。我还有一张。我有一张特写。另一张。这是最后一页,抄写员通常习惯将文本写成十字架的形状。另一张。

Here you get to see the Greek aplanus, theoria, sexemelus, peritaphia, spoudis, et cetera. It’s a very, very fine, very, very clear Greek hand with punctuation and accent marks, and it’s an impeccable kind of text. Another one forward. This is a much more complicated manuscript with, also this is in the Vatican, another 11th, 12th century manuscript, but in a very compressed kind of handwriting that’s difficult to read. Another one. This is another version of the Ambigua, also double columns, but much easier to read. And then finally, does anybody recognize this? It’s money. It’s an Irish banknote. And it has an image here of a 9th century Irish philosopher, historian, scholar named John Eriugena. John Eriugena in the 9th century was one of two people in Western Europe who had an unbelievable command of the Greek language. He was born in Ireland, he learned Greek there, we don’t know how or from whom, and seems to have left Ireland after the Vikings invaded and then made his way to the Carolingian court, the court of Charlemagne. Actually, it was Charlemagne’s grandson with the name of Charles the Bald who was the Carolingian king at that time. And Charles the Bald was a Philhellene and was very happy to have this Greek scholar now come and take up residence in his court. And among his many talents, Eriugena was actually a translator of Greek text into Latin. And he translated the Ambigua into Latin in the year 850, and then other works by Maximus and other works by other Greek church fathers as well. Now here’s the remarkable thing. Those earlier manuscripts that you saw, right? They’re 11th century, 12th century, that sort of thing. Those are the oldest Greek witnesses to the text of the Ambigua, 11th century. The text was written in the 600s, but the oldest Greek version of it we have is from hundreds of years later. Don’t worry, the scribes were very faithful, by the way. The texts are good. The Latin translation made by Eriugena, however, predates the surviving Greek manuscripts by hundreds of years. Do you follow that? There are two additional bonuses here now. The first one is that Eriugena was a slavishly faithful translator. I mean, the Latin text is basically a mirror of the Greek text, often following the same word order, and it’s very difficult to read in the Latin, but he basically replicated the Greek text into Latin. The second thing, let’s go ahead to the next slide. The second thing is that we actually have the autograph. We actually have the Latin translation that Eriugena wrote with his own hand. It shows you how different the history of civilization was in the west where 9th century manuscripts have been preserved, whereas we have nothing like that in the east because of wars and invasions and so on. This is not the Ambigua; I couldn’t find a slide of that manuscript. It’s another work by Eriugena so you can see his early medieval Latin handwriting. It turns out that the oldest witness to the text of the Ambigua is not a Greek manuscript at all, but a Latin one. And the Latin manuscript is extremely important in sort of establishing the Greek text. And I found that whenever—and think about it now—if he was translating, if Eriugena was translating the Ambigua in 850, that means he had a manuscript that was what, from 800? That was 750? Might it have been a copy of the Ambigua brought to Rome by Maximus himself? We don’t have his Greek manuscript, it’s been lost. But he undoubtedly had a very ancient version of the text, which he has mirrored or replicated in his translation. And every time I found a problem among the Greek witnesses, Eriugena always had the solution. Whenever there were things missing from the Greek text, you always found them in there, in Eriugena. So it was really just that we wouldn’t have the text of the Ambigua in the form that we have it were it not for the work of Eriugena. I think this is a good place to take a break. We have a question, that’s fine. How many manuscripts are there total? There are only about 25 or 30, which is actually not a bad number. There are some church fathers who only have one or two. Justin Martyr, for example, only has one or two manuscripts. Clement of Alexandria, again, a very small number. Writers like John Chrysostom, are you ready? Thousands. It has to do with popularity and use. And obviously Clement of Alexandria was not really canonized as a church father. His theology has some sort of questionable aspects. It never became part of the canon. We didn’t need too many copies of it, but these other writers have, or the Ladder of, we don’t even know how many copies there are of John Climacus’ Ladder of Divine Ascent. Again, there must be many, many hundreds, if not thousands. Which again poses problems for the people who have to collate thousands of manuscripts. You need teams of people to do it. Was there another question? Yes, Father? I had studied some Latin, believe it or not, in junior high school, and some more during my doctoral studies. But if you know Greek, and you’re reading Eriugena’s translation of the Ambigua, I mean, it’s more Greek than Latin, so. Okay, okay, yeah. Well, because you can’t… well, because we have the Greek manuscripts, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, you could do that, but then, I mean, if you did that, you would probably… I mean, I haven’t sat down to think through this. If you translated the Latin into English, you would probably have a text that was maybe 80% accurate. But they’re going to… I mean, he’s actually very consistent in terms of what he does, but not absolutely. There are things that he doesn’t always understand, right? I mean, he has his own difficulties with the text, and he was actually reading… he had,

这里你可以看到希腊文的 aplanus, theoria, sexemelus, peritaphia, spoudis 等等。这是一种非常、非常精美,非常、非常清晰的希腊文手写体,带有标点符号和重音符号,是一种无可挑剔的文本。再看下一张。这是一份复杂得多的手稿,同样保存在梵蒂冈,是另一份11、12世纪的手稿,但字迹非常紧凑,难以阅读。再看一张。这是《难题集》的另一个版本,也是双栏排版,但容易阅读得多。最后,有人认出这是什么吗?这是钱。是一张爱尔兰纸币。上面有一幅9世纪爱尔兰哲学家、历史学家、学者约翰·埃里金纳的画像。9世纪的约翰·埃里金纳是西欧仅有的两位对希腊语有着惊人掌握能力的人之一。他出生在爱尔兰,在那里学习了希腊语,我们不知道他是怎么学的,也不知道是跟谁学的,他似乎在维京人入侵后离开了爱尔兰,然后前往加洛林宫廷,即查理曼的宫廷。实际上,当时在位的加洛林国王是查理曼的孙子,名叫秃头查理。秃头查理是一位亲希腊者,他非常高兴这位希腊学者能来到他的宫廷定居。在埃里金纳的众多才华中,他实际上还是一位将希腊文翻译成拉丁文的译者。他在850年将《难题集》翻译成了拉丁文,随后又翻译了马克西姆的其他作品以及其他希腊教父的作品。现在有一件了不起的事情。你们刚才看到的那些早期手稿,对吧?它们是11世纪、12世纪之类的。那些是《难题集》文本最古老的希腊文见证,11世纪的。该文本写于公元600年代,但我们拥有的最古老的希腊文版本是几百年后的。不过别担心,抄写员非常忠实。文本质量很好。然而,埃里金纳所作的拉丁文译本,比现存的希腊文手稿早了几百年。大家明白吗?现在还有两个额外的好处。第一个是埃里金纳是一位极其忠实的译者。我的意思是,拉丁文文本基本上是希腊文文本的镜像,通常遵循相同的语序,在拉丁文中非常难读,但他基本上把希腊文文本复制到了拉丁文中。第二件事,我们来看下一张幻灯片。第二件事是我们实际上有他的亲笔手稿。我们真的有埃里金纳亲手写的拉丁文译本。这向你展示了西方文明史的不同之处,9世纪的手稿在那里得以保存,而我们在东方却没有类似的东西,因为战争和入侵等原因。这不是《难题集》;我找不到那份手稿的幻灯片。这是埃里金纳的另一部作品,所以你可以看到他中世纪早期的拉丁文手写体。事实证明,《难题集》文本最古老的见证根本不是希腊文手稿,而是一份拉丁文手稿。而且这份拉丁文手稿在确立希腊文文本方面极其重要。我发现,每当——现在想一想——如果他在翻译,如果埃里金纳在850年翻译《难题集》,这意味着他有一份手稿,那是哪一年的?800年?还是750年?它会不会是马克西姆亲自带到罗马的《难题集》副本?我们没有他的希腊文手稿,它已经遗失了。但他无疑拥有一份非常古老的文本版本,并在他的译本中进行了镜像或复制。每次我在希腊文见证中发现问题时,埃里金纳总有解决办法。每当希腊文文本中缺失某些内容时,你总能在那里,在埃里金纳的译本中找到它们。所以真的是,如果不是因为埃里金纳的工作,我们就不会有现在这种形式的《难题集》文本。我觉得这是一个休息的好地方。我们有个问题,没关系。总共有多少份手稿?只有大约25或30份,这个数字其实还不错。有些教父只有一两份。例如,殉道者游斯丁只有一两份手稿。亚历山大的克莱门特,同样,数量非常少。像金口约翰这样的作家,准备好了吗?有数千份。这与受欢迎程度和使用频率有关。显然,亚历山大的克莱门特并没有真正被尊为教父。他的神学有一些值得怀疑的方面。它从未成为正典的一部分。我们不需要太多副本,但其他作家有,或者《天梯》,我们甚至不知道约翰克里马克斯的《天梯》有多少副本。同样,肯定有成百上千份,甚至数千份。这再次给那些必须校勘数千份手稿的人带来了问题。你需要团队来做这件事。还有其他问题吗?是的,神父?信不信由你,我在初中时学过一些拉丁文,在攻读博士期间又学了一些。但如果你懂希腊文,并且你在读埃里金纳翻译的《难题集》,我的意思是,它比拉丁文更像希腊文,所以。好的,好的,是的。嗯,因为你不能……嗯,因为我们有希腊文手稿,对吧?是的,是的。嗯,你可以那样做,但是,我的意思是,如果你那样做,你可能会……我的意思是,我还没有坐下来仔细思考过这个问题。如果你把拉丁文翻译成英文,你可能会得到一个准确率大约为80%的文本。但他们要……我的意思是,他实际上在所做的事情上非常一致,但并非绝对。有些东西他并不总是理解,对吧?我的意思是,他对文本有自己的困难,而且他实际上在读……他有,

There are two forms of Greek fonts, majuscule and minuscule. The oldest forms, the oldest handwriting styles, were majuscule, which is just a pretentious academic word for uppercase. Not only was it uppercase, but all the letters were run together. Minuscule is upper and lower case. If I were to write the opening words of the Gospel of John in modern minuscule, upper and lower case, it would be. En-ar-hi-in-o-logos. In the beginning was the Word. Clear to anybody who’s had some basic New Testament Greek. That’s the minuscule. You saw the text, with the up and down characters and the punctuation. But the majuscule text, Eriugena would have had a majuscule uppercase Greek text of the Ambigua. So it would have looked like this. That’s a little more complicated now. 200 pages of this, by the way. It’s not the simple language of the Bible. Jesus wept, in the beginning was the Word. We’re talking about sentences that go on for hundreds of words. In some cases he did misdivide the words, and it’s funny, he didn’t know… What Symmachus was. Symmachus is a Greek, we know the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, but there were other Greek translations of the Old Testament, including Symmachus. Symmachus was the name of the translator. This is Symmachus in Greek. Those of you who study scripture, I think it has two M’s, will have seen this in different places. It might have two M’s. In Greek, the syn is syn, which is the Latin con, like a synod. And simachos, machi is a battle or a fight. So simachos really means an ally, someone who’s fighting with you. Apparently, Eriugena didn’t know who Symmachus was, and he thought it was a reference to a military ally. He didn’t get everything. He translates the word faithfully, but he translates this into the Latin word for a military ally. Do you follow me? He’s not, I don’t want to diminish the praises that I’ve bestowed on Eriugena, but he’s not absolutely perfect. In any case, if you have a Latin translation, no matter how good, and if you have the Greek text, you’ve got to make use of the Greek text. But you use the Latin as a kind of control. Let’s take a break and come back in a few minutes. Patristic Nectar Publications presents The Life and Teaching of Saint Maximus the Confessor by Father Maximus Simonopetridis. Lecture 4. An Introduction to the Works of Saint Maximus Part 2. Now these are all extracts from the earlier Ambigua to John. Maximus had actually spent some time as a monk in the city of Cyzicus in Asia Minor and got to be good friends with the local metropolitan bishop of that city. It was a pretty big city, it was an important city. The two men, the monk and the metropolitan, sat up late at night apparently studying the writings of Gregory the Theologian, who was a 4th century church father and very much one of the most beloved and popular ecclesiastical writers who all the later Byzantines studied. Because they studied Gregory so closely, people had questions with certain ideas and phrases and concepts in Gregory’s orations. Part of the problem was that Gregory was a very poetic and literary and elusive writer. He didn’t write theological treatises in a very straightforward way. These are orations, they’re sermons, they’re 45 sermons, and it’s really poetry. Anybody who’s read poetry knows that poetry sometimes can be difficult to understand. Maximus and John of Cyzicus stayed up late at night trying to solve puzzles and problems in the writings of St. Gregory. That’s what the Ambigua is. The Ambigua is a collection of 70 ambiguous passages from the writings of St. Gregory. And ambiguous, difficult, obscure, unclear passages from the writings of St. Gregory the Theologian. The Ambigua is Maximus’ response to his attempts to clarify and unpack and explain the meaning of those. There’s one question, number five, which is based on a difficult passage in St. Dionysius the Areopagite. It’s 99.9% Gregory, but there’s that one chapter dealing with Dionysius. We can forget about that for now. This is the cover letter now. What happens is that Maximus leaves Asia Minor, because the Persians are on his trail, and arrives in North Africa, and after a period of time receives a letter from the Metropolitan, who says, hey, remember when we sat up late at night and we went over those difficult passages in Gregory the Theologian, he says, do you think you could write that down for me? That’s what this work is. When I read, this is Maximus now writing to John, this is the cover letter. When I received your honorable letter urging me to write down and send you the interpretations of the passages that perplexed us, that’s the word, that’s the ambiguo, the perplexity, that perplexed us in the orations of St. Gregory the Theologian, which we had labored over when we were together, I forced myself to respond to your request. To the extent that this was possible, taking no account of the fact that many will judge me to have acted impetuously. This continues. I ask that when reading the following you not look to me for any literary refinement, since I have not that power over words to make them ring winningly in the ears of the audience, and know not how to round them out with calculated pauses and stops, which I try to capture in the punctuation, the sentences just go on for pages sometimes. Insofar as I am unschooled in the rules of style and inexperienced in their practical exercise, it seems preferable, indeed desirable, for me to concentrate on the inner meaning of what our holy and great teacher has written, though I do so in rough-hewn phrases and only partially at that, more. These were smart guys.

希腊文字体有两种形式:大写体和小写体。最古老的形式,最古老的书写风格,是大写体,这只是一个用来指代大写字母的故作高深的学术词汇。它不仅是大写,而且所有的字母都连在一起。小写体则包含大小写。如果我用现代小写体(大小写)来写《约翰福音》的开篇词,它会是:En-ar-hi-in-o-logos。太初有道。任何学过基础新约希腊语的人都能看懂。这就是小写体。你看到了文本,有上下起伏的字符和标点符号。但大写体文本,埃里金纳当时拥有的《疑难篇》希腊文大写体文本。所以它看起来会是这样。现在这就有点复杂了。顺便说一下,有200页这样的内容。这不是圣经里简单的语言。“耶稣哭了”,“太初有道”。我们谈论的是长达数百个单词的句子。在某些情况下,他确实把单词分错了,有趣的是,他不知道……辛马库是什么。辛马库是希腊人,我们知道七十士译本,这是希伯来旧约的希腊文译本,但旧约还有其他的希腊文译本,包括辛马库的译本。辛马库是译者的名字。这是希腊语的辛马库。你们当中研究圣经的人,我想它有两个M,会在不同的地方看到过这个。它可能有两个M。在希腊语中,syn就是syn,相当于拉丁语的con,就像synod(会议)一样。而simachos,machi是战斗或打斗的意思。所以simachos真正的意思是盟友,和你并肩作战的人。显然,埃里金纳不知道辛马库是谁,他以为这是指一个军事盟友。他并没有全弄懂。他忠实地翻译了这个词,但他把它翻译成了拉丁语中表示军事盟友的词。你们听懂了吗?他不是,我不想减少我对埃里金纳的赞美,但他并不是绝对完美的。无论如何,如果你有一个拉丁文译本,不管它有多好,如果你有希腊文文本,你就必须利用希腊文文本。但你把拉丁文作为一种对照。我们休息一下,几分钟后回来。

教父甘露出版社推出,由马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父主讲《认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导》。第四讲。圣马克西姆著作导论第二部分。现在这些都是早期写给约翰的《疑难篇》的摘录。马克西姆实际上曾作为修士在小亚细亚的库齐库斯城度过了一段时间,并与该城的当地都主教成为了好朋友。那是一个相当大的城市,也是一个重要的城市。这两个人,修士和都主教,显然熬夜研究了神学家圣格列高利的著作,他是一位4世纪的教父,也是后来所有拜占庭人研究的最受喜爱和最受欢迎的教会作家之一。因为他们如此密切地研究格列高利,人们对格列高利演说中的某些思想、短语和概念产生了疑问。部分问题在于格列高利是一位非常富有诗意、文学性强且难以捉摸的作家。他不是以非常直白的方式写神学论文的。这些是演说,是讲道,是45篇讲道,而且实际上是诗歌。任何读过诗的人都知道,诗歌有时可能很难理解。马克西姆和库齐库斯的约翰熬夜试图解开圣格列高利著作中的谜题和问题。这就是《疑难篇》的内容。《疑难篇》是圣格列高利著作中70段模棱两可的段落的集合。也就是神学家圣格列高利著作中模棱两可、困难、晦涩、不清楚的段落。《疑难篇》是马克西姆试图澄清、剖析和解释这些段落含义的回应。有一个问题,第五个,是基于圣狄奥尼修斯的一段难懂的段落。99.9%是格列高利的,但有一章是关于狄奥尼修斯的。我们现在可以先不管它。现在是附信。事情是这样的,马克西姆离开小亚细亚,因为波斯人在追捕他,他到达北非,过了一段时间,收到了都主教的信,他说,嘿,还记得我们熬夜一起看神学家圣格列高利那些难懂的段落吗,他说,你觉得你能把它写下来给我吗?这就是这部作品的由来。当我读到,这是马克西姆现在写给约翰的,这是附信。“当我收到你尊贵的信,敦促我写下并寄给你那些让我们困惑的段落的解释时”——这就是那个词,就是ambiguo,困惑,那些在神学家圣格列高利的演说中让我们困惑的段落,我们在一起时曾为此费尽心血——“我强迫自己回应你的请求。在可能的范围内,不顾许多人会认为我行事冲动的事实。”这还在继续。“我请求你在阅读以下内容时,不要指望我有什么文学上的润色,因为我没有那种驾驭文字的能力,能让它们在听众耳中悦耳动听,也不知道如何用精心计算的停顿和休止来使它们圆满,我试图在标点符号中捕捉这一点,有时句子会连绵好几页。由于我在风格规则方面未受过教育,且缺乏实际运用的经验,对我来说,集中精力关注我们神圣而伟大的老师所写内容的内在含义,似乎是更可取的,甚至是令人向往的,尽管我是用粗糙的短语来做的,而且只是部分地做到这一点,等等。”这些家伙都很聪明。

Moreover, I implore you not to reproach me on account of my drawn-out explanations. He can be very prolix. For you are well aware that St. Gregory the Theologian was a man of profound thoughts, but of comparatively few words. And so he compels his interpreters, even those who command extraordinary powers of speech and philosophical brilliance, to go on at great length and touch on a wide range of subjects. How much more so, then, will this be true of someone as uncultivated as myself? As I said, for one passage alone, he goes on for 50 pages. Unpacking. I think of it like the Big Bang Theory. The ambiguous or difficult particle from Gregory’s writings is this dense piece of theological matter that Maximus has to crack open and out of which he unfolds a whole universe. And it’s all in that elusive, obscure, ambiguous saying of the great Gregory. So that’s just to give you the background. Let’s go to the second item. Now, one of the things that’s so charming about the Ambiguo is Maximus’ love of St. Gregory. The title he has for St. Gregory is the teacher. Gregory is the teacher, the teacher. He must refer to him as the teacher over a hundred times in this work. Of course, he has other titles of honorifics that he uses as well, but Gregory is the teacher. And sometimes John writes to him and says, well, some people believe that Gregory means this, and of course it’s incorrect or it’s a heretical reading of Gregory. Maximus is very upset at this. He’s very protective of his teacher, even though, of course, Gregory lived centuries before. And here’s a great example of Maximus coming to the defense of St. Gregory. And it’s also one of the few very rhetorical passages in the Ambigua, so it’s worth sharing. And this is exactly what the enemies of the truth did long ago to that holy man, Gregory. When they jumped up from their seats and rushed forward because of the things that he said, even before he said them. Now he’s referring to a moment when Gregory was giving a sermon in Constantinople and Aryans had packed the house, hanging on his every word, and they actually rushed at him. And there was another time where they actually paid someone to try and assassinate Gregory while he was in Constantinople. And the fellow actually failed in his attempt. I don’t even think he was wounded; I think they stopped him. And later on there was a reconciliation between the two and Gregory forgave him. So there were verbal and physical assaults on Gregory in Aryan-dominated Constantinople. So this idea of these Aryans rushing forward because of the things that he said, even before he had said them, rather like cavalry horses or those used for racing which even before the races and the blast of the trumpet prick up their ears and stamp their feet on the ground scraping it with their hooves rousing themselves for the race and not infrequently breaking away from the gate and bolting forward before they have felt the sting of the starting whip. So they’re these creatures that are rushing like animals at St. Gregory. The next one this goes on. The difference, of course, is that horses are irrational beasts. And no one censures them for not waiting for the start of the race. Whereas for those men who rose up against St. Gregory, no amount of censure would be commensurate with their wickedness. They are experts in the theory and practice of lying and in obstructing the truth. So he’s describing those men of old who attacked Gregory, but he’s really talking about his contemporaries who were misinterpreting Gregory, heretically. There’s more to this. Such men are rightly said to have itching ears and tongues. I think that’s from Timothy, and in yet another coincidence, Sharon mentioned this phrase earlier today. For just like an extremely bitter and thick secretion that has accumulated deep within the body and which through scratching is often irritated and rises to the surface, so too does a concealed disposition irritate those who hate whatever is well spoken, who take the opportunity to spew forth the malignancy of their soul and the more it spreads the deeper it lodges within them. For the disposition of degenerate and depraved men does not leave them simply because it has been manifested in their deeds but to the contrary it unrestrainedly befouls and corrupts everything around them without, as I said, ever departing from the cavity of their soul. Which is a very terrifying thing to say. When I first read this I shared it with somebody in the monastery and he said, ‘This happens here every day.’ But if you see this in context, most of the text is this very calm, philosophical discussion. And then there are these moments like this where he just gets upset because people are maligning the teacher. They’re misinterpreting the teacher. And his devotion to Gregory is very, very endearing and very, very charming. But I have another example from the text. I’m showing you this just so you can see just how creative and intriguing, and I don’t even know how to describe it, how inventive Maximus can be with scripture and theology. This is just an excerpt. Now the chief characteristic of the book is that it is a book of the same nature. The mystic of joy is a leaping and rejoicing in God, which we see in John the Baptist, who leaped in the womb. We see it also in David, who leaped for joy when the ark came to its rest. For it is true, though it may be a jarring and unusual thing to say, that both man and the Word of God, the Creator and Master of the Universe, exist in a kind of womb, owing to the present condition of our life. In this sense-perceptible world, just as if he were enclosed in a womb, the Word of God appears only obscurely, and only to those who have the spirit of John the Baptist.

此外,我恳求你不要因为我冗长的解释而责备我。他可能会非常啰嗦。因为你很清楚,神学家圣格列高利是一个思想深刻但言辞相对较少的人。因此,他迫使他的解释者,即使是那些拥有非凡口才和哲学才华的人,也不得不长篇大论,触及广泛的主题。那么,对于像我这样没有教养的人来说,情况更是如此呢?正如我所说,仅仅为了一段话,他就写了50页。在展开说明。我觉得这就像大爆炸理论。格列高利著作中模糊或困难的粒子是这块致密的神学物质,马克西姆必须将其敲开,并从中展开一个完整的宇宙。而这一切都包含在伟大的格列高利那句难以捉摸、晦涩、模棱两可的话语中。这只是为了给你提供背景。让我们进入第二项。

现在,《疑难集》中如此迷人的事情之一是马克西姆对圣格列高利的热爱。他对圣格列高利的称呼是“老师”。格列高利是老师,老师。在这部作品中,他称他为老师一定超过了一百次。当然,他也使用了其他尊称,但格列高利是老师。有时约翰写信给他说,嗯,有些人认为格列高利的意思是这个,当然这是不正确的,或者是对格列高利的异端解读。马克西姆对此非常不安。他非常保护他的老师,尽管格列高利生活在几个世纪前。这里有一个马克西姆为圣格列高利辩护的绝佳例子。这也是《疑难集》中为数不多的非常具有修辞色彩的段落之一,因此值得分享。

这正是很久以前真理的敌人对那个圣洁的人,格列高利所做的。当他们因为他所说的话而从座位上跳起来并冲上前去,甚至在他还没说之前。现在他指的是格列高利在君士坦丁堡讲道时的一个时刻,阿里乌派挤满了屋子,全神贯注地听他说的每一句话,他们实际上冲向了他。还有一次,他们实际上花钱雇人试图在格列高利在君士坦丁堡时暗杀他。而那个人实际上失败了。我甚至不认为他受伤了;我想他们阻止了他。后来两人之间达成了和解,格列高利原谅了他。因此,在阿里乌派主导的君士坦丁堡,格列高利遭受了言语和身体上的攻击。所以这些阿里乌派因为他所说的话而冲上前去,甚至在他还没说之前,这就像骑兵的马或用于赛跑的马,甚至在比赛和号角吹响之前,它们就竖起耳朵,用蹄子在地上跺脚,用蹄子刮擦地面,为比赛振奋自己,并且经常在感受到起跑鞭的刺痛之前就挣脱大门向前冲去。所以他们就像动物一样冲向圣格列高利。接下来继续。当然,区别在于马是非理性的野兽。没有人因为它们没有等待比赛开始而责备它们。而对于那些起来反对圣格列高利的人来说,再多的责备也无法与他们的邪恶相称。他们是撒谎和阻碍真理的理论与实践专家。

所以他是在描述那些攻击格列高利的古人,但他实际上是在谈论他那些以异端方式曲解格列高利的同代人。还有更多。这样的人被恰如其分地说是有发痒的耳朵和舌头。我想那是出自提摩太,而在另一个巧合中,莎伦今天早些时候提到了这个短语。就像一种极其苦涩和浓稠的分泌物积聚在身体深处,通过抓挠经常受到刺激并上升到表面一样,一种隐藏的倾向也会刺激那些讨厌任何说得好的人,他们趁机喷吐出灵魂的恶毒,而且它传播得越广,在他们内心扎根就越深。因为堕落和败坏之人的倾向并不会仅仅因为它已经在他们的行为中表现出来就离开他们,相反,正如我所说,它会毫无节制地玷污和腐蚀他们周围的一切,而永远不会离开他们灵魂的空腔。这是一件非常可怕的事情。当我第一次读到这段时,我与修院里的某个人分享了,他说,“这每天都在这里发生。”但如果你在上下文中看这个,文本的大部分是非常平静的哲学讨论。然后有像这样的时刻,他只是因为人们诽谤老师而感到不安。他们在曲解老师。他对格列高利的奉献非常非常感人,非常非常迷人。但我还有一个来自文本的例子。我向你们展示这个,只是为了让你们看到马克西姆在圣经和神学方面是多么有创造力和引人入胜,我甚至不知道该如何形容,他是多么富有独创性。这只是一个摘录。

现在,这本书的主要特征是它是一本具有相同性质的书。喜乐的奥秘是在上帝面前跳跃和欢欣,我们在施洗约翰身上看到了这一点,他在母腹中就跳跃了。我们也在大卫身上看到了这一点,当约柜安息时,他欢喜跳跃。因为这是真实的,尽管说起来可能有些刺耳和不寻常,但由于我们目前的生活状况,人和上帝之道,即宇宙的创造者和主宰,都存在于一种母腹之中。在这个感官世界中,就像他被关在母腹中一样,上帝之道只是隐晦地显现,而且只向那些拥有施洗约翰之灵的人显现。

Human beings, on the other hand, gazing through the womb of the material world, catch but a glimpse of the world who is concealed within beings, and this again only if they are endowed with John’s spiritual gifts. For when compared to the ineffable glory and splendor of the age to come, and to the kind of life that awaits us there, this present life differs in no way from a womb swathed in darkness in which, for the sake of us who were infantile in mind, the infinitely perfect word of God who loves mankind became an infant. So this is an aside, right? This is a parenthetical aside that he’s making in the course of a larger statement. He’s talking about joy and leaping and the joy leads him to leaping. Leaping leads him to John the Baptist and also to David and then this leads him to the story of Mary and Elizabeth. That’s where it comes from. The babe leapt in your womb. We read it now at the small paraclisi service, and he has this image now of John the Baptist, a human being in the womb of his mother, right? Confronting the Word of God made flesh in the womb of the Virgin. So we have two figures, human and divine, encased or enclosed within these wombs. And the one, actually, the human figure, intuits or observes or recognizes the presence of the divine through his womb and through the other womb, right? So we have these two wombs and this is what he says. So Maximus uses this as a kind of metaphor or an allegory. We are physical, corporeal, sense-perceptible beings living in the womb of the physical world. And of course the divine infuses everything with its presence, but sometimes this is obscured because of the corporeal reality, and then obviously because of sin and these kinds of things. And only somebody with the spirit of John the Baptist can see through the dark womb of the material world. And the word himself is encased in a corporeal body and has entered into the sense perceptible world. So if you think through it, it makes sense, but I thought, well, where did he get this from? I didn’t know. No one had said anything like this before him or since. So it’s a great example of Maximus being very traditional because he’s actually taken this moment from the Gospel of Luke and turned it into a metaphor for the larger human condition. So it’s a remarkable thing, and it’s just an aside, right? Just an aside to give you a sense of how remarkable his thought or his thinking can be. Now we move to our two major texts, and here now we enter some very treacherous and difficult waters. And before we start, this is probably nine or ten paragraphs that we’re going to go through. I don’t know how far we’ll get or how much endurance we’ll be able to bring forward for this, but we’ll do our best. But before we get into this, I need to make a couple of introductory remarks because what we’re going to be talking about now is really a theology of creation in a sense. And I heard somebody say once, and it was actually very helpful, there are different ways to think about the relationship between God and the world. And different religious traditions construe that differently, and different Christian traditions understand that relationship differently. Of course, the Orthodox Church has its understanding of that relationship. And one way to put it is in terms of a question. And is God related to the world as an author is to a text? Because that’s been the classical view in many Christian traditions, either the watchmaker or some other object, right? Is God the author of the world, the maker of the world, in the same way that an author writes a text? There are Christian traditions that understand the God-world relationship like that. That’s actually not very good, right? Because authors and texts can be separated. An author can write a text and put it down and walk away or die, right? He might revise the text at some later point, or the text can be misunderstood, misinterpreted by someone in the absence of the author and so on. So that relationship is not a good one, even though it’s been put forward by Christian theologians in the past. It’s not a good one. It’s not much of a relationship at all. The better way to think about it is not as author and text, but as text and meaning. Think about the words on the page as the physical world. And then think about meaning. When you read words on a page, you see more than W-H-O-K-N-O, right? There’s meaning that’s somehow contained in those words. There’s an intelligibility there beyond the letters of the alphabet. Writing is a remarkable thing. We take it for granted if we don’t think about it. So what is the relationship between the text and its meaning? That’s a tough question. Can you separate them? We translate texts, a French poem now in English, but the meaning changes because the text has changed too. It’s hard to translate poetry. Poetry, poiesis, is the Greek word for creation too, to make. So when we think about the relationship between God and the world as a text and its meaning, we’re talking about something much more interconnected, much more co-interpenetrating, to use a theological word, and something that’s very difficult to disentangle. So we have a closeness there without a fusion or a complication. That would be a very general thing to say, to understand that God and the world somehow mutually coexist and are mutually present to each other. When I was younger, I had this idea that God is somewhere out there. Either he’s a concept or an idea or a force or somehow just different from the world or separate from the world. That’s not the Orthodox view.

另一方面,人类透过物质世界的子宫凝视,只能瞥见隐藏在受造物之中的世界,而且这只有在他们被赋予约翰的属灵恩赐时才能做到。因为当与未来世代的难以言喻的荣耀和光辉,以及在那里等待我们的那种生活相比时,这现今的生活与一个被黑暗包裹的子宫毫无二致,在这个子宫里,为了我们这些心智幼稚的人,那无限完美、爱人类的上帝之道成为了一个婴儿。所以这是一个旁白,对吧?这是他在一个更大的论述过程中所作的一个括号里的旁白。他在谈论喜乐和跳跃,喜乐引导他跳跃。跳跃引导他想到施洗约翰,也想到大卫,然后这引导他想到玛利亚和伊丽莎白的故事。这就是它的由来。“胎儿在你腹中跳跃。”我们现在在小祈求礼仪式上读到这段,他现在有了施洗约翰的这幅图像,一个在母亲子宫里的人,对吧?与在童贞女子宫中道成肉身的上帝之道相遇。所以我们有两个人物,一属人一属神,被包裹或封闭在这些子宫里。而其中之一,实际上是那个人物,通过他的子宫和另一个子宫,直觉到、观察到或认出了神圣者的同在,对吧?所以我们有这两个子宫,这就是他所说的。所以马克西姆将此用作一种隐喻或寓言。我们是物质的、肉体的、可感知的受造物,生活在物质世界的子宫里。当然,神圣者以其同在充满万物,但有时这因为肉体的现实而被遮蔽,然后显然也因为罪和这类事情而被遮蔽。只有拥有施洗约翰之灵的人才能看透物质世界黑暗的子宫。而道本身被包裹在一个肉身之中,并进入了可感知的世界。所以如果你仔细想想,这是说得通的,但我当时想,嗯,他从哪里得到这个的呢?我不知道。在他之前或之后,没有人说过这样的话。所以这是马克西姆非常传统的一个绝佳例子,因为他实际上从《路加福音》中提取了这个时刻,并将其转化为对更广泛的人类境况的隐喻。所以这是一件了不起的事情,而这只是一个旁白,对吧?只是一个旁白,让你感受到他的思想或思考方式可以有多么了不起。现在我们转向我们的两个主要文本,现在我们进入了一些非常险恶和困难的水域。在我们开始之前,这大概有九到十段我们要过一遍。我不知道我们能走多远,或者我们能为此投入多少耐力,但我们会尽力而为。但在我们深入探讨之前,我需要做几点引言性质的说明,因为我们现在要讨论的实际上是某种意义上的受造物神学。我曾听人说过一次,这其实非常有帮助,思考上帝与世界的关系有不同的方式。不同的宗教传统对此有不同的理解,不同的基督教传统对这种关系的理解也不同。当然,东正教对这种关系有自己的理解。一种表达方式是用一个问题来提出。上帝与世界的关系是否就像作者与文本的关系一样?因为这在许多基督教传统中一直是经典的观点,无论是钟表匠还是其他什么客体,对吧?上帝是否像作者写文本那样,是世界的作者、世界的创造者?有些基督教传统就是这样理解上帝与世界的关系的。这其实不太好,对吧?因为作者和文本是可以分开的。作者可以写一个文本,然后放下它走开或者死去,对吧?他可能在以后的某个时候修改文本,或者文本在作者不在场时被某人误解、误读等等。所以这种关系不是一种好关系,尽管过去有基督教神学家提出过这种观点。它不好。它根本算不上是一种关系。更好的思考方式不是作者和文本,而是文本和意义。把纸上的文字想象成物质世界。然后再想想意义。当你阅读纸上的文字时,你看到的不仅仅是W-H-O-K-N-O,对吧?有某种意义包含在这些文字中。那里有一种超越了字母表的可理解性。书写是一件了不起的事情。如果我们不去想它,我们就会把它视为理所当然。那么文本与其意义之间的关系是什么?这是一个棘手的问题。你能把它们分开吗?我们翻译文本,一首法语诗现在变成英语,但意义改变了,因为文本也改变了。翻译诗歌很难。诗歌,poiesis,也是希腊语中表示创造、制作的词。因此,当我们把上帝与世界的关系思考为文本与其意义时,我们谈论的是某种联系紧密得多、相互渗透得多的事物——用一个神学词汇来说——以及某种非常难以理清的事物。因此,我们在那里有一种亲密关系,而没有融合或混杂。这会是一个非常概括的说法,即理解上帝和世界以某种方式相互共存,并相互向对方同在。当我年轻的时候,我有这种想法,认为上帝在某个遥远的地方。他要么是一个概念、一个想法、一种力量,要么在某种程度上只是与世界不同或与世界分离。这不是东正教的观点。

And the Orthodox view is that the divine actually permeates and penetrates the whole of creation, in the same way that meaning permeates and penetrates a text, right? That’s a very different kind of a world to live in. It’s not the Hegelian or whoever, the divine clockmaker that God created the world like Aristotle said and then sort of went somewhere else, wound it up and left it there to kind of run on for millennia. That’s not the world, that’s one kind of a world to live in, isn’t it, right? Not a very good one if you ask me. But the Orthodox, Orthodox cosmology, the Orthodox view of the world is a very different one. And that’s the one we live in. Now, there’s more to this. And I think the best way to approach it is to think about the divine and the human as somehow having or possessing or exhibiting, or relating, let’s put it that way, relating to one another through two, what, ecstasies. That for God to create the world and for God to enter into the world, he has to go outside of himself. The whole idea of sort of Paul’s notion of the self-emptying or the kenosis of the word, Philippians 2, divine self-emptying, there it’s used for the incarnation. But creation itself can be understood as God going outside of himself to bring a reality into existence that is other than himself. So we have this notion, I mean it comes to the fore in Dionysius, we find it in Maximus and it’s in the text that we’ll look at. That’s the one ecstasy. Think about the divine energies. It’s not God’s essence that comes at you. It’s God’s energies that are forever rushing toward you, even at this very moment. God is, as if God is eternally running toward you, running toward you to find you. So going outside of himself, from his place of divinity, to enter into relationship with, to create the world in the first place, and then to enter into relationship with that creation. That would be the one ecstasy. Human beings now are created with this capacity to go outside themselves, right, to ecstatically go beyond themselves. Even on a very human level, people have ecstatic raptures listening to, I don’t know, Brahms or Bach or something, right, through artistic experience or other kinds of peak experiences that people have. There is this idea of transcending oneself, of going outside of oneself, right? There are good forms and bad forms. And this is a sort of basic human desire and capacity, I think is proven by the fact that everybody’s addicted, right? Look how addicted this culture is, whether it’s the drugs or alcohol or sex or food or all the things that we heard about earlier today. That susceptibility, let’s say, to addiction, that’s a human fallen desire for… There are even drugs called ecstasy, aren’t they? Ecstasy for us is a theological word related to divinization. For most people, it’s a drug you take in a nightclub. How pathetic is that? But this desire for… There was a psychologist, I forget his name, he said that human beings have a desire for peak experiences. They want to jump out of airplanes, they want to climb up mountains, they want to… There’s this thirst for intensity, to be more than we are, to go beyond ourselves, to experience something. All of that is just the way that our culture very poorly tries to manage this capacity that we have to be more than what we are, to go outside of ourselves, to transcend ourselves. And in the highest, if you read the writings of the saints, in the highest experience, the highest moments of divinization, as the saints draw closer to God, God draws them out of themselves. Ecstasis means to stand outside of yourself. And they are sort of like Paul is raptured up to the third heaven. He doesn’t know if he’s in the body or out of the body because he’s entered into that state of ecstasy, right? In the body, out of the body, no idea, not sure, right? But I was in paradise, I was in the third heaven, I heard things that, words that cannot be heard or repeated, etc. So there it is already in Paul. So God and man meet by virtue of these two ecstasies, to put it that way. I think the human ecstasy is something you know, it’s something you’ve experienced. It doesn’t require further sort of elaboration on my part. The notion of the divine ecstasy, though, that’s probably newer, or maybe you’re hearing it for the first time. And it’s a complicated kind of a thing. We’ll say more about it. But if you read Dionysius on the divine aims, he says that because of his love for the world, God, he uses the language of God is beguiled. God is bewitched, in a sense, by love and drawn out of himself, right, in this act of creation. And God actually, well, we’ll see how Maximus puts it, but God himself is self-involved in the constitution of the world, right, by making himself present now to something that is other than himself, right? So I said this was going to get a little complicated theologically or philosophically, and we’re getting into that right now, but we’ll do what we can. It’s a difficult text, probably one of the most difficult passages in Maximus, but it is that one passage that talks about his doctrine of creation and the indwelling of the Logos, the Word of God, in the created order. So that was all the setup. Let’s look at the text. Who, knowing that it was with reason, there’s Logos there, reason and wisdom, that God brought beings into existence out of nothing who if he were carefully to direct the contemplative power of his soul to their infinite natural differences in variety. In other words, somebody contemplates the variety of creation with his soul and with the analytical power of reason were to distinguish in his mind the logos. It’s hard to translate, it really means principle, inner principle, reason, cause, very difficult to translate into English, so I’ve left it, I’ve simply transliterated it.

东正教的观点是,神圣实际上渗透并贯穿整个受造物,就像意义渗透并贯穿一段文本一样,对吧?这是一个非常不同的生活世界。它不是黑格尔式的或任何其他人的观点,不是亚里士多德所说的那种神圣钟表匠,上帝创造了世界,然后去了别的地方,给它上好发条,把它留在那里让它运转几千年。那不是这个世界,那是其中一种可以生活的世界,不是吗,对吧?如果你问我的话,那不是一个很好的世界。但是东正教,东正教宇宙论,东正教的世界观是非常不同的。而那正是我们所生活的世界。现在,关于这一点还有更多内容。我认为探讨这个问题的最佳方式是,思考神圣与人类如何以某种方式拥有、具备或展现,或者说,让我们这样说,通过两种……什么,出神,来相互关联。上帝为了创造世界并进入世界,他必须走出他自己。保罗关于道的虚己或倒空的整体概念,腓立比书2章,神圣的虚己,在那里它被用于道成肉身。但受造物本身可以被理解为上帝走出他自己,将一个不同于他自己的现实带入存在。所以我们有这个概念,我的意思是它在狄奥尼修斯中凸显出来,我们在马克西姆中发现了它,它就在我们将要查看的文本中。那是第一种出神。想想上帝的能量。向你迎面而来的不是上帝的本质。是上帝的能量永远向你奔涌而来,甚至就在此时此刻。上帝,就好像上帝在永恒地向你奔跑,向你奔跑来寻找你。所以走出他自己,从他的神性之位,首先为了创造世界而进入关系,然后与那个受造物进入关系。那将是第一种出神。现在人类被创造出来时具有这种走出他们自己的能力,对吧,出神地超越他们自己。即使在非常人类的层面上,人们在听,我不知道,勃拉姆斯或巴赫或什么的时也会有出神的狂喜,对吧,通过艺术体验或人们拥有的其他类型的巅峰体验。有这种超越自我、走出自我的想法,对吧?有好的形式和坏的形式。这是一种基本的人类欲望和能力,我认为这被每个人都成瘾的事实所证明,对吧?看看这种文化有多成瘾,无论是毒品、酒精、性、食物,还是我们今天早些时候听到的所有事情。那种易感性,比方说,对成瘾的易感性,那是人类堕落后对……的欲望。甚至有叫“狂喜”的毒品,不是吗?对我们来说,出神是一个与神化相关的神学词汇。对大多数人来说,它是你在夜总会里吃的一种药。那有多可悲?但这种对……的渴望。有一位心理学家,我忘了他的名字,他说人类对巅峰体验有一种渴望。他们想跳出飞机,他们想爬上高山,他们想……有一种对强度的渴望,想超越我们现在的样子,超越我们自己,去体验一些东西。所有这些都只是我们的文化非常拙劣地试图管理我们这种超越我们现在的样子、走出自我、超越自我的能力的方式。而在最高境界,如果你读圣人的著作,在最高的体验中,在神化的最高时刻,随着圣人越来越接近上帝,上帝将他们从他们自己中拉出来。出神意味着站在你自己之外。他们有点像保罗被提到第三层天。他不知道自己是在身内还是在身外,因为他已经进入了那种出神的状态,对吧?在身内,在身外,毫无头绪,不确定,对吧?但我是在乐园里,在第三层天,我听到了那些不能听见或重复的事情、话语,等等。所以这在保罗那里已经有了。所以可以说,上帝和人通过这两种出神相遇。我认为人类的出神是你所知道的,是你所经历过的。这不需要我进一步阐述。然而,神圣出神的概念,那可能是比较新的,或者也许你是第一次听到。这是一个有点复杂的事情。我们会对此多说一些。但是如果你读狄奥尼修斯关于神圣目标的内容,他说因为他对世界的爱,上帝,他使用了上帝被诱惑的语言。上帝被爱迷惑,在某种意义上,被爱吸引而走出他自己,对吧,在这个创造的行动中。而上帝实际上,嗯,我们会看到马克西姆是怎么说的,但上帝自己亲自参与了世界的构成,对吧,通过现在使自己向不同于他自己的事物显现,对吧?所以我说过这在神学或哲学上会变得有点复杂,我们现在正在进入这个阶段,但我们会尽我们所能。这是一段困难的文本,可能是马克西姆中最困难的段落之一,但正是那一段谈论了他关于受造物的教义以及上帝之道在受造秩序中的内住。所以这些都是背景铺垫。让我们看看文本。“谁,知道上帝是出于理性(那里有‘道’,理性和智慧),从无到有地将存在带入存在,如果他仔细地将他灵魂的静观力量引向它们在多样性中无限的自然差异。”换句话说,某人用他的灵魂静观受造物的多样性,并用理性的分析力量在他的脑海中区分出“道”。这很难翻译,它真正的意思是原则、内在原则、理性、原因,很难翻译成英文,所以我保留了它,我只是音译了它。

The metaphysical ground of something, the cause, the divine cause of the thing. You can look at a tree and just see a tree, or in a moment of mystical transport or contemplation, you can actually see the presence of God in that tree, the presence of God to that tree. The presence of divine life as it makes that tree the tree, which is the logos of that tree. It’s God’s mode of being in that particular creature. Because God’s not present in the tree in the same way that he’s present in a human being or in a rock. For the simple reason that a rock is not sentient, and for the simple reason that a tree has growth, vegetative life, and for the simple reason that human beings have mind. So God is present in the rock simply as existence. He’s present in the tree as the life of the life of that tree. He’s the being of the being of the rock, the life of the life of the tree, and the mind and the wisdom and the reason of rational creatures. It gets philosophically complicated, but this is the teaching of the church, in the way that Maximus unfolds it. So who could look at the physical world with his soul and his reason and his power of contemplation and not distinguish in his mind the logos according to which they were created. Who would not, I ask, fail to know the one logos as many logoi? He’ll say more about this in a moment. Indivisibly, the logos now, indivisibly distinguished, made multiple in a sense without division. Indivisibly distinguished amidst the differences of created things, owing to their specific individuality, which remains unconfused both of themselves and with respect to one. That’s one sentence, one question, by the way, so get a sense of how complicated it is. So what we’re talking about here is a notion of creation as a theophany. Creation is not other than God in any absolute sense. It is a manifestation of God. It is a theophany of the divine. Very much like an incarnation of the divine, but not in the way of the historical incarnation of the second person of the Trinity in Christ. So creation is a burning bush in a sense, on fire with the energies of God. That’s a simple way of translating his more complicated philosophical prose. This continues, let’s move on. Moreover, would he not also know that the many Logoi are one Logos, seeing that all things are related to him without being confused with him? See, that’s important now. This is not pantheism. This is not the confusion of creatures with God. But at the same time, it’s this very profound connection of God and creatures. The one is the many and the many are the one. The one Logos is self-multiplied in the principles of creation, the ground of creation. This is the way God is present to creatures without self-dividing and without confusing himself with the creatures. All things related to him without being confused with him, who is the essential and personally distinct Logos of God the Father, the origin and cause of all things. They have a biblical quote, help me here, is this Ephesians? In whom all things were created in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, with their thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities, all things were created from him, through him, and returned unto him. So the image is one of God self-multiplying in the created order, and then the creatures now have been created with this capacity to return to God. So we have a kind of a cyclical motion here of a kind of a procession from God into the world, and then of preachers back to God. That’s what he’s describing there. The biblical quote is from where? Ephesians. Very kind of you to whisper. You don’t want to embarrass me, but I’m asking you to help me here. The problem is that the biblical references for the translation are in the Greek text. That was the editor’s decision, which is why they’re not here. I’m pretty sure it’s Ephesians, though. This continues. From all eternity, he contained within himself the pre-existing Logoi of created beings. Now the Logoi are not anything separate or other than the Logos. The Logos is one, and in himself he contains all of the principles of created things, but in the Logos they’re undifferentiated. They’re not multiple within him. They only become multiple from our point of view as they find self-expression in the multiplicity of creatures. People say when you’re a kid, oh, God has a plan for you. It’s kind of like that. This is the logos. Every creature has its origin in the divine and its telos, its end in the divine. That’s the plan. It’s created with a natural capacity to reach that end. So from all eternity he contained within himself the pre-existing logoi of created beings. When, in his goodwill, he formed out of nothing the substance of the visible and invisible worlds, he did so on the basis of these Logoi. Some people describe, Augustine describes these as ideas in the mind of God, almost like platonic ideas or platonic forms that become the blueprints for the created world. The Greek fathers don’t quite use that language, but it is helpful to know that because it’s sort of like that. But they’re not platonic forms or ideas. It’s the Logos himself who contains the fullness of everything, undifferentiated within himself, but differentiated when seen from the perspective of creation.

某物的形而上学基础,原因,该事物的神圣原因。你可以看着一棵树,仅仅看到一棵树,或者在一种神秘的狂喜或静观的时刻,你实际上可以看到上帝在那棵树中的同在,上帝向那棵树的同在。神圣生命的同在,正是它使那棵树成为那棵树,这就是那棵树的道。这是上帝在那个特定受造物中的存在方式。因为上帝在树中的同在方式与他在人或岩石中的同在方式不同。原因很简单,岩石没有感知能力,树有生长和植物性生命,而人类有心灵。所以上帝在岩石中仅仅作为存在而同在。他在树中作为那棵树的生命之生命而同在。他是岩石的存在之存在,树的生命之生命,以及理性受造物的心灵、智慧和理性。这在哲学上变得复杂,但这是教会的教导,正如马克西姆所阐述的那样。那么,谁能用他的灵魂、他的理性和他的静观能力来看待物理世界,而不在他的心中分辨出它们受造所依据的道呢?我问,谁会不认识这一个道即是许多道呢?他稍后会对此说更多。不可分割地,现在这个道,不可分割地被区分,在某种意义上成为多而没有分割。在受造物的差异中不可分割地被区分,这是由于它们特定的个体性,这种个体性无论在它们自身还是在相对于“一”方面都保持不混淆。顺便说一下,这是一个句子,一个问题,所以你可以感觉到它有多复杂。所以我们在这里谈论的是将受造物视为一种神显的概念。受造物在任何绝对的意义上都不是异于上帝的。它是上帝的彰显。它是神圣的神显。非常像神圣的道成肉身,但不是三位一体的第二位格在基督里历史性道成肉身的方式。所以在某种意义上,受造物是一棵燃烧的荆棘,被上帝的能量所点燃。这是翻译他更复杂的哲学散文的一种简单方法。这还在继续,我们往下看。此外,他难道不也会知道许多道就是一个道,因为万物都与他相关而不与他混淆吗?看,这现在很重要。这不是泛神论。这不是受造物与上帝的混淆。但与此同时,这是上帝与受造物之间非常深刻的联系。一即是多,多即是一。这一个道在受造物的原则中,在受造物的基础中自我繁衍。这就是上帝向受造物同在的方式,既不自我分割,也不将自己与受造物混淆。万物都与他相关而不与他混淆,他是上帝之父本质上的且在位格上截然不同的道,是万物的起源和原因。他们有一段圣经引文,帮帮我,这是《以弗所书》吗?“万有都是在他里面受造的,在天上的,在地上的,能看见的,不能看见的,或是有位的,主治的,执政的,掌权的,万有都是借着他造的,又是为他造的,并归于他。”所以这里的意象是上帝在受造秩序中自我繁衍,然后受造物现在被创造出来,具有这种回归上帝的能力。所以我们在这里有一种循环运动,一种从上帝进入世界的行进,然后是回归上帝。这就是他在那里描述的。这段圣经引文出自哪里?《以弗所书》。谢谢你小声告诉我。你不想让我尴尬,但我是在请你帮我。问题是翻译的圣经出处都在希腊语文本中。那是编辑的决定,这就是为什么它们不在这里。不过我很确定是《以弗所书》。这还在继续。从永恒中,他在自己里面包含了受造物预先存在的道。现在,这些道并不是与道分离或不同的任何东西。道是一,在他自己里面他包含了受造物的所有原则,但在道里面它们是无差别的。它们在他里面不是多的。它们只是从我们的角度来看才成为多的,因为它们在受造物的多样性中找到了自我表达。人们说当你还是个孩子的时候,哦,上帝对你有一个计划。有点像那样。这就是道。每个受造物都有其在神圣中的起源,以及它的终局,它在神圣中的目的。这就是那个计划。它被创造出来时具有达到那个目的的自然能力。所以从永恒中,他在自己里面包含了受造物预先存在的道。当他在他的善意中,从无中形成了可见和不可见世界的本体时,他是基于这些道来做的。有些人描述,奥古斯丁将这些描述为上帝心中的理念,几乎像柏拉图的理念或柏拉图的形式,成为受造世界的蓝图。希腊教父们并不完全使用那种语言,但知道这一点是有帮助的,因为它有点像那样。但它们不是柏拉图的形式或理念。是道本身包含了一切的丰满,在他自己里面是无差别的,但从受造物的角度来看时是有差别的。

By his word and his wisdom he created and continues to create all things, universals as well as particulars, at the appropriate time. We believe, for example, that a Logos, a principle, an idea, something within the divine, a Logos of angels preceded and guided their creation. And the same holds true for each of the beings and powers that fill the world above us. He’s talking about the angels. A logos of human beings likewise preceded their creation. And in order not to speak of particulars, a logos preceded the creation of everything that has received its being from God. These are the divine paradigms of creatures. You can also understand these as the divine wills. The eternal will that God had to create absolutely every single thing that has ever existed, that exists now, that will ever exist. It’s not as if 100 years from now God is going to think of new things to bring into being. It was all there, not simply from the moment of creation, but before creation. Co-eval with the Trinity itself. Think about that, the idea of yourself, the principle of yourself, your ground in God. It was there from the beginning, because in the beginning was the Logos as we saw a moment ago. It’s an extraordinary thing. That is our cause, that is our source, that is our divine origin, it is our alpha, but it’s also our omega, because we came from there but we’re also returning, that’s where we’re also headed, because it goes beyond the regular logic of time and space, it’s our beginning and it’s our end. We came to the end of that. Another one now, this just continues. We believe that He Himself, by virtue of His infinite transcendence, is ineffable and incomprehensible, and exists beyond all creation, and beyond all the differences and distinctions which exist and can be conceived of within it. We also believe that the same One is manifested, and here’s the word, multiplied, He says it. The same One, God the Logos, is manifested and multiplied in all the things that have their origin in Him, in a manner appropriate to the being of each as befits His goodness. So it does sound terribly sort of pantheistic or Hinduistic or Hindu to say that God is self-multiplied in the world. But if said and understood with the proper qualifications, it’s not Hinduism or panentheism or Meister Eckhart or Neoplatonism or what have you. It is the theology of the church, which allows for a kind of absolute presence of God in the created world without confusing God and creation and without destroying creation by that presence and at the same time allowing for God to be radically transcendent. So radically imminent and radically transcendent at the same time. Fully and completely present in God’s own self to every blade of grass, every tree, every stone, every cloud, but at the same time, which is why Dionysius says that God is all things in everything and nothing in anything. All things in everything, but no thing, no particular thing in any one thing. Do you get that? All things in everything, but nothing in anything. Everywhere and nowhere in a sense. Everywhere in the sense of his imminence, nowhere in the sense of his transcendence. Radically present, radically absent. Radically imminent, radically transcendent. It’s not simply a kind of a koan or a mind game. There’s no other way you can have it. Otherwise you end up with a God who’s confused with matter. Or a kind of a Buddhist absorption into the divine. The material world becomes an illusion, that it’s just sort of absorbed into the divine on the last day. Here we want to have it both ways and we do. The full absolute reality of creation to which the divine is totally present without compromise on either side. Another one now. And he recapitulates all things in himself, for it is owing to him that all things exist and remain in existence. And it is from him that all things came to be in a certain way and for a certain reason, and whether they are stationary or in motion, participate in God. For by virtue of the fact that all things have their being from God, they participate in God in a manner appropriate and proportionate to each, whether by intellect, by reason, by sensation, by vital motion, or by some essential faculty or habitual fitness. These are technical terms from Aristotle, by the way, according to the great theologian Dionysius Theriopagite. That is to say what I’ve already said, that God is not present to all things in exactly the same way. He’s present to rational creatures as the ground of their reason. He’s present to living things like plants and so on as the life of their life. He’s present to things like rocks or other kinds of things like that, simply as the being of their being or the existence of their existence. That’s what he means when he says that in a manner appropriate to each. It would be inappropriate for God to reveal himself to a dog, let’s say, in the same way that he reveals himself to a prophet. There are different modalities of presence that God has that are proportionate and appropriate to the different levels of creation. So that every creature participates fully in God, absolutely fully in God, in a way that is appropriate to each. Do you follow me? That’s why he has to say that. So it’s not as if, well I’m a dog and I’m a little angry because I found out that human beings participate in God in a way, they get more God than I do because they’ve got, no. Iris, the dog, the creature without reason or what have you, participates in God in a manner that is full and perfect and appropriate to that creature. And so on with human beings, with angels and what have you. We could all go to the beach. That’s probably a very bad analogy to use here in Alaska.

借由他的道和智慧,他创造了并继续创造万物,无论是共相还是殊相,都在适当的时间。例如,我们相信,一个道,一个原则,一个理念,某种神圣事物之内的东西,一个天使的道,先于并引导了他们的受造。对于我们之上的世界所充满的每一个存在和力量,也是如此。他指的是天使。人类的道同样先于他们的受造。为了不谈论殊相,一个道先于一切从上帝那里获得其存在之物的受造。这些是受造物的神圣范式。你也可以将这些理解为上帝的旨意。上帝为了创造绝对每一件曾经存在、现在存在、将来会存在的事物而拥有的永恒旨意。这并不是说100年后上帝会想出新的东西来使其存在。这一切都在那里,不仅仅是从受造的那一刻起,而是在受造之前。与三位一体本身同寿。想想看,你自己的理念,你自己的原则,你在上帝中的根基。它从一开始就在那里,因为正如我们刚才所看到的,太初有道。这是一件非凡的事。那是我们的原因,那是我们的源头,那是我们的神圣起源,它是我们的阿尔法,但它也是我们的欧米伽,因为我们从那里来,但我们也在回归,那也是我们要去的地方,因为它超越了时间和空间的常规逻辑,它是我们的开始,也是我们的结束。我们讲完了那一点。现在看另一个,这只是继续。我们相信,他本身,凭借其无限的超越性,是不可言说且不可理解的,存在于所有受造物之外,并超越存在于其中且可以在其中被构想的所有差异和区别。我们也相信,同一位,被彰显出来,这里是这个词,被繁衍了,他这么说的。同一位,上帝之道,在所有源于他的事物中被彰显和繁衍,其方式适合每一个事物的存在,正如他的良善所宜。所以说上帝在世界中自我繁衍,听起来确实非常像泛神论或印度教。但如果在适当的限定下说出并理解,它就不是印度教、万有在神论、埃克哈特大师、新柏拉图主义或诸如此类的东西。这是教会的神学,它允许上帝在受造世界中有一种绝对的同在,既不混淆上帝与受造物,也不因这种同在而摧毁受造物,同时允许上帝具有彻底的超越性。因此,同时具有彻底的内在性和彻底的超越性。以上帝自己的身份完全且完整地同在于每一片草叶、每一棵树、每一块石头、每一朵云,但与此同时,这就是为什么狄奥尼修斯说上帝在万物中是一切,而在任何事物中什么也不是。在万物中是一切,但在任何一个事物中没有任何事物,没有任何特定的事物。你明白吗?在万物中是一切,但在任何事物中什么也不是。在某种意义上,无处不在又无处可寻。无处不在是指他的内在性,无处可寻是指他的超越性。彻底的同在,彻底的缺席。彻底的内在,彻底的超越。这不仅仅是一种公案或心智游戏。没有其他方法可以做到这一点。否则你最终会得到一个与物质混淆的上帝。或者一种佛教式的被神性吸收。物质世界变成了一种幻觉,在最后一天就这样被吸收到神性中。在这里,我们希望两者兼得,而且我们做到了。受造物具有完全绝对的现实性,神性完全同在于其中,任何一方都不妥协。现在看另一个。他将万物在自己里面总括,因为万物之所以存在并继续存在,都是因为他。万物也是以某种方式并因某种原因从他而来,无论它们是静止还是运动,都参与上帝。因为万物从上帝那里获得其存在的事实,它们以适合并成比例于各自的方式参与上帝,无论是通过理智、理性、感觉、生命运动,还是通过某种本质能力或习惯性适应。顺便说一下,根据伟大的神学家狄奥尼修斯,这些是亚里士多德的技术术语。也就是说我已经说过的,上帝并非以完全相同的方式同在于万物。他作为理性的根基同在于理性的受造物。他作为生命之生命同在于植物等生物。他作为存在之存在或存在之存在同在于岩石或类似的事物。这就是他所说的“以适合各自的方式”的意思。比方说,上帝以向先知显现的同样方式向狗显现自己是不合适的。上帝有不同的同在模态,这些模态与受造物的不同层次成比例且相适应。因此,每一个受造物都完全参与上帝,绝对完全地参与上帝,其方式适合于每一个受造物。你跟上我的思路了吗?这就是为什么他必须这么说。所以并不是说,好吧,我是一只狗,我有点生气,因为我发现人类以某种方式参与上帝,他们得到的上帝比我多,因为他们有……不。艾里斯,这只狗,这个没有理性或诸如此类的受造物,以一种对该受造物来说完全、完美且适当的方式参与上帝。人类、天使等等也是如此。我们都可以去海滩。在阿拉斯加这里用这个比喻可能非常糟糕。

But we could all lie on the sand of the beach and above us is the sun, and there might be a hundred people on the beach. And no one is thinking, if a few of these people would leave, I would have more sun. Everybody on that beach feels the total presence of the sun to him or herself. Nobody feels that their experience of the sun is diminished because there are other people on the beach. You go to some of these beaches in the summertime, there are thousands of people there. Nobody can play unless someone gets in the way. But if everybody’s receiving the light of the sun, the sun is present. The light, physical light, it’s a created thing. Physical light has the ability to be present to a multiplicity of objects without diminishing itself, without fragmenting itself. It remains one while distributing itself to, and everybody receives it in the way they can. The guy with the olive skin, maybe he’s drinking it up in one way and someone else only stays out for a few minutes and so on. It’s the same sun; we all receive it without its fragmentation or loss or reduction. This is, think of God as giving himself to creation in this way and bringing beings into existence. They all receive the same light. They all receive the same grace. They all receive the same gift of being and existence, but in ways, in manners, in modalities that are appropriate to each and every one. Which is to say, just so there are no doubts, that all human beings have the same access to God. It doesn’t matter age, gender, anything, nothing like that. We’re all one class of beings in a sense. So there’s no, it’s not that the bishop receives more, he’s a human being too, or the lay person, or in so far as we are human beings, we all have been given the same capacity to receive the grace of God, without exception. The difference is because of us. The difference comes in to the extent that our will either inclines or declines in relation to the divine. Okay, so I think we can go to the next one. It follows then that each of the intellective and rational beings, that’s fancy theological talk for angels and human beings. Intellectual and rational beings, whether angels or men, there it is. Insofar as it has been created in accordance with the logos that exists and with God, is and is called a portion of God. You see that phrase in quotes, that was the difficult passage in Gregory. Gregory had said that we are portions of God that have slipped down from above. Uh-oh, that sounds like Gnosticism or New Age thinking or little pieces or fragments or parts of God that fell down from, well Gregory can’t mean that. So all of this is a way to put Gregory’s phrase in the right context. So in as much as these things are true, we can be called a portion of God precisely because of that logos, which as we said, pre-exists in God. If such a being moves according to its logos, it comes to be in God, in whom its logos of being pre-exists as its origin and cause. Movement and motion is very important for Maximus, because God simply does not create beings. He creates beings and empowers them with a kind of a dynamism. Movement is not locomotion here. It’s not physical motion from point A to point B. It’s spiritual motion. Where is your life going? What is the quality of your prayer life like? God has given us this power of spiritual motion to return to him. That’s why if such a being moves according to its logos, if it moves according to the nature that God gave it, which picks up on some of the moral themes that we heard about earlier, because all of those lapses in morality are movements contrary to nature. The types of things that we heard were human lives that are not moving according to the Logos, according to which they were created. They’re transgressing it, they’re going against it, they’re perverting it, they’re doing something other than, they’re doing violence essentially to the nature that God gave them. A little more? As long as it wishes and yearns to know nothing apart from its own origin, nothing other than God, it does not flow away from God, but rather in its upward movement toward God, it becomes God, and is said to be a portion of God, through its proper mode of participation in God. Because according to nature and through a properly ordered movement, it attains its own origin and cause. He’s talking about the process of divinization, the movement and return to God, having nowhere else to be moved besides its own beginning, or beyond the ascent and restoration to the Logos according to which it was created. It’s another way of talking about image and likeness. We have the image, we’ve lost the likeness. Move closer to God, we restore that likeness. It’s a philosophical way of talking about it in terms of spiritual movement or spiritual motion. To which it was created, nor any other way of being moved, since its movement toward the divine goal clearly takes as its final limit the divine goal itself. More, there’s more here. Another one. In God, the Logoi of all things are steadfastly fixed, and it is on the basis of these that God is said to know all things before they come into being. That was something else we heard earlier today. For in absolute truth, in Him and with Him are all things, even though all things, things present and things to come, were not called into existence simultaneously with their Logoi or with their being known by God. Instead, in the wisdom of the Creator, individual things were created at the appropriate moment in time in a manner consistent with their logoi, and thus they received in themselves actual existence as beings. Can we see the next slide? There’s a ninth one, another one.

但是我们可以都躺在沙滩的沙子上,头顶上是太阳,沙滩上可能有一百个人。没有人在想,如果这些人中有几个离开,我就能得到更多的阳光。沙滩上的每个人都感觉到太阳完全临在于他或她自己。没有人觉得因为有其他人在沙滩上,自己对太阳的体验就减少了。夏天你去这些沙滩,那里有成千上万的人。除非有人挡道,否则没人能玩耍。但如果每个人都在接受太阳的光芒,太阳就是临在的。光,物理的光,是一种受造物。物理的光有能力临在于多重客体而不减少自身,不分裂自身。它保持为一,同时将自己分配出去,每个人都以他们能接受的方式接受它。那个橄榄色皮肤的人,也许他以一种方式吸收它,而另一个人只在外面待几分钟,等等。这是同一个太阳;我们都接受它,而它没有分裂、损失或减少。这就是,想象上帝以这种方式将自己赐予受造物,并使存在物产生。他们都接受同样的光。他们都接受同样的恩典。他们都接受同样的存在和实存的礼物,但方式、方法和形态适合于每一个人。也就是说,毫无疑问,所有人类都有同样的途径接近上帝。年龄、性别或其他任何东西都不重要,完全没有这回事。在某种意义上,我们都是同一类的存在物。所以没有,不是说主教接受的更多,他也是一个人,或者平信徒,或者就我们是人而言,我们都被赋予了同样的能力来接受上帝的恩典,无一例外。差异是因为我们自己。差异的产生取决于我们的意志在对待神圣事物时是倾向还是背离。好的,我想我们可以看下一个了。

那么由此可知,每一个有理智和理性的存在物——这是对天使和人类的神学高深说法。有理智和理性的存在物,无论是天使还是人,就在这里。就其按照存在于上帝之中的道被造而言,它是并且被称为上帝的一部分。你看到引号里的那个短语,那是格列高利中一段难懂的经文。格列高利曾说我们是自高处滑落的上帝的一部分。哦哦,这听起来像诺斯替主义或新纪元思想,或者是上帝掉落下来的小碎片或部分,好吧,格列高利不可能是指那个意思。所以这一切都是将格列高利的短语置于正确语境中的方法。既然这些事情是真实的,我们就可以被称为上帝的一部分,正是因为那个道,正如我们所说,它预先存在于上帝之中。如果这样一个存在物按照它的道移动,它就会进入上帝之中,在上帝里面,它存在的道作为它的起源和原因预先存在。运动和移动对马克西姆来说非常重要,因为上帝不仅仅是创造受造物。他创造受造物并赋予它们一种动力。这里的运动不是移动。它不是从A点到B点的物理运动。它是属灵的运动。你的生命走向何方?你的祷告生活品质如何?上帝赐予我们这种属灵运动的能力来归向他。这就是为什么如果这样一个存在物按照它的道移动,如果它按照上帝赋予它的本性移动,这就呼应了我们早先听到的一些道德主题,因为所有那些道德上的过失都是违背本性的运动。我们听到的那种事情是人的生命没有按照他们被造时所依据的道来移动。他们在违背它,在对抗它,在扭曲它,在做其他的事情,本质上是在对上帝赋予他们的本性施加暴力。

再来一点?只要它愿意并渴望除了自己的起源之外一无所知,除了上帝之外别无所求,它就不会从上帝那里流失,相反,在它向上帝向上的运动中,它成为上帝,并被称为上帝的一部分,通过它参与上帝的适当方式。因为按照本性并通过正确有序的运动,它达到了自己的起源和原因。他在谈论神化的过程,即向上帝的运动和回归,除了自己的起点之外,或者除了按照它被造时所依据的道上升和恢复之外,没有其他地方可以移动。这是谈论形象和样式的另一种方式。我们拥有形象,却失去了样式。向上帝移动得更近,我们就恢复了那种样式。这是一种用属灵运动或属灵移动来谈论它的哲学方式。它被造时所趋向的,也没有任何其他移动的方式,因为它向神圣目标的移动显然以神圣目标本身为最终界限。还有,这里还有更多。另一个。在上帝里面,万物的道被坚定地固定着,正是基于这些道,据说上帝在万物存在之前就认识它们。这是我们今天早些时候听到的另一件事。因为在绝对的真理中,在祂里面并与祂同在的是万物,尽管万物,现在的事物和将来的事物,并没有与它们的道或与它们被上帝认识同时被呼召存在。相反,在创造者的智慧中,个别事物在适当的时间以符合其道的方式被创造,从而在自身中接受了作为存在物的实际存在。我们可以看下一张幻灯片吗?还有第九个,另一个。

And that’s the last one. I think we didn’t get to the second major text. We have about seven minutes. This was a lot to go through, and I think this is probably a good place to open up the floor to questions, hopefully about the things that we’ve talked about here. I know it’s complicated. I know it’s difficult. But this is the time to ask questions for clarification. Yes, Father, is it Robert? Yes. This is the difficult passage at issue here, from St. Gregory’s 14th oration. And this is on love for the poor. And it’s a very lengthy oration that we think St. Gregory probably delivered at the ribbon cutting for a philanthropic institution of St. Basil, which has the theme on the love for the poor. And in the course of this lengthy oration, there is this phrase that we are portions of God. It’s almost like fragments of God that slipped down from above. Problematic, right? Because it sounds like originism. And not to mention the other kinds of things that we noted. Okay, yes. Well, this is really the heart of the matter. The Logos is the Son of God, is the second person of the Trinity. It’s the Word of God, who in himself is absolutely single and simple and not composed of parts or pieces or anything like that at all, right? Yet… Well, let’s put it in terms of a question. How does this one radically simple, radically transcendent God relate to finite, multiple composite creatures? How do you bridge that gap? Is it the author and the text, which we said is two separable? Are we like a clock that God made and wound up? Or is it the text and the meaning thing? Again, it goes back to the idea of participation in the Greek philosophical tradition. And the Greeks knew that things were beautiful. This rose is beautiful. That architectural form is beautiful. That painting is beautiful. That face is beautiful. Well, how are all of these things beautiful? And what is beauty? Is there some sort of ultimate beauty in which all of these things, here’s the word, participate or share? I understand that to be beautiful or this is beautiful. Okay. Tell me then, what is the ultimate criterion of beauty that you have on the basis of which you say that this or that particular beauty is beautiful? What is that? It must exist somewhere, right? What is the ultimate absolute source or category or form of the beautiful in the light of which you understand created particulars to be beautiful? That was Plato’s question. And this is how he came up with the idea of the forms. Somewhere in some divine sort of dimension or realm or level of reality, there is something that is the beautiful. And in that beauty, all things share or participate. Or to look at it differently, that one beauty. That archetypical beauty is the cause of all the other beauties, which are the effects of it. There’s lots of different images. The light image is one. The light reflected in the mirror is another. The image of the seal, which is the deeply Christian image in baptism, the seal inscribes its beautiful form on the clay or the inert matter and gives it its beautiful shape, right? And the matter will correspond to that beautiful shape depending on its degree of malleability and so on. So the question is again, how do finite particular things share in God? How do they participate in God? And the answer is that the Logos gives himself in a sense to particular beings, but they don’t exist without him. He brings them into existence by making them to share in himself. Do you follow me? And that presence of the divine, that beauty that creatures have, that splendor that creatures have, that truth that creatures have, is something that’s not theirs. It’s something that they participate in, it’s something that they share in. And that sharing, that participation, is God’s presence to that thing in a manner appropriate to that thing. Do you follow me? I talked about that earlier. And that mode of communion that God has with you and with me and with the tree and with whatever it is, that’s what we’re calling the Logoi. And these are multiple. Bless you. These are multiple. Is there a Logos for a sneeze? I don’t know. And those Logoi are multiple. The one Logos self-multiplies because creation is multiple. Creation is diverse. Creation is filled with many distinctions. And God is present. The one God is present to all of these things in ways that are appropriate to each. And that mode of presence is what we call the Logoi. I don’t know if I can make it any simpler than that, but I’ll try if I need to. Is Logoi the plural? The plural of Logos, yeah. In Greek it’s Logi, or Logos and Logi. But I say Logoi. For some reason I revert to Erasme in pronunciation here. I don’t know why. It’s just clearer. The Logoi. The singular is Logos, and the plural is Logoi. And he says the many are the one and the one is the many and, right? It just depends on sort of what perspective you’re looking at them at. But there is this mystery of the divine presence whereby God actively sort of makes himself present to creatures in a full and permanent way to their very natures, to their substances, to their beings, to… It’s a very, very robust and a very, very profound doctrine of creation. And all other theologies of creation are just so weak and so impoverished in comparison. So it was all of that, centuries of Greek philosophical speculation on the doctrine of participation, on the nature of beauty, on the nature of divine, taken up into the Christian tradition and subjected to centuries of maximus, this is after 600 years now, of Christian reflection on these questions and on these problems. So it’s really just the fruit of so much thought and of so much grace and of so much revelation, right? So, I go with you. There’s a guy way in the back and I kind of like the underdog, so we’ll go with him. He’s standing too, so that’s got to count for something. Yes, yes.

这是最后一段。我想我们没有讲到第二个主要文本。我们大约还有七分钟。刚才讲的内容很多,我想这可能是开放提问的好时机,希望是关于我们在这里讨论的内容。我知道这很复杂。我知道这很难。但现在是提出澄清性问题的时候了。是的,神父,是罗伯特吗?是的。

这就是这里讨论的难懂段落,出自圣格列高利的第14篇演说。这是关于关爱穷人的。这是一篇非常长的演说,我们认为圣格列高利可能是在圣巴西尔的一个慈善机构的剪彩仪式上发表的,其主题是关爱穷人。在这篇冗长的演说中,有这样一句话,说我们是上帝的一部分。这几乎就像是从上面滑落的上帝的碎片。有问题,对吧?因为这听起来像奥利金主义。更不用提我们注意到的其他那些东西了。

好的,是的。嗯,这确实是问题的核心。道是上帝之子,是三位一体的第二位格。它是上帝之道,其自身绝对是单一和简单的,根本不是由部分或碎片或任何类似的东西组成的,对吧?然而……好吧,让我们用一个问题来表达。这个绝对简单、绝对超越的上帝如何与有限的、多样的、复合的受造物发生关系?你如何弥合这种差距?是作者和文本吗,我们说过那是可以分开的?我们像上帝制造并上好发条的钟表吗?还是文本和意义那种关系?

再说一次,这要追溯到希腊哲学传统中参与的概念。希腊人知道事物是美丽的。这朵玫瑰是美丽的。那种建筑形式是美丽的。那幅画是美丽的。那张脸是美丽的。那么,所有这些东西怎么是美丽的呢?什么是美?是否存在某种终极的美,所有这些东西,用这个词来说,参与或分享其中?我明白那是美的,或者这是美的。好的。那么告诉我,你说这个或那个特定的美是美的,你所依据的美的终极标准是什么?那是什么?它一定存在于某个地方,对吧?你借以理解受造的殊相为美的,那终极绝对的美的源头、范畴或形式是什么?那是柏拉图的问题。这就是他如何想出形式理念的过程。在某个神圣的维度、领域或现实层面,存在着某种即是美的事物。在那美之中,万物分享或参与。或者换个角度看,那一个美。那原型的美是所有其他美的原因,而其他美是它的结果。有很多不同的意象。光的意象是一个。镜子中反射的光是另一个。印记的意象,这是洗礼中深刻的基督教意象,印记将美丽的形式刻在粘土或惰性物质上,并赋予它美丽的形状,对吧?而物质将根据其可塑性的程度等来对应那个美丽的形状。

所以问题又来了,有限的具体事物如何分享上帝?它们如何参与上帝?答案是,道在某种意义上将自己赐予具体的存在物,但没有他它们就不存在。他通过使它们分享他自己而将它们带入存在。你跟上我的思路了吗?而那种神圣的同在,受造物所拥有的那种美,受造物所拥有的那种光辉,受造物所拥有的那种真理,并不是它们自己的东西。那是它们参与其中的东西,那是它们分享的东西。而那种分享,那种参与,就是上帝以适合该事物的方式同在于该事物。你明白吗?我之前谈过这个。上帝与你、与我、与树或与任何事物共融的那种模式,就是我们所说的“众道”。这些是多重的。保佑你。这些是多重的。打喷嚏有道吗?我不知道。那些道是多重的。一个道自我繁衍,因为受造物是多重的。受造物是多样的。受造物充满了许多区别。而上帝是同在的。独一的上帝以适合每一个事物的方式同在于所有这些事物。而那种同在的模式就是我们所说的“众道”。我不知道我能不能把它说得更简单,但如果需要的话我会尝试的。Logoi是复数吗?Logos的复数,是的。在希腊语中是Logi,或者Logos和Logi。但我读作Logoi。出于某种原因,我在这里的发音又回到了伊拉斯谟式。我不知道为什么。只是更清楚一点。众道。单数是道,复数是众道。他说多即是一,一即是多,对吧?这仅仅取决于你从什么角度来看待它们。但确实存在这种神圣同在的奥秘,上帝以充分和永久的方式,积极地在受造物的本性、本体、存在中使自己同在于受造物……这是一种非常非常有力且非常非常深刻的受造物教义。相比之下,所有其他的受造物神学都显得如此薄弱和贫乏。所以这一切,几个世纪以来希腊哲学对参与教义、对美的本质、对神圣本质的思辨,被吸收到基督教传统中,并经受了几个世纪的马克西姆——这已经是600年之后了——基督教对这些问题和难题的反思。所以它确实是如此多的思想、如此多的恩典和如此多的启示的果实,对吧?所以,我选你。后面有个人,我有点喜欢处于劣势的人,所以我们就选他。他也站着,所以这应该算数。是的,是的。

Yeah, no, of course not. But, well, yes and no. Which reminds me of a funny story. When I was working at the Archdiocese many years ago as a layman, they were just getting computerized at that point. I had a computer on my desk and I didn’t know how to use it, and somebody from IT came. Already in those days they had a reputation for being a little patronizing, right? So I called the IT guy in and I said, well, I need to do this, this, this. Can I perform this operation on my computer? And he says, well, he says, yes and no. For you, no. Okay, I get it. Okay, so here, if we back up a minute and look at Saint Maximus’ notion of the universe. At the center of God’s creation is the human being. Because the human being is not simply the summation and the recapitulation of the created order, which is why Adam and Eve are created last. As Saint John Chrysostom says, God creates their royal palace first, and then he brings in the king and the queen, who are also the royal priests over creation. So human beings are actually not simply the summation, in the sense of recapitulating all the lower orders. Because we are physical beings, we have the existence of the rock. Because we grow, we recapitulate the growth of, let’s say, the vegetative realm. We have mind and sensation and so forth. So all of the lower physical and animal and sense-perceptible forms of creation are recapitulated in the human person. But it’s beyond that. Why? Because the human person is also a link between creation. We recapitulate creation within ourselves, but we also have a capacity to participate in the divine world. So man, to use the generic category, the human being is the link. It’s not simply the summation of creation, but it’s the link between the material and the spiritual. So it is through, this is Maximus’ notion, that Adam had a priestly calling, and that God made Adam the priest of creation. And Adam’s goal was to, like we say, thine own of thine own, these we offer to you. Adam’s call was to return, was to recapitulate, was to sort of Eucharistically offer the created world back to the Creator. As the link, as the linchpin, as the bond between these two worlds, this was part of God’s plan to unify the material and the spiritual in human life and ultimately in Christ. Adam, of course, failed in his priestly vocation and did not return the gifts of creation to the Creator, but kept them for himself. And hence the whole domino effect, everything just collapsed at that point. And St. Maximus and other church fathers talk about the fall as a transfer of spiritual energy now to a kind of biological animal level, right? And hence the passions that we heard about earlier today. And the desire that God gave me for the infinite, I’m now trying to, is the word slake or sate, with finite things. And Maximus says that God has given us a capacity, an infinite desiring capacity in the face of which no finite thing can ever satisfy us. An infinite desiring capacity in the face of which no finite thing can ever satisfy us, right? We still haven’t figured this out. We still think, if I can just add one more acre or one more car or a better haircut or whatever it is, right? This is how our society sort of brainwashes us too, of course. So yes, those things, because they are material, the rocks and the trees and everything else, and think we do offer the elements of creation, right, on the altar table, right? From grapes, from wheat, and so on. So they’re there, they’re put on the holiest place of the church. And we invoke God’s blessing on them, right? So yes, all of those things are recapitulated in and through the human person, which is why, well, I’ll leave that out, recapitulated through the human person and through us, offered to God in this kind of Eucharistic motion, which is God’s plan for the divinization of the world. Long answer to your question, but it was a good question. So, yes. Is it Andrew? Okay. Leading to? About God? What do you mean exactly by anthropomorphism here though? Yeah, I mean, if I understand your question, perhaps the best thing to do is to just go back to the text of Genesis, and what is the promise of the serpent? What is the devil’s temptation to Adam and Eve in the garden? Okay? To be God without God, right? In other words, that’s another kind of divinization, isn’t it? That’s not a divinization at all, it’s a self-divinization. It’s the human being trying to become divine, omnipotent, omniscient, all these things, apart from God, without God. So I think that, is that what you’re saying? Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. No question about that. In fact, one of the key words that St. Maximus uses here, he sees this as really the cause of the fall, is a Greek word, philaftia, which means love of the self. Self-love. Which he even understands to be not simply a love of the idea of myself, that’s part of it, but it’s actually even baser than that, because it’s man’s love for his own body. That became a greater value to human beings and is a greater value to us than just about anything else. Think of what you would do to save your skin, right? And just think of how enamored we are of the flesh in a sense. And look at the world that we’ve created for ourselves. It’s very much a world that’s almost psychotically fixated on carnality in the body and so forth. And again, part of that transfer of spiritual energy to a kind of biological plane or level is an inversion of the proper order. Because the idea is that sensation is to be taken up by sense perception, and the concepts that we acquire through sensation and through sense perception are to be taken up into reason, and ultimately into the intellect or the noose or the mind or the heart. So that there has to be a kind of hierarchy in a sense.

是的,不,当然不是。但是,嗯,既是又不是。这让我想起一个有趣的故事。多年前当我还是平信徒在总教区工作时,他们那时刚开始电脑化。我桌上有一台电脑,但我不知道怎么用,于是IT部门来了个人。即使在那个年代,他们就已经有了有点居高临下的名声,对吧?所以我叫IT人员进来,我说,嗯,我需要做这个、这个、这个。我能在我的电脑上执行这个操作吗?他说,嗯,他说,既是又不是。对你来说,不行。好吧,我明白了。

好吧,那么在这里,如果我们退后一分钟,看看圣马克西姆关于宇宙的概念。上帝的受造物的中心是人类。因为人类不仅仅是受造秩序的总和与概括,这就是为什么亚当和夏娃是最后被造的。正如金口约翰所说,上帝首先创造了他们的皇宫,然后他带入了国王和王后,他们也是受造物的皇家祭司。所以人类实际上不仅仅是总和,即概括所有较低层次的意思。因为我们是物质存在,我们拥有岩石的存在。因为我们生长,我们概括了,比方说,植物界的生长。我们有心灵、感觉等等。因此,所有较低的物理、动物和感官可感知的受造形式都在人身上得到了概括。但这还不止于此。为什么?因为人也是受造物之间的纽带。我们在自身内概括受造物,但我们也有能力参与神圣的世界。所以人,使用这个通用类别,人类是纽带。它不仅仅是受造物的总和,而是物质与精神之间的纽带。

因此,通过——这是马克西姆的概念——亚当有一个祭司的呼召,上帝使亚当成为受造物的祭司。亚当的目标是,就像我们说的,你自己的出于你自己的,我们将这些献给你。亚当的呼召是回归,是概括,是以某种圣体圣事的方式将受造世界献给创造者。作为纽带,作为关键,作为这两个世界之间的结合,这是上帝计划的一部分,旨在将物质和精神在人类生活中统一起来,并最终在基督里统一起来。当然,亚当在他的祭司职分上失败了,没有将受造物的礼物归还给创造者,而是留给了自己。因此产生了整个多米诺骨牌效应,一切都在那一刻崩塌了。圣马克西姆和其他教父谈到堕落时,将其视为属灵能量转移到一种生物学动物层面,对吧?因此就有了我们今天早些时候听到的情欲。而上帝赐予我对无限的渴望,我现在正试图——用“解渴”还是“满足”这个词呢——用有限的事物来满足。马克西姆说,上帝赋予了我们一种能力,一种无限的渴望能力,面对这种能力,没有任何有限的事物能够满足我们。一种无限的渴望能力,面对这种能力,没有任何有限的事物能够满足我们,对吧?我们仍然没有弄明白这一点。我们仍然认为,如果我能再多一英亩地、多一辆车、或者剪个更好的发型,或者别的什么,对吧?当然,这也是我们的社会对我们进行洗脑的方式。

所以是的,那些事物,因为它们是物质的,岩石、树木和其他一切,想想我们确实在祭坛上献上受造物的元素,对吧?从葡萄,从麦子,等等。所以它们在那里,它们被放在教会最神圣的地方。我们祈求上帝的祝福降临在它们上面,对吧?所以是的,所有这些事物都在人身上并通过人得到概括,这就是为什么——好吧,我就不提那个了——通过人并通过我们得到概括,在这种圣体圣事的运动中献给上帝,这是上帝使世界神化的计划。对你的问题的一个长篇回答,但这是一个好问题。所以,是的。是安德鲁吗?好的。引向什么?关于上帝?不过你在这里说的拟人化到底是什么意思?

是的,我的意思是,如果我理解你的问题,也许最好的办法就是回到创世记的文本,蛇的承诺是什么?魔鬼在园子里对亚当和夏娃的诱惑是什么?好吗?在没有上帝的情况下成为上帝,对吧?换句话说,那是另一种神化,不是吗?那根本不是神化,那是自我神化。这是人类试图脱离上帝、没有上帝而成为神圣、全能、全知等等。所以我想,这是你说的意思吗?是的。完全正确。完全正确。毫无疑问。

事实上,圣马克西姆在这里使用的一个关键词,他认为这实际上是堕落的原因,是一个希腊词,philaftia,意思是爱自己。自爱。他甚至认为这不仅仅是对自我概念的爱,那是其中一部分,但实际上甚至比这更卑劣,因为它是人对自己身体的爱。这对人类来说成为了一个更大的价值,并且对我们来说是一个比几乎任何其他事物都更大的价值。想想你会为了保全自己而做什么,对吧?再想想在某种意义上我们对肉体是多么着迷。看看我们为自己创造的世界。它在很大程度上是一个几乎精神错乱般地执着于属肉体和身体等等的世界。再说一次,属灵能量转移到某种生物层面或水平的一部分,是正当秩序的颠倒。因为其理念是,感觉将被感知所吸收,我们通过感觉和感知获得的概念将被吸收到理性中,并最终进入理智或心灵或心智或心中。因此,在某种意义上必须有一种等级制度。

That sensation is subject to sense perception. Sense perception is subject to reason, reason is subject to the spirit, and the spirit is subject to God. With us, it’s the reverse. Everything is subject to sensation. And the mind, and St. Maximus says this, at a very young age, reason and the intellect, the mind, the self, becomes addicted to and enslaved to sensations. And you do that once, you do it a second time, you become habituated into, and you become a slave to whatever your passion is. So there’s a total inversion of the, sort of that human ecstasy is to rise from sensation through reason up into, this is a total turning upside down of what God has established. And we know, everybody loves pleasant sensations, everybody loves to feel good. Everybody loves good food or a good glass of wine or something like that, but you know what happens when that takes over. Father Dmitri Stanilov, the famous Romanian theologian, speaks about this beautifully. A cup of wine is something that’s meant to be shared. Think of the Eucharist, ultimately. But a cup of wine is a beautiful thing. Think of the beautiful things the Psalms say about wine. A cup of wine gladdens the heart of man, and so on. Okay, if I have a cup of wine and I’m a dispassionate person, I can share it with you. But if I acquire a taste for wine, I’m going to keep it for myself now. I’m not going to share it with you. So I develop a passion for the alcoholic high. What happens now? Immediately, my relations with others begin to break down. It becomes very selfish now. I’m not interested in sharing my wine with you. When you’re going to come over and, remember in high school, kids would say, hey, you have a cigarette? And the kid had a pack of cigarettes in his pocket and he’d say, no, I don’t have any cigarettes. Because he didn’t want to share his cigarettes. So passion, passion by definition, is self-isolating, it’s destructive of community, and ultimately self-destructive too. And it enslaves the whole self. What is more pathetic? Think about Job who says, I hate my life. The person who hates his life is the person whose life has become enslaved to base material sensations. And they’re fun and they’re charming and they’re pleasant, but when they get their hooks in you, they keep you much longer than you intended to stay and take you much further than you wanted to go and try getting loose afterwards. I mean, the Church Fathers talk about passions. I think we use the language of addiction today. These are really addictions. They’re sicknesses of the soul. And ultimately, we are powerless to do anything. The good news is that we can’t do anything about this. As Elder Emiliano used to say that, when you’re impassioned, when you are subject to the passions, it’s like you’re all tied up. And when you’re all tied up, you can’t untie yourself. Someone’s got to come and untie you. We can struggle against them. Physically, cognitively, we’re always going to fall, we’re always going to fail. We need the grace of God. St. Paul, the famous passage from Romans, the thing that I don’t want to do, that’s what I do. The thing that I know to do, why don’t I do that? Paul’s living in this middle state between the pledge of God’s grace and the not yet of the fullness of the kingdom. And we’re in this kind of middle place of struggle and of asceticism, and we’re always going to fail. I mean, if we could conquer our passions, what would we need the grace of God for? So we suffer, we struggle, we fall. We get up, we fall again. We get up, we fall again. And I think the only point to all of that is for us to get to a point where we have to totally surrender and realize, you know something? I can’t do this based on my own inner resources. And that’s when you can turn to God and be receptive of his grace. You have to be totally broken down in a sense and realize your own abject incapacity. Sounds a little Calvinistic but it’s not. So anyway, I apologize. I had another… Thank you. I told somebody there’s a little story from the monastery. And we all have the names of different saints. And when it’s the saints feast day, of course, they put a little treat by your plate on the table. And people wish you many happy years and that sort of a thing. And some of that is an old kind of a monastic joke. And someone will say, happy name day or whatever. They’ll congratulate you. And one monk said once, he goes, One guy got the grace, all I got was the name. So our thanks always to God, and we should always sort of ascribe our joy and our appreciation to him. I apologize for not getting to that second text, but we’ll try to catch up tomorrow night. Patristic Nectar Publications presents The Life and Teaching of St. Maximus the Confessor by Fr. Maximus Simonopetridis. Lecture 5. The Theology of St. Maximus. Part 1. The Ambigua. How’s everybody? Good afternoon. I’m sorry. So this is the third of our four talks, and I think it’s fair to say that we’ve covered a lot of ground so far, and that was sort of part of the plan that I came in with, to just sort of toss out a lot of things, put a lot of things out there, knowing that the audience would be diverse, and in the hope that there’d be something for everyone, and also to give you a sense of the complexity or the richness of these disciplines and of these discourses and of the study of the Church Fathers. But because I did say so much, and a lot of information was given to you, and we haven’t quite had the time that I thought we might have had to ask and answer questions, I thought rather than launch into yet another complicated and difficult discussion, I’m willing to give, let’s say, a half hour if we need it, to just open up the floor and ask questions. Initially, primarily about the things we’ve been talking about, and if we move in different directions, that’s fine too, but

那种感觉受制于感官知觉。感官知觉受制于理性,理性受制于灵,而灵受制于上帝。对我们来说,情况恰恰相反。一切都受制于感觉。而且心灵——圣马克西姆说过,在很小的时候,理性、心智、心灵、自我,就会对感觉成瘾并成为感觉的奴隶。你做了一次,又做了一次,你就会养成习惯,并成为你任何情欲的奴隶。所以,这完全颠倒了——人类的狂喜本应从感觉通过理性上升……这是对上帝所确立之秩序的彻底颠覆。我们知道,每个人都喜欢愉悦的感觉,每个人都喜欢感觉良好。每个人都喜欢美食或一杯好酒之类的东西,但你知道当它占据主导时会发生什么。著名的罗马尼亚神学家迪米特里·斯坦尼洛夫神父对此有精彩的论述。一杯酒本应是用来分享的。最终可以想想圣体圣事。但一杯酒是一件美好的事物。想想《诗篇》中关于酒的美好描述。“酒能悦人心”,等等。好吧,如果我有一杯酒,而我是一个无欲的人,我可以和你分享。但如果我养成了对酒的嗜好,我现在就会把它留给自己。我不会和你分享。所以我培养了对酒精带来的兴奋感的情欲。现在会发生什么?立刻,我与他人的关系开始破裂。它变得非常自私。我没兴趣和你分享我的酒。当你走过来时,记得在高中时,孩子们会说,嘿,你有烟吗?而那个口袋里装着一包烟的孩子会说,不,我没有烟。因为他不想分享他的烟。所以情欲,顾名思义,是自我孤立的,它破坏群体,最终也会自我毁灭。它奴役了整个自我。还有什么比这更可悲的呢?想想约伯,他说,我厌恶我的生命。厌恶自己生命的人,就是其生命已沦为低级物质感觉奴隶的人。它们很有趣、很迷人、很令人愉悦,但当它们用钩子钩住你时,它们会让你停留的时间比你打算的要长得多,把你带得比你想要去的要远得多,然后再试着挣脱看看。我的意思是,教父们谈论情欲。我想我们今天使用成瘾的语言。这些确实是成瘾。它们是灵魂的疾病。最终,我们无能为力。好消息是我们对此无能为力。正如艾米利安长老过去常说的,当你充满情欲,当你受制于情欲时,就像你被完全绑住了一样。当你被完全绑住时,你无法解开自己。必须有人来为你解开。我们可以与它们抗争。在身体上、认知上,我们总是会跌倒,我们总是会失败。我们需要上帝的恩典。圣保罗,在《罗马书》中那段著名的经文,我不愿做的事,那就是我所做的。我知道该做的事,为什么我不做呢?保罗生活在这种中间状态,介于上帝恩典的应许和尚未完全的国度之间。我们也处于这种挣扎和苦修的中间地带,而我们总是会失败。我的意思是,如果我们可以征服我们的情欲,我们还需要上帝的恩典做什么?所以我们受苦,我们挣扎,我们跌倒。我们站起来,又跌倒。我们站起来,又跌倒。我认为这一切的唯一意义在于,让我们达到一个必须完全降服并认识到,你知道吗?我无法依靠自己内在的力量做到这一点。只有到那时,你才能转向上帝并接受他的恩典。在某种意义上,你必须被彻底击碎,并认识到自己可悲的无能为力。听起来有点加尔文主义,但并非如此。所以无论如何,我道歉。我还有另一个……谢谢。我告诉过某人一个来自修院的小故事。我们都有不同圣人的名字。当到了圣人的节日时,当然,他们会在桌上你的盘子旁放一点小点心。人们会祝你年年快乐之类的话。其中有些是一种古老的修院笑话。有人会说,命名日快乐之类的。他们会祝贺你。有一次一个修士说,他说,有一个人得到了恩典,而我只得到了名字。所以我们总是感谢上帝,我们应该始终将我们的喜乐和感激归于他。我为没能讲到第二段文本而道歉,但我们会尽量在明晚补上。教父甘露出版社呈现,由马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父主讲《认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导》。第五讲。圣马克西姆的神学。第一部分。《难题篇》。大家好吗?下午好。抱歉。所以这是我们四次讲座中的第三次,我认为可以公平地说,到目前为止我们已经涵盖了很多内容,这也是我带来的计划的一部分,就是把很多东西抛出来,提出很多东西,知道听众会是多样化的,并希望每个人都能找到适合自己的东西,同时也让你们感受到这些学科、这些论述以及教父学研究的复杂性或丰富性。但因为我说了这么多,给了你们很多信息,而我们还没有像我原以为的那样有时间来提问和回答问题,我想与其开始另一场复杂而艰难的讨论,我愿意给,比方说,半个小时,如果我们需要的话,来开放提问。最初,主要是关于我们一直在谈论的事情,如果我们转向不同的方向,那也没关系,但是

I think it’s a good idea to stop at this point and take stock, and if anyone has questions or comments or would like something clarified or wants to express outrage, this is the time to do it. Translation is, I wouldn’t call it a science, but it’s certainly an art, and it has a very long tradition obviously, and there are theories about translation that go back to antiquity, and in fact the ancient theories have, the ancients figured out, it’s basically the difference between, do you try to be faithful to the text at the cost of intelligibility in the new language, or do you try to almost write a new text? And I think that because this is a work of theology, because it’s also a very highly technical work, and it’s a work of doctrine, that there has to be a tremendous degree of faithfulness. I could make it easier, there’s that awful expression to dumb it down for readers, but you’re not giving them Saint Maximus. And English, every language has its own genius. And the genius of English is in very short sentences for the most part, concise, short sentences. This is not the genius of Greek, which delights in long sentences with multiple subordinate clauses, and it’s very complex, and there are all kinds of chiastic and other rhetorical structures that these trained writers can use. So what do you do at that point? Most translators of St. Maximus have opted to simplify his language, to break the long sentences into shorter ones and so on. But I disagree with that because there’s a train of thought. And I addressed this in the introduction to the translation because people such as yourself want to know what happened here. How did the translator do it? So I felt that the text is difficult. And working through it is something akin to a spiritual exercise. It requires focus. It requires attention. It requires not simply concentration or attention, but a particular quality of attention. And it’s very difficult at first because we don’t have that mind. We don’t have that quality of attention. We’re distracted. We want things pre-chewed and pre-digested. We take global historical political situations and reduce them to the most facile of good guy versus bad guy thing, right? And he said well this is where it counts, this is politics, this is war, and the simpler the better. So I felt that to have broken these long sentences down into shorter sentences would have made it more palatable to the reader, but it would have come at the cost of misrepresenting, not only misrepresenting the way the writer wanted you to experience the text, but the benefit to be derived from actually laboring a little bit, right, to enter into this kind of labyrinth, you’re always having to go back to check and to reread. So there’s that. The other thing is that there’s a lot of very technical language in here. Philosophical terms, let’s say, from Aristotle’s categories, or theological technical terms like hypostasis and so forth, and those have to be rendered in a very particular way and consistently throughout. So it was challenging because I wanted the reader to really have an experience of the text as it is, as a Greek reader would have it. But of course it also has to be readable. And in places this barely qualifies. If you work at it, it’s readable. But it’s not an easy read. That’s the difference. I didn’t make it easy, but it is readable. If you read it quickly, you’ll get lost, you’ll stumble, I lost my place. If you go back and keep track, I mean just translating it, you start at the top of the page and you’re working through it, and you’re like, what on earth is going on, what’s he talking about, where is this going? And you’re about halfway down the column, and you realize, okay, this is just the first half of On the One Hand. And then, so you really can’t translate the first part until you know what the second part is. There was a Roman Catholic theologian, now deceased, a Canadian, Bernard Lonergan, who wrote these very, almost Maximian kinds of works. And he actually has sentences that start, In the fourteenth place, which is a real compliment to the reader, right? You judge the reader able to maintain fourteen points as you’re reading. So we could say a lot more. Translation is a fascinating thing, it’s a difficult thing, it’s a complicated thing. The best book that I know about translation theory is by a fellow by the name of George Steiner, who’s kind of a literary theorist and a scholar. He’s written a book called After Babel, and it’s one of the best things on the philosophy of language and translation theory. And he says, interestingly, that translators don’t have methods. They only have narratives. So if you ask the translator, how did you translate this? I can’t give you a methodology, but I can tell you stories, narratives about how I did it. Because every work is different, every author is different, and you can have working principles, but at the end of the day it comes down to the story that you tell about how you translated the text. Okay. We have, yes.

我认为在这个时候停下来评估一下是个好主意,如果有人有问题、评论、希望澄清某些内容或想表达愤慨,现在是时候了。翻译,我不会称之为科学,但它绝对是一门艺术,显然它有着非常悠久的传统,关于翻译的理论可以追溯到古代,事实上古代的理论,古人已经弄清楚了,基本上就是两者之间的区别:你是试图以新语言的可读性为代价来忠实于文本,还是试图几乎重写一个新文本?我认为,因为这是一部神学著作,也是一部高度技术性的著作,而且是一部教义著作,所以必须具有极高的忠实度。我可以让它更容易些,有那个糟糕的表达叫“为读者降低难度”,但那样你就没有给他们真正的圣马克西姆。英语,每种语言都有其自身的特质。英语的特质在于大部分是非常短的句子,简洁、短促的句子。这不是希腊语的特质,希腊语喜欢带有多个从句的长句,非常复杂,而且这些受过训练的作家可以使用各种交错排列和其他修辞结构。那么在那种情况下你该怎么做?圣马克西姆的大多数译者都选择简化他的语言,将长句拆分成短句等等。但我不同意这种做法,因为这里有一条思维的脉络。我在翻译的导言中谈到了这一点,因为像你们这样的人想知道这里发生了什么。译者是怎么做的?所以我觉得文本很难。而通读它就像是一种灵修操练。它需要专注。它需要专注。它需要的不仅仅是集中注意力或专注,而是一种特定品质的专注。一开始非常困难,因为我们没有那种心灵。我们没有那种品质的专注。我们容易分心。我们想要别人替我们咀嚼和消化好的东西。我们把全球历史政治局势简化为最肤浅的好人对坏人的模式,对吧?他说,好吧,这才是关键所在,这是政治,这是战争,越简单越好。所以我觉得,把这些长句拆分成短句会让读者更容易接受,但代价是会歪曲,不仅歪曲了作者希望你体验文本的方式,而且也失去了通过稍微付出一点劳动而获得的益处,对吧,进入这种迷宫,你总是需要回头检查和重读。所以情况就是这样。另一件事是这里面有很多非常技术性的语言。比如来自亚里士多德范畴的哲学词汇,或者像位格等神学技术词汇,这些必须以非常特定的方式并在全文中保持一致地翻译出来。所以这很有挑战性,因为我希望读者能真正体验到文本的原貌,就像希腊语读者所体验到的那样。但当然,它也必须是可读的。在某些地方,它勉强算得上可读。如果你下功夫,它是可读的。但它不是一本容易读的书。这就是区别。我没有让它变得容易,但它是可读的。如果你读得快,你会迷失方向,你会绊倒,我连自己读到哪都忘了。如果你回头并保持跟踪,我的意思是在翻译它时,你从页面顶部开始,逐步往下看,你会想,到底发生了什么,他在说什么,这要引向哪里?当你读到栏目的中间时,你意识到,好吧,这只是“一方面”的前半部分。然后,所以你真的无法翻译第一部分,直到你知道第二部分是什么。有一位罗马天主教神学家,现已故,是加拿大人,伯纳德·隆根,他写过这些非常、几乎是马克西姆式的作品。他实际上有以“第十四点”开头的句子,这对读者来说是一种真正的赞美,对吧?你判断读者在阅读时能够保持记住十四个要点。所以我们还可以说很多。翻译是一件迷人的事,一件困难的事,一件复杂的事。我所知道的关于翻译理论最好的书是一个叫乔治·斯坦纳的人写的,他是一位文学理论家和学者。他写了一本叫《巴别塔之后》的书,这是关于语言哲学和翻译理论最好的著作之一。有趣的是,他说译者没有方法。他们只有叙事。所以如果你问译者,你是怎么翻译这个的?我无法给你一套方法论,但我可以告诉你故事,关于我是如何做到的叙事。因为每部作品都不同,每位作者都不同,你可以有工作原则,但归根结底,这取决于你讲述的关于你如何翻译文本的故事。好的。我们有,是的。

Right, well, we would say immediately that evil is not from God in any way, because if the evil that we find in human existence was from God, if the evil or the sinfulness that we associate with human nature, if that were from God, well, we wouldn’t be responsible for it, right? We wouldn’t be guilty of anything, we wouldn’t be, right? There’d be no… And if it’s nature, it’s not actually part of our free will anymore anyway. It’s a story about the old story about the frog and the scorpion. Do you know this one? And the scorpion wants to cross the river, but he can’t swim, so he approaches the frog and he says, gee, can I hop on your back and you can take me across the river? And the frog says, well, you’re a scorpion. If I do that, you’ll sting me and I’ll die. He says, no, I promise you, I won’t, I need to get across the river. Trust me, I won’t do anything to harm you. So the frog says, okay, the scorpion gets on the frog’s back and they’re going across the river. In the middle of the river, the scorpion starts stinging the frog. And the frog now is drowning and so is the scorpion, right? Because evil destroys itself ultimately. And the frog says, hey, wait a minute, I thought you said you weren’t going to do that. He goes, I’m sorry, because it’s my nature, right? So if evil was something on the level of nature, well then, it would be something that we’d… So for all of the church fathers, the Cappadocians, Basil, the two Gregories, St. Maximus for all of them. Evil arises as a result of really bad choices that people make, often based on poor judgments or misjudgments. So evil, we alone of God’s creatures have been given the power of free will, of free choice, of self-determination. Animals don’t sin, right? They might do things that look ghastly to us, but it’s not immoral, right? They’re simply acting instinctually. We don’t have that luxury in a sense. We are burdened with the gift of freedom, right? So we have to make decisions, we have to make choices, and we do the best we can, and things do go wrong. So it was by virtue of the gift of freedom that we received that evil things came and continue to come into the world. So there’s more to be said about that, but that’s sort of a thumbnail sketch of it. Also, evil in the context of the Logoi is that human nature has a Logos. Human nature has an inner principle, a spiritual principle. And that principle includes both its divine source, but also its divine end, the end for which God made it. So let’s say it’s the end of a bird to fly. Let’s say it’s the goal of a bird to fly. And if a bird doesn’t fly, that would be a failure, in a sense, for that creature to fulfill its nature. So, to the extent that human beings move, we talked about motion, right? Live, exist, to the extent that their modality of being is in conformity with their inner logos, which is ultimately God, right? Then there’s no evil. But the moment that we deviate from, when we move, the words that the church fathers use are motions by which they mean decisions in a sense and we would say maybe styles of life or habits of life or decisions impulses those kinds of things they can either be according to nature or they can be contrary to nature or unnatural let’s say and to move unnaturally to move to be in contradiction to yourself to be so self-divided like that is sinful and evil. Thank you. And it’s sinful because it’s really a failure of the potential that God has given us this potential to become like God and to become God, right? And the failure to realize that potential, that’s one definition of evil. Kind of a deformity in a sense, or a failure or a frustration for a thing to… I don’t know if anybody who’s worked in a garden, when the things don’t grow properly or when they die, I mean it’s a terrible pity, isn’t it, when you say it didn’t work out right. It wasn’t supposed to be that way. Right, because he did act, absolutely he did not, he moved contrary to his angelic nature. And he maintained his, the nature even of the devil is not evil. It’s his mind, it’s the motion of, it’s the freedom of his will that has become enslaved to evil. I actually have a short text on this that we’ll look at tomorrow. So, the question of evil is a very difficult one, obviously, and that’s maybe a brief answer to your question. We have, who has… Okay, yes, I’ll… Yesterday you said something I’ve never heard, but anyways, God has given us an infinite desiring capacity which no material thing can ever slake. Which no finite thing would say, an infinite, no finite thing can ever satisfy. So that was really interesting to me. Does that mean then that… You have to turn that desiring to the love of God. Absolutely. That’s what we’re supposed to do with that, as opposed to the love of cars, houses, clothes, da-da-da-da-da. Absolutely. So this is like an innate capacity that… That we’re supposed to start to love God with that? Yes. How do you do that? Oh, the first part is easy, the second part is more complicated. When the lawyer goes to Jesus in the Gospels and says, what is the greatest commandment, what does he say? You shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, and mind. I think the order there is important too. It doesn’t say mind first or even soul first. It’s heart first. And you think about the emphasis that the Orthodox spiritual tradition places on the heart. The heart is foregrounded right there in… I mean, Jesus is quoting from Deuteronomy there. So the first commandment is to love God with everything you’ve got. Heart, soul, mind. And there’s a second commandment. like unto it which is to love thy neighbor as thyself. So there it is right there.

对,我们会立刻说,恶无论如何都不是来自上帝,因为如果我们在人类存在中发现的恶是来自上帝的,如果我们将与人的本性联系在一起的恶或罪性,如果那是来自上帝的,那我们就不需要为此负责了,对吧?我们不会有任何罪责,我们不会,对吧?那就没有……而且如果那是本性,它实际上就不再是我们自由意志的一部分了。这是一个关于青蛙和蝎尾鞭的老故事。你知道这个吗?蝎尾鞭想过河,但他不会游泳,所以他靠近青蛙说,哎呀,我能跳到你背上,你带我过河吗?青蛙说,嗯,你是蝎尾鞭。如果我那样做,你会蛰我,我就会死。他说,不,我向你保证,我不会的,我需要过河。相信我,我不会做任何伤害你的事。于是青蛙说,好吧,蝎尾鞭爬上青蛙的背,他们开始过河。在河中间,蝎尾鞭开始蛰青蛙。现在青蛙在溺水,蝎尾鞭也是,对吧?因为恶最终会自我毁灭。青蛙说,嘿,等一下,我以为你说过你不会那样做的。他说,对不起,因为那是我的本性,对吧?所以如果恶是本性层面上的东西,那么它就会是我们……的东西。因此,对于所有的教父,卡帕多西亚三教父,巴西尔,两位格列高利,圣马克西姆,对他们所有人来说。恶的产生是由于人们做出的非常糟糕的选择,通常是基于糟糕的判断或误判。所以恶,我们作为上帝的受造物中唯一被赋予自由意志、自由选择和自我决定能力的。动物不犯罪,对吧?它们可能会做一些在我们看来很可怕的事情,但这并不不道德,对吧?它们只是出于本能行事。在某种意义上,我们没有那种奢侈。我们背负着自由的礼物,对吧?所以我们必须做决定,我们必须做选择,我们尽我们所能,而事情确实会出错。因此,正是凭借我们接受的自由这份礼物,恶事才来到并继续来到这个世界上。关于这一点还有很多可以说,但这算是一个简略的概述。此外,在逻各斯的语境下,恶是指人的本性有一个道。人的本性有一个内在原则,一个属灵原则。这个原则既包括其神圣的来源,也包括其神圣的目的,即上帝创造它的目的。比如说,鸟的目的就是飞翔。假设鸟的目标是飞翔。如果鸟不飞,在某种意义上,那就是那个受造物未能实现其本性的失败。所以,在人类活动的范围内,我们谈论过运动,对吧?生活,存在,只要他们的存在样式与他们的内在之道(最终就是上帝)相一致,对吧?那就没有恶。但当我们偏离的那一刻,当我们活动时,教父们使用的词是“运动”,在某种意义上他们指的是决定,而我们可能会说是生活方式或生活习惯或决定冲动之类的东西,它们可以是合乎本性的,也可以是违背本性的或不自然的,可以说,不自然地活动,活动得与自己相矛盾,如此自我分裂,就是有罪和恶的。谢谢。它是有罪的,因为它实际上是上帝赋予我们的潜能的失败,这个潜能就是变得像上帝并成为上帝,对吧?未能实现这种潜能,这是恶的一种定义。在某种意义上是一种畸形,或者是一个事物的失败或挫折……我不知道有没有人在花园里干过活,当东西长不好或者死掉的时候,我的意思是,当你说事情进展不顺利时,那真是太遗憾了,不是吗?本来不应该是那样的。对,因为他确实行动了,他绝对没有,他的活动违背了他天使的本性。他维持了他的,甚至魔鬼的本性也不是恶的。是他的心灵,是……的活动,是他意志的自由被恶奴役了。我其实有一段关于这个的短文,我们明天会看。所以,恶的问题显然是一个非常困难的问题,这也许是对你问题的一个简短回答。我们有,谁有……好的,是的,我会……昨天你说了一些我从未听过的话,但无论如何,上帝给了我们一种无限的渴望能力,没有任何物质事物可以满足它。没有任何有限的事物可以说,无限的,没有有限的事物可以满足。所以这对我来说真的很有趣。那这是否意味着……你必须把那种渴望转向对上帝的爱。绝对如此。那就是我们应该用它来做的,而不是去爱汽车、房子、衣服等等。绝对如此。所以这就像是一种天生的能力……我们应该用它来开始爱上帝?是的。你怎么做到这一点?哦,第一部分很简单,第二部分比较复杂。当律法师在福音书中走到耶稣面前说,最大的诫命是什么,他说什么?你要尽心、尽性、尽意爱主你的上帝。我认为那里的顺序也很重要。它没有说心灵在先,甚至灵魂在先。是心在先。你想想东正教属灵传统对心的强调。心在那里被置于前景……我的意思是,耶稣在那里引用的是申命记。所以第一条诫命是用你拥有的一切来爱上帝。心,灵魂,心灵。还有第二条诫命。与之相似,就是要爱邻如己。所以就在那里了。

So it’s not Maximus telling us to give all our love to God or to love God. It’s a biblical principle. It’s the teaching of the Lord. Now, if you open up the long rules of St. Basil, which are a series of questions and answers about how to live, not simply the monastic life, but how to live the Christian life, the first question is, well, again, what is the first rule or principle that a Christian should have? And again, Basil gives the answer from Matthew about the greatest commandment. This is a simple question. He says, it’s the first thing, the first priority, the first thing that we need to attend to, the first rule, the first principle is to love the Lord with our whole heart, soul, and mind. And then the next question is, well, how do we do that? That’s your question. And he says, well, nobody can teach you how to do that, right, because it is a natural thing. It’s just like no one teaches you how to love your parents, and just like no one taught you how to love the sunlight or the fresh air, right? No one needs to or can teach you how to love God. I mean, obviously there can be examples, there can be experiences that stir up that natural capacity, right? But it’s not given to you; it’s all given to us by God. It’s inbuilt, it’s innate, it is natural for us to desire God and to love God with our whole being. Then the response was, well then why are we so cold? Well again, it’s the gift of freedom, because instead of choosing to love God, we have from our youth, right, attached ourselves to other kinds of loves, right? I mean, if we were to be honest, we would say that most of us might love money. I mean, if I had a choice, go to church every Sunday for the rest of your life for his 10 million dollars. I don’t know, people have different weaknesses. We love lots of things. Ourselves, first and foremost, probably, right? St. Maximus said that original sin, in a sense, was that philaphtia, that love of the self, love of the body. So, there’s a great text among tomorrow’s readings about this, and it has to do with why it is exactly that we have failed, we fail to achieve. Why we fail to actualize the God-given potential that we have. At the end of the day, there’s no one to blame but ourselves. It’s our unwillingness or our reluctance to surrender ourselves completely to God. Even people who are very pious and very holy, they might be holding something back. I’ll give 10%. 50% or the people who give 100%, those are rare people. Those are the great saints. So that’s why our life, we were talking about this earlier, our life is really a process, we’re never fully converted. It’s an ongoing process. And God accepts us where we are, we make our little steps, we see that there’s more work to do, maybe we make more progress, and it just never ends. And God sees that we’re willing and that we’re on the right track. He reveals more to us. You’re not quite as virtuous as you thought. You have these shortcomings and these weaknesses and I think you can handle a little more self-knowledge now. So it’s really more about letting go and giving up and surrendering. I think it’s a lot harder for men to do than for women to do. That’s been my experience. But men are very prideful and it’s very difficult for them to accept their inability and their incapacity. And to really be able to say, which is why St. Paul says, when I’m weak, that’s when I’m strong. It’s when I acknowledge my radical incapacity. It’s when I acknowledge my weakness. That’s when God’s grace can enter into my life. But if I think that I’m strong and I don’t need anybody and I have my own resources and I can do this and I can do that, and God says, okay, you go and do that and we’ll talk later. So, we’re told that God is continuously loving, and we’re told about the angels who are basically, because they are that love, and they’re so direct with Him, they experience it more profoundly than we do. And yet, you have Satan, who is the highest of the angels, and who was very close to God, and experienced God’s love continually, in huge amounts, and a third of the angels as well, who then rebelled against God and distanced themselves from Him and set themselves in opposition to God. And yet, they knew God far more than most of us do. That’s a real mystery, that’s a real conundrum. How could that happen? Yeah, I mean, I’ll underline one of your own words, that this is really a mystery, and people have struggled with this idea for a long time, and it’s one of those things that it’s probably impossible to kind of define in some way that we can understand. But part of the answer has to include the fact that the angels, too, were created with freedom. They weren’t robots, right? They were made by God so that they could turn away from him, because they were as intelligible, rational beings. I mean, the liturgical tradition calls them minds, their intellects, they’re these celestial minds. And by definition, there has to be freedom there. And they made the wrong use of it, they misused it. And there’s a tradition that after the fall, so to say more about that… What can I say about that, right? But just to add to it, there’s a tradition that after these angels fell, the good angels, seeing what happened and fearing a similar fate, well, if it could happen to them, right? They surrounded, this is the Feast of the Synaxes of the holy angels, they surrounded the throne of God and they offered God their free will. They said, take this thing away from us, right? This gift of freedom, this burden of freedom, right? God says, not going to do it.

所以,并不是马克西姆告诉我们把所有的爱都给上帝,或者去爱上帝。这是圣经的原则。这是主的教导。现在,如果你翻开圣巴西尔的长会规,这是一系列关于如何生活的问答,不仅仅是修道的的生活,而是如何过基督徒的生活,第一个问题是,好吧,再说一次,基督徒应该有的第一条规则或原则是什么?巴西尔再次从马太福音中给出了关于最大诫命的答案。这是一个简单的问题。他说,这是第一件事,第一优先级,我们需要关注的第一件事,第一条规则,第一个原则就是用我们全心的、全灵魂和全心思去爱主。接下来的问题是,那么,我们该怎么做呢?这是你的问题。他说,好吧,没有人能教你如何做到这一点,对吧,因为这是一件自然的事情。就像没有人教你如何爱你的父母,就像没有人教你如何爱阳光或新鲜空气一样,对吧?没有人需要或能够教你如何爱上帝。我的意思是,显然可以有榜样,可以有激发那种自然能力的经历,对吧?但这不是别人给你的;这都是上帝赐予我们的。它是内在的,是天生的,渴望上帝并用我们全人去爱上帝对我们来说是自然的。然后回应是,那为什么我们如此冷淡呢?好吧,再说一次,这是自由的恩赐,因为我们没有选择去爱上帝,而是从我们年轻时起,对吧,就依恋于其他种类的爱,对吧?我的意思是,如果我们诚实的话,我们会说我们大多数人可能爱钱。我的意思是,如果让我选择,余生每个星期天都去教会,换取他的一千万美元。我不知道,人们有不同的软弱。我们爱很多东西。我们自己,可能首当其冲,对吧?圣马克西姆说,原罪,在某种意义上,就是那种philaphtia,即对自我的爱,对肉体的爱。所以,在明天的读经中有一段关于这个的伟大文本,它涉及到为什么我们失败了,我们未能实现。为什么我们未能实现上帝赐予我们的潜能。归根结底,除了我们自己,没有人可以责怪。是我们不愿意或不情愿将自己完全向神降服。即使是那些非常虔诚和非常圣洁的人,他们可能也会有所保留。我会给10%。50%,或者那些给100%的人,那些是罕见的人。那些是伟大的圣人。所以这就是为什么我们的生活,我们之前讨论过这个,我们的生活真的是一个过程,我们从未完全转变。这是一个持续的过程。上帝在我们所在的地方接纳我们,我们迈出小小的步伐,我们看到还有更多的工作要做,也许我们取得了更多的进步,而这永远不会结束。上帝看到我们愿意并且走在正确的轨道上。他向我们启示更多。你并不像你想象的那么有美德。你有这些缺点和这些软弱,我认为你现在可以承受多一点自我认识了。所以这其实更多是关于放手、放弃和降服。我认为男人比女人更难做到这一点。这是我的经验。但男人非常骄傲,他们很难接受自己的无能和无力。并且真正能够说出,这就是为什么圣保罗说,当我软弱时,那时我就刚强了。就是当我承认我彻底的无力时。就是当我承认我的软弱时。那就是上帝的恩典能进入我生命的时候。但如果我认为我很强壮,我不需要任何人,我有自己的资源,我能做这个,我能做那个,上帝就会说,好吧,你去做吧,我们以后再谈。所以,我们被告知上帝是持续爱着的,我们被告知关于天使的事,他们基本上,因为他们就是那种爱,并且他们与上帝如此直接,他们比我们更深刻地体验到它。然而,你有撒旦,他是天使中最高的,非常接近上帝,并持续地、大量地体验到上帝的爱,还有三分之一的天使,他们随后背叛了上帝,远离了他,并使自己与上帝对立。然而,他们对上帝的了解远比我们大多数人要多。这是一个真正的奥迹,这是一个真正的难题。这怎么可能发生呢?是的,我的意思是,我会强调你自己的一个词,这确实是一个奥迹,人们在这个想法上挣扎了很久,这是那些可能无法以某种我们能理解的方式来定义的事情之一。但部分答案必须包括这样一个事实,即天使也是带着自由被创造的。他们不是机器人,对吧?他们是由上帝创造的,所以他们可以背离他,因为他们是可理解的、理性的存在。我的意思是,礼仪传统称他们为心灵,他们的理智,他们是这些天上的心灵。根据定义,那里必须有自由。而他们错误地使用了它,他们滥用了它。有一个传统说,在堕落之后,关于这个多说一点……关于这个我能说什么呢,对吧?但只是为了补充一点,有一个传统说,在这些天使堕落之后,善良的天使们看到了发生的事情,并害怕类似的命运,好吧,如果这能发生在他们身上,对吧?他们包围了——这是众圣天使聚会节——他们包围了上帝的宝座,并将他们的自由意志献给上帝。他们说,把这个东西从我们这里拿走吧,对吧?这自由的恩赐,这自由的重担,对吧?上帝说,我不会这么做的。

But he did this tradition that he somehow bound their minds to him, which is why in many of their icons they have these ribbons around their heads, which indicates the sort of the binding of the mind to the divine. So Gregory the theologian says that they’re not akiniti, they’re not immovable, they’re not absolutely immovable in their wills, but they’re viskiniti, it’s extremely difficult for them to be moved. So at this point in, let’s say, the history of creation, they continue to have their freedom, but if you follow this tradition, or in light of this tradition, they’re very much fixed in the commitment of their will to God. But these are things, these are our human ways of talking about things. Can the fallen angels still repent? I should probably repeat your questions because maybe not everybody can hear them. The follow-up question was, can the fallen angels repent, which is a version of the question, can the devil be saved? And there have been some ecclesiastical writers in the tradition, not saints of the church, but theologians and ecclesiastical ancient ones, who believe that at the end of history, all will be saved. This idea of universal salvation. God made everything. A lot of stuff got messed up and lost. God will fix everything and restore everything to the way it was in the beginning. It’s kind of a cycle. That teaching was, and there are some contemporary theologians who are very happy with this. St. John Chrysostom says this is the theology of the hedonists. People think they can just do whatever they like and God’s going to take care of it all in the end. But this teaching was condemned by the Fifth Ecumenical Council in 551 under the Emperor Justinian and others. So an Orthodox Christian can’t really hold to it. We pray for the dead and we hope, but we don’t believe that, we don’t teach that there’s repentance after death, first of all, and that the devil is, and again, that there’s a text about the devil for tomorrow, so. Any more questions or comments or, okay, should we move on? Should we move on? Yeah? Okay, alright. We have one text that we want to look at today, you should have a copy of it. If not, there are some over there. Just at the very moment that Father Matthew sat down, I’m going to ask him to give some water. I forgot to bring some. Just before we dive into the text, just a couple of comments to help introduce us to some of the ideas that we’re going to be exploring here. We all know that the Word of God, the Logos again, the Word, is the author of Scripture in a sense, which also means that, this is a tradition going back to the early Alexandrian fathers, we find it in Maximus the Confessor, which means that the Word is also somehow embodied in Scripture, that the ideas of Scripture, the language of Scripture, is somehow also not simply an expression of the Word, but a real embodiment of the Word. And even something like a kind of incarnation of the Word. Thank you, Father. Along the lines of what we talked about last night, about the mode of the divinity’s presence in the created order. Something very similar, something analogous takes place in Scripture. Scripture is not simply a book. It’s not simply pages with words on it. It’s not some sort of random thing that was, oh, it was written over a period of, I don’t know, a couple thousand years by a bunch of different authors and biblical scholars break it down into fragments and bits. And there’s Isaiah and Deutero-Isaiah, and these letters weren’t by Paul. And they make a mess of the whole thing, right? That’s a historian’s way of looking at Scripture. But the church has never looked at Scripture that way. The church sees and understands Scripture as a whole, and it sees Scripture not simply as pointing to Christ, but it also sees Christ as the depth of Scripture. So the Word, the Word of God, the Logos of God, is present in Scripture, which makes Scripture something like the body of the Word. It makes the Word somehow incarnate in Scripture, which is why a lot of the early fathers talk about Scripture having a body and a soul. The body of Scripture are the words, the physical words, black letters on the page and the soul of course is the meaning of the, we talked about text and meaning last night so the body of the word in scripture would be that the actual physical words the letters syllables, the vowels, the verbs and whatnot. And the soul, in a sense, the soul, so to speak, of scripture is the meaning, is the intelligible meaning of those words. And we have these kinds of distinctions. Earlier, we heard some correct criticisms of dualism. This is not dualism. These are simply distinctions that are made that are not separations or divisions. But even St. Paul talks about the letter in the spirit. And the letter, he says, kills, but the spirit gives life. So here we have that distinction, letter and spirit. And if all you’ve got is the flesh, if all you’ve got is the body, without the soul or the spirit or the mind, you’re in a little, you’re not seeing the whole picture. You have an impoverished experience of scripture. So a strictly literal kind of reading of scripture wouldn’t be enough. It wouldn’t be enough because it wouldn’t attend to the depth or to the deeper soul of scripture. So there’s that idea. There’s that idea that the world, the creation, the cosmos, the universe is a manifestation of God, is a theophany of the divine. The same thing is true of scripture. God is present in creation. He’s also present in scripture. So the world is a manifestation of God and scripture is a manifestation of God. That’s one of the points we need to enter into this text. So scripture and the world. And St. Maximus talks about two laws, the written law and the natural law. And the written law is scripture and the natural law is creation. And at bottom,

但他遵循了这个传统,即他以某种方式将他们的心灵与他绑定在一起,这就是为什么在他们的许多圣像中,他们的头上都有这些丝带,这表明了心灵与神圣的结合。所以神学家圣格列高利说他们不是akiniti(不动的),他们在意志上不是绝对不可动摇的,但他们是viskiniti(极难移动的),要动摇他们极其困难。因此,在受造历史的这个阶段,可以说,他们继续拥有自由,但如果你遵循这个传统,或者在这个传统的光照下,他们在意志上对上帝的委身是非常固定的。但这些事情,这些是我们人类谈论事物的方式。堕落天使还能悔改吗?我也许应该重复一下你的问题,因为可能不是每个人都能听到。接下来的问题是,堕落天使能悔改吗,这其实是“魔鬼能得救吗”这个问题的另一个版本。在传统中,有一些教会作家,不是教会的圣人,而是神学家和古代教会人士,他们相信在历史的尽头,所有人都将得救。这种普世救赎的观念。上帝创造了一切。很多东西被搞砸了并迷失了。上帝会修复一切,并将一切恢复到最初的样子。这有点像一个循环。那个教导曾是……而且有一些当代神学家对此非常满意。金口约翰说这是享乐主义者的神学。人们认为他们可以随心所欲,而上帝最终会处理好一切。但这个教导在551年由查士丁尼皇帝及其他人主持的第五次大公会议上被定罪。所以东正教基督徒不能真正坚持这种观点。我们为死者祈祷并抱有希望,但我们不相信,也不教导死后还有悔改,首先是这样,而且魔鬼也是……再说一次,明天有一篇关于魔鬼的文本,所以。还有其他问题或评论吗,或者,好的,我们继续吗?我们继续吗?是的?好的,行。今天我们有一篇文本要看,你们应该有一份复印件。如果没有,那边有一些。就在马太神父坐下的那一刻,我要请他给点水。我忘了带水了。在我们深入探讨文本之前,先作几点评论,以帮助我们介绍将要在这里探讨的一些想法。我们都知道上帝之道,也就是道,在某种意义上是圣经的作者,这也意味着——这是一个可以追溯到早期亚历山大教父的传统,我们在认信者马克西姆那里也发现了这一点——道也以某种方式体现在圣经中,圣经的思想、圣经的语言,在某种程度上也不仅仅是对道的表达,而是道的真实体现。甚至类似于道的一种道成肉身。谢谢你,神父。沿着我们昨晚谈论的思路,关于神性在受造秩序中同在的模式。在圣经中也发生了非常相似、类似的事情。圣经不仅仅是一本书。它不仅仅是印有文字的纸张。它不是某种随机的东西,哦,它是在一段我不知道、大概几千年的时间里由一群不同的作者写成的,然后圣经学者把它分解成碎片和片段。有以赛亚书和第二以赛亚书,这些书信不是保罗写的。他们把整个事情搞得一团糟,对吧?这是历史学家看待圣经的方式。但教会从未以这种方式看待圣经。教会将圣经视为一个整体来理解和看待,它不仅将圣经视为指向基督,而且将基督视为圣经的深度。因此,上帝之道,上帝的道,存在于圣经中,这使得圣经类似于道的身体。它使道以某种方式在圣经中道成肉身,这就是为什么许多早期教父谈论圣经有身体和灵魂。圣经的身体是文字,物理上的文字,纸页上的黑色字母,而灵魂当然是意义,我们昨晚谈到了文本和意义,所以圣经中道的身体就是实际的物理文字,字母、音节、元音、动词等等。而灵魂,在某种意义上,可以说圣经的灵魂就是意义,就是那些文字可理解的意义。我们有这些区分。早些时候,我们听到了对二元论的一些正确批评。这不是二元论。这些只是所作的区分,而不是分离或分裂。但即使是圣保罗也谈到了字句和灵。他说字句叫人死,但灵叫人活。所以这里我们有这种区分,字句和灵。如果你只有肉体,如果你只有身体,而没有灵魂、灵或心灵,你就有点……你看不到全貌。你对圣经的体验是贫乏的。因此,对圣经进行严格字面上的阅读是不够的。这不够,因为它不会关注圣经的深度或更深层的灵魂。所以有这样一个观念。即世界、受造物、宇宙、万物是上帝的彰显,是神圣的神显。圣经也是如此。上帝存在于受造物中。他也存在于圣经中。所以世界是上帝的彰显,圣经也是上帝的彰显。这是我们需要进入这篇文本的要点之一。所以圣经与世界。而圣马克西姆谈到两种律法,成文律法和自然律法。成文律法是圣经,自然律法是受造物。而在根本上,

They actually come to the same thing, which is through the Logoi to the Logos. The Logoi of scripture, the meanings, the principles of scripture, the Logoi of creation, which are the metaphysical grounds in a sense of the created order, and all of these things are contained within the Logos himself. So both the world and scripture are self-expressions if you will, self-manifestations, self-disclosures of God the Word. Alright, so the presence of the Word then in both scripture and Creation is the mystery of God’s revelation to the world. And the paradigm, one of the chief paradigms for what I’m talking about is the transfiguration. This sort of messianic moment, this major biblical event, this major moment in the life of Christ, actually comes to the fore as a key witness to the things that I’ve been saying. And this is where we’ll turn to the text. One last point though, and it’s very important. There’s the world, and there’s also the world of creation. There’s also the world of Scripture. There’s the book of creation, as we’ll see, and there’s the book of the Bible. But these things are not realities that are outside of ourselves. We don’t look at them in some sort of objective sense. Both of these worlds, obviously, the world of creation and the world of Scripture, are two orders in a sense, or realms that encompass us, that we are actually ourselves contained within. No one doubts that we’re contained within the material world, but we’re also contained in a special sense in the world of Scripture. Scripture is not just a book, and it’s not simply a kind of culture, it’s that too. It is a much more… well, we’ll see what St. Maximus says about it. That’s why you have some of these early church writers who say that there’s really only one story, and that’s the story of the Gospel. And every person plays his or her part. And one person is a Judas, another person is a Peter, and so on. I don’t need to go through all the details. So there’s really only one story that’s played out over and over and over again. And of course we occupy different roles. So the Gospel is not just a story we read, it’s much more profound than that, it’s much more comprehensive than that. It’s a reality that we occupy in very particular ways. So let’s turn now to this text from the Ambiguum. It’s an excerpt from the Tenth Ambiguum. It’s not too long, but it’s very dense and it’s very complicated. It’s classical, St. Maximus the Confessor. But it’s just like the text about the Logoi, this is another central text that often gets cited by theologians and scholars and people keep coming back to it because it is so important. And we’ll go through it slowly. If anybody has any questions as we’re going through, please feel free to raise your hand. If there are too many questions, that might slow us down, but in mid-sentence, no less. Like those men who rushed from their seats when St. Gregory had yet to finish his… No, go ahead. Lance and I are old friends, so I can tease him that way. I was just saying Maximus is expounding upon it. It is, yes. This is the one that I told you last night was actually in its entirety. The single ambiguum is 50 pages long. It’s by far the longest sort of essay in the collection. And I won’t get into the phrase by Gregory. It’s a very long and difficult argument. We’re focusing on this excerpt here. What Maximus is talking about in general is the life of virtue and divinization and how it’s possible that human beings can move through the created order and come to know the divine. How does that happen? How does that actually work? What are the mechanics of it in a sense? What can we know about that? Other writers might talk about how to pray. He’ll talk about what happens in the soul when one prays. So he’s always on this kind of other level in a sense, seeking to establish the theology of the church and the practices of the church on these sort of really sophisticated theological and philosophical grounds. And that was necessary because these things were being challenged. It wasn’t just him idly exercising his intellect. These things had to be said to secure and preserve the teachings of the church in a very profound way. All right. So he says, thus it happened that some of Christ’s disciples, through diligence in virtue, ascended and were raised aloft. I think that’s important. We have an active verb and a passive verb here. On their own they ascended, they were able to exert some of their own energy. They ascended and were raised aloft, that’s a passive verb there. So they raised themselves up and were raised up. I think that’s significant, because there is an activity and passivity involved in the life of grace. We have to struggle, we have to work, but then at one point we have to also surrender and go from being active agents to passive recipients of God’s grace, and let God’s activity take over within us. So they ascended and were raised aloft with him on the mountain of his manifestation, where they beheld him transfigured, unapproachable by reason of the light of his face, and astonishing in the brightness of his garments. And the garments actually become something that Maximus talks about. And having observed his appearance made more august by the honor of Moses and Elijah standing at either side of him, they crossed over from the flesh to the spirit, prior to having cast off carnal life, through the substitution of their powers of sense perception by the activity of the spirit, who removed the veils of the passions that had covered the intellective capacity within them, by which he means their kind of higher mind. With the sensory organs of their souls and bodies purified through the spirit, they were initiated into the spiritual principles, that’s the Logoi again, of the mysteries that had been disclosed to them.

它们实际上殊途同归,即通过诸道到达道。圣经的诸道,即圣经的意义和原则;受造物的诸道,在某种意义上是受造秩序的形而上学基础;所有这些都包含在道自身之中。因此,世界和圣经都是上帝之道的自我表达,如果你愿意这么说的话,是自我彰显、自我启示。好,那么,道在圣经和受造物中的同在,就是上帝向世界启示的奥迹。而我所说的其中一个主要范式,就是变容。这种弥赛亚时刻,这个重大的圣经事件,基督生命中的重大时刻,实际上作为我所说之事的关键见证而凸显出来。这就是我们要转向的文本。不过还有最后一点,这非常重要。有这个世界,也有受造物的世界。还有圣经的世界。正如我们将看到的,有受造物之书,也有圣经之书。但这些事物并不是外在于我们自身的现实。我们不是以某种客观的意义来看待它们。显然,这两个世界,即受造物的世界和圣经的世界,在某种意义上是包含我们的两个秩序或领域,我们实际上自身就包含在其中。没有人怀疑我们包含在物质世界中,但在一种特殊的意义上,我们也包含在圣经的世界中。圣经不仅仅是一本书,也不仅仅是一种文化,尽管它也是文化。它要更加……好吧,我们将看到圣马克西姆对此怎么说。这就是为什么你看到一些早期教会的作家说,实际上只有一个故事,那就是福音的故事。每个人都扮演着他或她的角色。一个人是犹大,另一个人是彼得,等等。我不需要详述所有细节。所以实际上只有一个故事,一遍又一遍地演绎着。当然,我们扮演着不同的角色。所以福音不仅仅是我们读到的一个故事,它比那深刻得多,也全面得多。它是一个我们以非常特定的方式占据的现实。那么,让我们现在转向《难篇》中的这段文本。这是《第十难篇》的节选。它不太长,但非常密集且非常复杂。这是认信者圣马克西姆的经典之作。但就像关于诸道的文本一样,这是另一个核心文本,经常被神学家和学者引用,人们不断回到这里,因为它如此重要。我们将慢慢过一遍。如果我们在讲解过程中有人有任何问题,请随时举手。如果问题太多,可能会拖慢我们的进度,但哪怕是在句子中间打断也没关系。就像那些在圣格列高利还没讲完时就冲出座位的人一样……不,请讲。兰斯和我是老朋友了,所以我可以这样调侃他。我刚才在说马克西姆正在对此进行阐释。是的,没错。这就是我昨晚告诉你的那篇,实际上它是完整的。单篇《难篇》就有50页长。这是文集中迄今为止最长的一篇文章。我不会深入探讨格列高利的那句话。那是一个非常漫长且艰难的论证。我们关注的是这里的这段节选。马克西姆总体上谈论的是美德与神化的生活,以及人类如何可能穿过受造秩序并认识神圣。那是怎么发生的?它实际上是如何运作的?在某种意义上,它的机制是什么?关于这一点我们能知道什么?其他作家可能会谈论如何祈祷。他会谈论一个人祈祷时灵魂中发生了什么。所以在某种意义上,他总是处于这种另一个层面上,试图在这些真正复杂的神学和哲学基础上建立教会的神学和教会的实践。这是必要的,因为这些事情正受到挑战。这不仅仅是他闲来无事锻炼智力。必须说出这些话,以非常深刻的方式确保和保存教会的教导。好。所以他说,因此,基督的一些门徒通过对美德的勤奋,上升并被高举。我认为这很重要。我们这里有一个主动动词和一个被动动词。他们自己上升了,他们能够发挥自己的一些能量。他们上升并被高举,那里是一个被动动词。所以他们自己升高并被升高。我认为这很有意义,因为在恩典的生活中涉及主动性和被动性。我们必须争战,我们必须做工,但在某个时刻,我们也必须降服,从主动的执行者变成上帝恩典的被动接受者,让上帝的作为在我们里面接管。所以他们与他一起在他显现的山上上升并被高举,在那里他们看见他变容,因他脸上的光而不可靠近,他衣裳的明亮令人惊叹。而衣裳实际上成了马克西姆谈论的内容。在观察到摩西和以利亚站在他两侧的尊荣使他面貌更加威严之后,他们在脱去肉体生命之前,就从肉体跨越到了灵,这是通过用灵的作为取代他们感官知觉的能力来实现的,灵除去了覆盖在他们里面智性能力(他指的是他们那种更高的心灵)之上的情欲面纱。借着灵净化了他们灵魂和身体的感官器官,他们被引入了向他们启示的奥迹的属灵原则,这又是那些诸道。

A couple of comments on this and then we’ll see if you have any questions. So the main idea here is that the disciples are raised up, I mean they’ve lived through diligence and virtue, they’re raised up to the mountain of manifestation, they behold this magnificent vision, and the impact, the result of this vision is that they crossed over from flesh to the spirit. This is a key notion in Maximus’ theology, this idea of passing over or of crossing over. The Greek word is diavasis from the verb diaveno, which is actually the word for the Greek word diavasis translates what Hebrew word? Pascha, Passover. This is the exodus. So the ultimate meaning of exodus was not a passage through water or a one-way ticket out of Egypt. It was this other kind of, this was a foreshadowing or a type of the passage of the self or of the soul sort of through the material world to the intelligible realm or to the life of God. And this is also the move, by the way, from the letter to the spirit. It’s an exegetical move, it’s a hermeneutical move, right? You read from the letter, you pass to the spirit. And at the same time that our carnal life or our fleshly life is transformed and transfigured into a spiritual one. So this notion of movement, of motion, of passage is key to him. So they crossed over from flesh to the spirit prior to having cast off carnal life. This was a miracle actually. This was granted to them by God. They weren’t dead yet. They weren’t fully sanctified either. This was before Pentecost. So this shouldn’t have happened. It was granted to them to happen. So before they had cast off carnal life, carnality, they crossed over. How? Through the substitution of their powers of sense perception by the activity of the Holy Spirit. If you’re familiar with the theology of Hezekasm or the theology of Gregory Palamas, this will be something that you’ve come across. The idea is that the great saints who rise to these levels of sanctity that are probably just beyond our ability even to imagine, right? There comes a point where their own power of perception, their own power of cognition, their own intellectual capacity to know and to… I mean, it fails them in a sense. It can only take them so far. And it’s at that moment that… Their own activities, their perceptive and intellectual and cognitive activities cease. And the activity of the Holy Spirit takes over in a sense. So the disciples at the Transfiguration see God. They see the uncreated light of God, but not with their earthly eyes and not with their earthly minds. They see God because the Holy Spirit now has come. to rest in them and they see God through the Holy Spirit in them who is seeing God. So it’s God’s self in the disciples sees his own self through them. Do you follow me? Do you understand that? We cannot see God. Mortal eyes and mortal minds cannot behold something immortal and infinite and divine and so on. The created cannot see the uncreated. But this can happen through the agency of the Holy Spirit. So my, let’s say, intellectual activity or capacity is not enough to take in this vision. But if the Holy Spirit is living inside of me, well then through the Spirit’s activity, that vision becomes possible. So through the activity of the Spirit, who removed the veils of the passions that had covered the intellective capacity within them. So part of the inability to see the divine was also the result of passions, which are like veils. or clouds that obscure the vision of God. And with the sensory organs of their souls and bodies purified through the Spirit, they were initiated into the spiritual principles of the mysteries that had been disclosed to them. So that’s the first paragraph here. Any questions about that, or comments, or, you know, just totally incomprehensible? Yeah, go ahead. Right, right. Yeah, it is the grace of the Holy Spirit. I mean, we don’t talk about this as a kind of incarnation of the Holy Spirit in the Christian soul or in the seer. But it’s the activity, the energy, which is the grace, the uncreated grace. The grace is the uncreated energy of God. that has entered into the disciples at this point and opens up their eyes in a sense, enables them to see things that they couldn’t see with their ordinary eyes. Well, I’m on the one St. James says, because you don’t know how to ask. There’s that, right? But it’s also because, you know, your child might ask you for, your 10-year-old might ask you for an automobile, and it’s like, well, you don’t know how to drive. So God is not going to give us something that’s going to destroy us or that we’re not capable of using, because that would make us even more culpable, right? Okay, I gave you all of these things, and look what happened. Now what? So if we’re not ready to… make the right use of that grace, if we’re not capable of it yet, if we’re not… Another way to think about this, again, I mean, actually these are very biblical ideas, even though they’re presented in a different kind of an idiom. I mean, this idea of the Spirit coming now, and I mean, St. Paul says, you know, it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. What does he mean by that? That this other agency, this other agent, this other actor, this divine presence now has come and… occupied his being in a sense. And now Paul Paul’s thoughts are Christ’s thoughts, and Paul’s words are Christ’s words, and Paul’s feelings are Christ’s feelings, and so on. There’s this kind of union of the two. And Paul also sees the uncreated light, and he’s raptured to the third heaven, and so on. So all of that, thanks to the gift of God’s grace, which is, as you said, the uncreated energy of God. Oh, absolutely, absolutely, yeah. No, there’s no, I mean… This is one of the many paradoxes in the tradition. The Trinity is one and three, right? And grace and salvation is unmerited and totally gratuitous and freely given, but you’ve got to work really hard too, right? There’s so many paradoxes like this.

关于这个我再说几点,然后看看你们有没有什么问题。所以这里的主要思想是,门徒们被提升,我的意思是他们通过勤奋和美德生活,被提升到显现之山,他们注视着这宏伟的异象,而这异象的影响和结果是他们从肉体跨越到了灵。这是马克西姆神学中的一个关键概念,这种过渡或跨越的思想。希腊词是diavasis,来自动词diaveno,实际上希腊词diavasis翻译的是哪个希伯来词?帕斯哈,逾越节。这就是出埃及记。所以出埃及记的最终意义不是穿过水域或离开埃及的单程票。它是另一种,这是自我或灵魂通过物质世界进入可理解领域或上帝生活的一种预示或预表。顺便说一句,这也是从字句到灵意的转变。这是一种释经的转变,一种诠释学的转变,对吧?你从字句阅读,你过渡到灵意。同时,我们属肉体的生活或肉体的生活被转变和变容为属灵的生活。所以这种运动、移动、过渡的概念对他来说是关键。所以他们在抛弃属肉体的生活之前,就从肉体跨越到了灵。这实际上是一个奇迹。这是上帝赐予他们的。他们还没有死。他们也没有完全圣化。这是在五旬节之前。所以这不应该发生。这是被赐予他们才发生的。所以在他们抛弃属肉体的生活、属肉体之前,他们跨越了。怎么做到的?通过圣灵的活动取代了他们的感官知觉能力。如果你熟悉静修主义神学或帕拉马斯的神学,这将会是你遇到过的东西。这个想法是,那些上升到可能超出我们想象能力的圣化水平的伟大圣徒,对吧?到了某个时刻,他们自己的感知能力、认知能力、认识和……的智力能力,我的意思是,在某种意义上它让他们失望了。它只能把他们带到这么远。正是在那一刻……他们自己的活动,他们的感知、智力和认知活动停止了。在某种意义上,圣灵的活动接管了。所以变容时的门徒们看到了上帝。他们看到了上帝的非受造之光,但不是用他们世俗的眼睛,也不是用他们世俗的头脑。他们看到上帝是因为圣灵现在已经降临。安息在他们里面,他们通过在他们里面看到上帝的圣灵看到了上帝。所以是上帝自己在门徒里面通过他们看到了他自己。你们明白吗?你们理解吗?我们无法看到上帝。必朽的眼睛和必朽的头脑无法注视不朽、无限和神圣的事物等等。受造的无法看到非受造的。但这可以通过圣灵的能动性发生。所以我,比方说,智力活动或能力不足以容纳这个异象。但如果圣灵住在我里面,那么通过圣灵的活动,那个异象就变得可能了。所以通过圣灵的活动,圣灵移除了覆盖在他们里面智力能力之上的情欲的面纱。所以无法看到神圣的部分原因也是情欲的结果,情欲就像面纱。或遮蔽上帝异象的云。随着他们的灵魂和身体的感官器官通过圣灵得到净化,他们被引入了向他们揭示的奥迹的属灵原则。所以这是这里的第一段。对此有什么问题,或评论,或者,你知道,完全无法理解?是的,请讲。对,对。是的,这是圣灵的恩典。我的意思是,我们不把这说成是圣灵在基督徒灵魂或看见者里面的一种道成肉身。而是活动,能量,也就是恩典,非受造之恩。恩典是上帝的非受造的能量。在这一点上已经进入了门徒里面,并在某种意义上打开了他们的眼睛,使他们能够看到他们用普通的眼睛看不到的东西。嗯,一方面圣雅各说,因为你们不知道如何祈求。有那个原因,对吧?但这也是因为,你知道,你的孩子可能会向你要,你10岁的孩子可能会向你要一辆汽车,而这就好比,嗯,你不知道怎么开。所以上帝不会给我们会毁灭我们的东西,或者我们无法使用的东西,因为那会使我们更加有罪,对吧?好吧,我给了你所有这些东西,看看发生了什么。现在怎么办?所以如果我们还没准备好……正确地使用那恩典,如果我们还没有能力,如果我们还没有……另一种思考这个的方式,再说一次,我的意思是,实际上这些是非常符合圣经的思想,即使它们是用另一种不同的习惯用语来表达的。我的意思是,这种圣灵现在降临的思想,我的意思是,圣保罗说,你知道,不再是我活着,而是基督在我里面活着。他这么说是什么意思?这个其他的能动性,这个其他的代理者,这个其他的行动者,这个神圣的同在现在已经降临并……在某种意义上占据了他的存在。现在保罗的思想就是基督的思想,保罗的话语就是基督的话语,保罗的感受就是基督的感受,等等。这两者之间有这种合一。保罗也看到了非受造之光,他被提到第三层天上,等等。所以这一切,都要归功于上帝恩典的礼物,正如你所说,那是上帝的非受造的能量。哦,绝对,绝对,是的。不,没有,我的意思是……这是传统中众多悖论之一。三位一体是一也是三,对吧?恩典和救赎是不配得的,完全是白白的,是免费赐予的,但你也必须非常努力地工作,对吧?有很多这样的悖论。

So there’s a question tomorrow night that actually deals with the reception of grace, because grace always works in conjunction with free will. God never overrides the free will. That’s the problem, as we said earlier. God has done everything he possibly can. What more do you want me to do? It’s up to you now to appropriate the grace that I have made available to you in Christ. It’s we who simply, stubbornly and self-willfully refuse to actualize it. Because we have other pursuits. I’ll do it next year or that sort of thing. Any other comments about this before we move on? All right. The second paragraph. They were taught, these are the disciples still, and again, it doesn’t say they were taught, that’s passive again, too. Note that the use of the passive verbs here. They were taught in a hidden way, that the radiance that shone with dazzling rays of light from the Lord’s face, completely overwhelming the power of their eyes, was a symbol of his divinity, which transcends intellect, sensation, Being and knowledge. And so the light that they experienced overwhelmed them and they knew that this was an expression, in a sense, of the divinity itself, which is beyond everything. Mind, sensation, existence, everything. And here’s a nice transitional passage. From the observation that he had neither form nor beauty, and from the knowledge that the word had become flesh, they were led to the understanding of him as one more beautiful than the sons of men, who was in the beginning and was with God and was God, and we have a little subordinate clause in here, and by means of the theological negation that extols him as being beyond all human comprehension, they were raised up cognitively to the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father, full of grace and truth. So they’re overwhelmed, they’re presented with something that’s beyond their capacity, but God gives them the grace, gives them the capacity to have this experience, and there’s a cognitive moment here too. They actually learn something and they go from this lower knowledge of Christ as a mere man, or someone who had neither form nor beauty. This is the passage from Isaiah. And from the knowledge that the Word had become flesh, they are raised up to this understanding of Him as being glorious and beautiful and more beautiful than the sons of men and in the beginning. And this is a manifestation of the glory of the divine in Jesus Christ. There’s nothing more remarkable than this, and this is what they are experiencing now. And we’ll ignore the bit about the theological negation, because we’ll come back to that in a later paragraph. They were also taught, and here’s where the garments come in, they were also taught that the garments, which became dazzling white, convey a symbol. First, there are two altogether. A symbol that is of the words of Holy Scripture, which at that moment became bright, clear, and transparent to them, grasped by the intellect without any dark riddles or symbolic shadows, and pointing to the meaning, there’s logos again, that lay concealed within them. And again, another subordinate clause, at which point the disciples received the perfect and correct knowledge of God and were set free from every attachment to the world and the flesh. We’ll say more about this, but the idea now is that the garments are the outer covering of the body. And in this case, they’re the garments of Christ. They become bright and radiant. And Maximus says that they are the symbols now of the words of Scripture. And second, the garments are symbols of creation itself, stripped of the soiled preconceptions of those who till then believed they saw it clearly, but who in fact were deceived and bound to sense perception alone, creation now appearing in the variety of the different forms that constitute it, all declaring the power of the Creator Word in the same way that a garment makes known the dignity of the one who wears it. He goes on to explain this, but the idea is not very complicated. We have the image of the garment, and the garment conceals or covers something else. And when the garment becomes bright or transparent or diaphanous, that which lies beneath it is revealed. And we have this double symbolism. The garments are the words of scripture or creation itself, both in a purified sense. Is that clear? He’ll go on to explain this in the next paragraph. For both of these interpretations are appropriate for the word, because in both cases he has been rightly covered with obscurity for our sake. Remember last night, or two nights ago, about John the Baptist and being in the womb? That’s part of that idea about being covered with obscurity. Covered with obscurity for our sake, so that we should not dare to approach unworthily what is beyond our comprehension, namely the words of Holy Scripture, for he is the word, or creation, for he is the creator, fashioner, and artisan. From this it follows that whoever wishes blamelessly to walk the straight road to God stands in need of both the inherent spiritual knowledge of Scripture and the natural contemplation of beings according to the Spirit. In this way, anyone who desires to become a perfect lover of perfect wisdom will be able to show what is only reasonable, namely that the two laws, the natural and the written, the creation and scripture, are of equal value and equal dignity, that both of them reciprocally teach the same things, and that neither is superior or inferior to the other. That’s an amazing statement to make. Any questions at this point? Because I want to keep moving forward. So either you understand it completely or it’s just so perplexing and bewildering.

所以明晚有一个问题实际上是关于领受恩典的,因为恩典总是与自由意志共同起作用。上帝从不凌驾于自由意志之上。这就是问题所在,正如我们之前所说。上帝已经尽其所能。“你们还想让我做什么?”“现在轮到你们去领受我在基督里赐给你们的恩典了。”是我们自己固执、任性地拒绝去实现它。因为我们有其他的追求。“我明年再做吧”之类的事情。在我们继续之前,关于这个还有其他评论吗?好的。第二段。他们被教导,这些仍然是使徒,而且,这里没有说他们被教导,这又是被动语态。注意这里被动动词的使用。他们被暗中教导,从主脸上闪耀出令人目眩的光芒,完全压倒了他们眼睛的视觉能力,这光是他神性的象征,这神性超越了心智、感觉、存在和知识。因此,他们所经历的光压倒了他们,他们知道在某种意义上,这是神性本身的彰显,这神性超越了一切。心灵、感觉、存在,一切。这里有一段很好的过渡段落。从观察到他无佳形美容,从知道道成肉身,他们被引导去理解他比世人更美,他在太初就与上帝同在且就是上帝,这里我们有一个小从句,通过将他尊崇为超越所有人类理解的否定神学,他们在认知上被提升到父独生子的荣耀,充满恩典和真理。所以他们被压倒了,他们面对的是超越他们能力的事物,但上帝赐给他们恩典,赐给他们拥有这种经历的能力,这里也有一个认知的时刻。他们实际上学到了一些东西,他们从对基督仅仅是一个人,或者无佳形美容的人的较低认识中走出来。这是《以赛亚书》中的段落。从知道道成肉身,他们被提升到这种理解:他是荣耀的、美丽的、比世人更美,并且在太初就存在。这是神圣荣耀在耶稣基督里的彰显。没有什么比这更非凡的了,这就是他们现在正在经历的。我们将忽略关于否定神学的部分,因为我们会在后面的段落中再回到这个话题。他们也被教导,这里就是衣服出现的地方,他们也被教导,变得洁白放光的衣服传达了一个象征。首先,总共有两个象征。一个是圣经话语的象征,这些话语在那一刻对他们变得明亮、清晰和透明,被心智所掌握,没有任何黑暗的谜语或象征性的阴影,并指向隐藏在其中的意义,这里又出现了“道”。同样,另一个从句,在这一点上,使徒们领受了完美而正确的关于上帝的知识,并从对世界和肉体的一切依恋中解脱出来。我们会对此多说一些,但现在的概念是,衣服是身体的外层遮盖。在这种情况下,它们是基督的衣服。它们变得明亮和发光。马克西姆说它们现在是圣经话语的象征。其次,衣服是受造物本身的象征,剥离了那些直到那时还相信自己看得很清楚,但实际上却被欺骗并仅受限于感官知觉之人的污秽成见,受造物现在以其构成的各种不同形式出现,所有这些都宣告着创造者之道的大能,就像衣服显明穿着它之人的尊严一样。他继续解释这一点,但这个概念并不复杂。我们有衣服的意象,衣服隐藏或遮盖着其他东西。当衣服变得明亮、透明或透光时,隐藏在它下面的东西就被揭示出来。我们有这种双重象征意义。衣服是圣经的话语或受造物本身,两者都是在被净化的意义上。这清楚吗?他会在下一段继续解释这一点。因为这两种解释都适用于道,因为在两种情况下,为了我们的缘故,他都被恰当地遮蔽在晦涩之中。记得昨晚,或者前晚,关于施洗约翰在母腹中的事吗?那就是关于被遮蔽在晦涩之中的概念的一部分。为了我们的缘故被遮蔽在晦涩之中,这样我们就不敢不配地接近我们无法理解的事物,即圣经的话语,因为他是道,或者是受造物,因为他是创造者、塑造者和工匠。由此可知,凡愿无可指责地走在通往上帝的直路上的人,都需要圣经固有的属灵知识和按照圣灵对受造物的自然静观。这样,任何渴望成为完美智慧之完美爱人的人,都能表明什么是唯一合理的,即两种律法,自然律与成文律,受造物与圣经,具有同等的价值和同等的尊严,它们相互教导相同的事物,两者之间没有高低之分。这是一个令人惊叹的声明。此时有什么问题吗?因为我想继续向前推进。所以要么你完全理解了,要么就是它太令人困惑和迷惑了。

Hopefully it’ll come a little clearer through this next paragraph. So now he goes on to talk about what he calls these two laws, the law of creation and the law of scripture. Now the natural law, on the one hand, is to the highest possible degree evenly directed by reason. Here he means sort of divine reason. So that creation is ordered and directed by reason. Through the marvelous physical phenomena that we see, and really who can look, who can come to a place like Alaska and not believe that, and fail to realize that there’s some mind, there’s some intelligence behind all of this, right? And there’s a logoy behind the individual beings and there’s a mind even behind that. So the natural law is directed by reason through these physical phenomena, which are naturally interconnected. So that the harmonious web of the universe is contained within it, contained within the natural law, like the various elements in a book. So the world is like a big book, right? For letters and syllables, it has physical bodies, the objects in the world. These being the first things that come to our attention. Since they are proximate and particular, having acquired density through the conjunction of various qualities. That simply is a way of saying that different things have formed by interaction with other things and have acquired the shapes that they have. So it’s got letters and syllables. It also has words, which are more universal than these, and are further removed. Now think about what he’s saying, that the letters and the syllables are the things we see every day. The tree, the bird, the river, the mountain, the cloud, those are the letters and syllables of the book of creation. Now if I scattered a series of letters and syllables on the floor in front of you, they wouldn’t add up to much, would they? It could be like nonsense poetry, or what does it all mean? Just letters and syllables, right? These are the things that are most immediate to us. Just like when you open up a book and you start to read, the first thing you see are the actual, like a child has to spell out a word or sound out a, right? That’s the first. But it also has words, he says, which are more universal than these, more general, right? And are further removed from us and much more subtle because the words now are the meaning of the thing. This is the inner meaning of the letters and the syllables and the trees and the birds and the mountains and so on. Further removed and much more subtle. And it is from these that the word who has wisely inscribed them, the Logos has written these letters and syllables and words into the world, who has wisely inscribed them and is himself ineffably inscribed within them. It is through all of these things that he is rendered legible when he is read by us, communicating to us solely the concept that he exists and not what he is. We can know from reading the book of creation, we can know that God exists. But what exactly he is, that the book doesn’t tell us. It can’t really. That he exists and not what he is. For through the reverent combination of multiple impressions gathered from nature, he leads us to a unitary idea of the truth, allowing himself to be seen by analogy through the visible things as their creator. Now let’s be clear about this. Now he’s not talking about what a scientist does. He would say that a scientist is still studying nature on a very superficial level, right? The scientist is dealing with maybe the letters and the syllables and trying to make sort of connections between them. He’s talking about a spiritual contemplation of nature. He’s talking about the grace of the Holy Spirit that enables somebody to intuit or to realize or to experience the presence of God in creation. So it’s not something that anybody can do by going outside and walking through the park. It’s much deeper than that. I mean, you can walk out on the park and have a great experience, right? Because that’s God’s creation too. But that’s still superficial. That could be a very human thing, a romantic thing, or what have you, right? A New England transcendentalist kind of thing, right? People like Thoreau or Walden and… It’s not that. It’s not that. It’s something much profound. It’s this. With purified eyes and with a purified heart and with a purified mind, stripped of the veils of the passions, the glory of God that is inherent in the created world now becomes manifest to me. And the image that he uses, the analogy that he uses is that of a book. There’s meaning out there. There’s intelligibility out there. Because it comes from God and God himself, he says, has not only put the words in this book, but has also inscribed himself in those words. Any questions about this or comments or just something I could say that might make it clearer or expressions of I see some doubt or perplexity on some faces or… It’s good to be perplexed sometimes. We were talking about this last night with my brother and he said, my brother said, I didn’t get it all, he said, but I got the idea that our tradition is just so rich and so sophisticated. It’s really beyond anything I ever, so that was lesson enough for me, he said. Please, I don’t pretend to understand all of this either. This is, as I said at the start of all of this, this is by far the most difficult theological material that we have in our tradition, so don’t feel bad if it doesn’t make sense or it’s not immediately clear. But I assure you that it’s actually much simpler than some of the high-flying language might make it sound. I think that, which is why the image of the book is helpful. So, okay. Can we move on? Yes. Oh, I’m sorry. Moses, I didn’t see you. Yeah? Ineffably is the adverb here and it simply means in a manner beyond speech.

希望通过下一段能讲得更清楚一点。现在他接着谈论他所谓的这两条律法,即受造物的律法和圣经的律法。一方面,自然律在最高程度上由理性均匀地引导。这里他指的是某种神圣的理性。因此,受造物是由理性所安排和引导的。通过我们所看到的奇妙的物理现象,真的,谁看着这一切,谁来到像阿拉斯加这样的地方,会不相信,会意识不到这一切背后有某种心智,某种智慧呢,对吧?在个别存在物背后有某种“道”,甚至在其背后还有某种心智。因此,自然律通过这些自然相互联系的物理现象,由理性所引导。因此,宇宙和谐的网包含在其中,包含在自然律中,就像书中的各种元素一样。所以世界就像一本大书,对吧?至于字母和音节,它有物理实体,即世界上的物体。这些是我们最先注意到的事物。因为它们是切近的、具体的,通过各种性质的结合而获得了密度。这仅仅是表达不同事物通过与其他事物的相互作用而形成,并获得了它们所具有的形状的一种方式。所以它有字母和音节。它也有词汇,这些词汇比字母和音节更具普遍性,并且离我们更远。现在想想他在说什么,字母和音节是我们每天看到的事物。树、鸟、河流、山脉、云彩,这些就是受造物之书的字母和音节。现在,如果我在你面前的地板上撒下一连串的字母和音节,它们加起来也说明不了什么,对吧?这可能就像无意义的诗歌,或者这到底是什么意思?只是字母和音节而已,对吧?这些是对我们来说最直接的事物。就像当你打开一本书开始阅读时,你看到的第一件事就是实际的字母,就像一个孩子必须拼出一个单词或者发出一个音节,对吧?那是第一步。但他说,它也有词汇,这些词汇比字母和音节更具普遍性,更概括,对吧?并且离我们更远,也微妙得多,因为现在的词汇是事物的意义。这是字母、音节、树木、鸟类、山脉等等的内在意义。离我们更远,也微妙得多。正是从这些之中,那位智慧地铭刻了它们的“道”,将这字母、音节和词汇写入了世界,他智慧地铭刻了它们,并且他自己也以不可言喻的方式铭刻在其中。正是通过所有这些事物,当我们阅读他时,他变得清晰可读,仅仅向我们传达他存在的概念,而不是他是什么。通过阅读受造物之书,我们可以知道上帝存在。但他究竟是什么,这本书并没有告诉我们。它确实无法做到。他存在,而不是他是什么。因为通过将从自然中收集到的多种印象虔诚地结合起来,他引导我们走向对真理的单一观念,允许我们通过类比,在有形之物中看到他作为它们的创造者。现在让我们把这一点弄清楚。他现在说的不是科学家所做的事情。他会说科学家仍然在非常肤浅的层面上研究自然,对吧?科学家处理的可能是字母和音节,并试图在它们之间建立某种联系。他谈论的是对自然的属灵静观。他谈论的是圣灵的恩典,这恩典使某人能够直觉、意识到或体验到上帝在受造物中的同在。所以这不是任何人只要走到外面,穿过公园就能做到的事情。它比那要深刻得多。我的意思是,你可以走到公园里,获得很棒的体验,对吧?因为那也是上帝的受造物。但这仍然是肤浅的。那可能是一件非常人性化的事情,一件浪漫的事情,或者诸如此类的事情,对吧?就像新英格兰超验主义者那种感觉,对吧?像梭罗或者《瓦尔登湖》那样的人或事……不是那样的。不是那样的。那是某种深刻得多的东西。就是这个。以净化的眼睛、净化的心和净化的心灵,剥去情欲的面纱,固有于受造世界中的上帝的荣耀现在向我显现了。他使用的意象,他使用的类比,是一本书。那里有意义。那里有可理解性。因为它来自上帝,而且他说,上帝自己不仅把词汇放在了这本书里,而且也把自己铭刻在了这些词汇中。关于这个有什么问题或评论吗?或者我能说些什么让它更清楚吗?或者我看到一些脸上表现出怀疑或困惑的表情……有时候感到困惑是件好事。昨晚我和我兄弟谈论了这个,他说,我兄弟说,我没有完全懂,他说,但我明白了我们的传统是如此丰富和精深。这真的超越了我以前接触过的任何东西,所以对我来说这已经是足够的一课了,他说。拜托,我也不假装完全理解所有这些。正如我在这一切开始时所说的,这是迄今为止我们传统中最困难的神学材料,所以如果它没有意义或者不是立刻就能明白,不要感到难过。但我向你保证,它实际上比一些高深的语言听起来要简单得多。我认为这就是为什么书的意象很有帮助。那么,好吧。我们可以继续了吗?好的。哦,对不起。摩西,我没看到你。请讲?Ineffably(不可言喻地)是这里的副词,它的意思仅仅是“以超越言语的方式”。

Inexpressibly, in a manner beyond. There’s an interesting sort of paradox here because we have the logos of the word kind of shaping creation as letters and syllables and words. And then inscribing himself in those words ineffably, right? So it’s a qualification, it’s a safeguard, it underscores just the inherently… maybe the word mystery or mysterious is overused, but it does express a reality. And there is, if anything is mysterious, it’s the presence of God in creation. So how exactly the world comes into being and how exactly God has, the Logos has inscribed himself in the letters and the syllables and the words of God. This can’t be uttered. We were talking about the incarnation last night. Who can say, St. Maximus says somewhere else, who can say how God becomes man and continues to be God? It’s just beyond, even if you knew the answer, it would be outside of human speech. It’s something outside, it’s not available to human language. We don’t, it’s not, it’s something impossible for us to… does that answer your question? Okay, yes. I see we have one up front though, yeah. The heavens declare the glory of God and so on. Night speaks to night. This verse actually comes up somewhere else, not here. But that would be an orthodox interpretation of that psalm verse. The heavens declare the glory of God. I saw at least two or three questions. Yes. We’ll get to that. That’ll come up explicitly, I think, in the next paragraph. So if you can be a little patient, we’ll go into that. I didn’t want to open it up because it’s coming up later. So, yes. He says, allowing himself to be seen by analogy through visible things as they’re created. Yeah. What does he mean by analogy? There’s a whole book in there. But simply, think back to what we said last night. He allows, analogy here means in the appropriate measure, in the right proportion. So he allows himself to be seen, let’s say, in a drop of water, in a way appropriate to the way the divinity can be manifested through a drop of water, or through a mountain, or do you follow me? So that’s what that means. In a manner that’s in proportion to each being. Because the heavens declare the glory of God in one way, and the mountains maybe in another way, and that’s what that by analogy means. And that’s actually a term that he gets from Dionysius. And it’s italicized here because it’s actually from the Book of Wisdom. I don’t have the citation, but it’s actually a biblical phrase. It was there, yes, of creation, yeah. No, I think the way you described it is perfectly fine and accurate. He’s using a particular metaphor here, that of the book and that of words, and there are other ways to talk about it, but this is the way. And I think when you… metaphors condition concepts and ideas. So when you talk about a book and words and meaning, you’re talking about intelligibility. He’s not talking about life or being or wisdom. The idea here is sort of legibility, readability, that the word can be read. It’s the metaphor of the book that’s sort of central here. Why? Because he’s making the comparison with scripture, right? But it would apply to all the other sorts of notions that you mentioned. That creation is not extrinsic to God or separated from God, but God has somehow infused himself in beings, as Maximus would say, along the lines that we sort of sketched out last night. One more, was there one more hand back there or? No, okay, all right. Okay, let’s creep forward a few inches more. So that was on the one hand. The written law on the other hand. The written law on the other hand. Lost my place. Okay, the written law on the other hand. The knowledge of which is acquired through study. Now let’s not misinterpret the Greek word study here, meleti. This is not academic study. This is not signing up for a course in an introduction to the New Testament. That’s not what he means. This is not intellectual study. We wouldn’t want to exclude that ultimately from the study of this kind. This is spiritual study. This is devotional reading of scripture. This is not academic study of scripture. It’s not an intellectual, critical, deconstruction of, or historical, archaeological reading of scripture. It’s a spiritual reading of scripture. It’s more like prayer or meditation than it is study in the sense that we use it. I just wanted to clarify that. So the written law, by which he means scripture, okay, on the other hand, the knowledge of which is acquired through study is itself like another world, constituted by all that has been wisely uttered within it, having its own heaven. Earth and what comes between them, by which I mean ethical, natural, and theological philosophy. That’s sort of Maximian shorthand. Ethical philosophy means the moral life, the virtual life. Natural philosophy is the contemplation of nature that we just spoke about. And theological philosophy is not theology in an academic sense, but it’s knowledge of God. So it’s the whole gamut of human experience from the practical and the ethical and the moral up through higher virtues and then the mind and knowledge of God. The whole Bible is a world that contains the fullness, in a sense, of human experience. Proclaiming, and here’s Moses’ new word, proclaiming the ineffable power of the one who has spoken through it, showing that by virtue of their reciprocal interchange, the one law is identical to the other. That the law of creation is identical to the law of scripture. So that the written law is potentially identical to the natural law, and the natural law is by its permanent condition identical to the written law. I don’t fully understand that sentence myself,

难以言表,超越常理。这里有一个有趣的悖论,因为我们有作为“道”的圣言,以字母、音节和词语的形式塑造受造物。然后以不可言说的方式将自己铭刻在这些词语中,对吧?所以这是一种限定,一种保障,它强调了内在的……也许“奥迹”或“奥迹的”这个词被滥用了,但它确实表达了一种现实。如果说有什么是奥迹的,那就是上帝在受造物中的同在。所以世界究竟是如何产生的,上帝,即“道”,究竟是如何将自己铭刻在上帝的字母、音节和词语中的。这是无法言说的。我们昨晚在谈论道成肉身。谁能说呢,圣马克西姆在别处说过,谁能说上帝是如何成为人并继续是上帝的?这完全是超越的,即使你知道答案,它也超出了人类的语言。它是外在的,人类语言无法触及。我们无法……这不可能……这回答了你的问题吗?好的,是的。我看到前面有一个,是的。诸天述说上帝的荣耀等等。夜与夜交谈。这节经文实际上在别处出现过,不是这里。但这会是对那节诗篇的正统解释。诸天述说上帝的荣耀。我看到至少有两三个问题。是的。我们会讲到那个的。我想这会在下一段明确出现。所以如果你能稍微耐心一点,我们会探讨那个问题。我不想展开讲,因为后面会提到。所以,是的。他说,允许自己通过受造的可见事物,以类比的方式被看见。是的。他说的类比是什么意思?这可以写成一整本书。但简单来说,回想一下我们昨晚说的话。他允许,这里的类比意味着以适当的尺度,以正确的比例。所以他允许自己被看见,比方说,在一滴水中,以适合神性通过一滴水或一座山显现的方式,你明白我的意思吗?这就是它的意思。以与每个存在成比例的方式。因为诸天以一种方式述说上帝的荣耀,而群山可能以另一种方式,这就是“以类比的方式”的含义。这实际上是他从狄奥尼修斯那里借用的一个术语。这里它被斜体标出,因为它实际上出自《智慧书》。我没有具体的引文出处,但它确实是一个圣经短语。它在那里,是的,关于受造物,是的。不,我认为你描述的方式非常好且准确。他在这里使用了一个特定的隐喻,即书和词语的隐喻,还有其他方式来谈论它,但这是其中一种方式。我认为当你……隐喻会制约概念和思想。所以当你谈论一本书、词语和意义时,你谈论的是可理解性。他不是在谈论生命、存在或智慧。这里的想法有点像易读性、可读性,即道是可以被阅读的。书的隐喻在这里是核心。为什么?因为他在与圣经作比较,对吧?但它也适用于你提到的所有其他概念。受造物对上帝来说不是外在的,也没有与上帝分离,而是上帝以某种方式将自己注入到存在中,正如马克西姆会说的那样,沿着我们昨晚大致勾勒的思路。还有一个,后面还有举手吗?没有,好的,好吧。好的,让我们再往前挪几寸。所以那是一方面。另一方面是成文律法。另一方面是成文律法。我找不到读到哪了。好的,另一方面是成文律法。其知识是通过学习获得的。现在我们不要误解这里的希腊语词“学习”,meleti。这不是学术研究。这不是报名参加一门《新约导论》课程。那不是他的意思。这不是智力上的研究。我们不想最终将这种研究排除在这种学习之外。这是属灵的学习。这是对圣经的灵修阅读。这不是对圣经的学术研究。它不是对圣经的智力、批判性、解构性或历史、考古学的阅读。这是对圣经的属灵阅读。它更像祈祷或默念,而不是我们通常意义上的学习。我只是想澄清这一点。所以成文律法,他指的是圣经,好的,另一方面,通过学习获得的知识本身就像另一个世界,由其中被智慧地说出的一切构成,拥有它自己的天堂。大地以及它们之间的东西,我指的是伦理、自然和神学哲学。这是马克西姆式的简写。伦理哲学意味着道德生活,美德生活。自然哲学是我们刚才谈到的对自然的静观。而神学哲学不是学术意义上的神学,而是对上帝的认识。所以这是人类经验的全部范围,从实践、伦理和道德,一直到更高的美德,然后是心灵和对上帝的认识。整本圣经是一个世界,在某种意义上包含了人类经验的丰满。宣告,这是摩西的新词,宣告通过它说话的那位不可言喻的大能,表明由于它们的相互交替,一种律法与另一种律法是相同的。受造物的律法与圣经的律法是相同的。所以成文律法在潜能上与自然律相同,而自然律由于其永久条件与成文律法相同。我自己也没有完全理解那句话,

So I need to keep thinking about that. Both laws simultaneously reveal and conceal the same word. The one through written words and whatever is visible, and the other through ideas and whatever is hidden. For when we say that the words of Holy Scripture are garments, we understand from this that their inner meanings are the fleshes. I mean, you can say that in plural in Greek. It doesn’t sound good in English. But the sarkes, the fleshes of the word. And thus by means of the former we conceal, and by means of the latter we reveal. We’ll suffer through this more and then I’ll explain it. It’s really not that complicated. In the same way we can say that the forms and shapes of created things that appear within our vision are also garments, the fleshes of which are the principles according to which they were created. And likewise, by the former we conceal and by the latter we reveal. For the Word, who created the universe and established the law, the biblical law, is concealed in his manifestation, being invisible according to nature. And he is manifested through concealment, assuring those who are wise that by nature he cannot be apprehended. Now, what is all this about? Revelation, we think when something is revealed, we think, well, okay, the curtain is drawn back, and out comes the object to be revealed, and we see it. Now, he’s complicating that. He’s saying that revelation is actually a concealing of something, and that the concealing… so what does he mean by that? I thought I had a… does anybody have a tissue? A clean one, preferably. If we’re talking about a physical object in the world, if I said to you that I have something that I’m hiding here behind the lectern, and now I reveal it to you, right? So that revelation is pretty obvious. I mean, something that was hidden is now manifest. Something that was unseen is now seen, and you can see it. There’s no more hiding, right? And that’s how we normally think about revelation, right? But that only works, if you think about it, that only works when the thing being revealed is a finite physical object, right? That’s not what God is. God is not a finite physical object. So things are more complicated, right? God, first of all, is invisible. How can the visible be made visible? How can that which is infinite appear within the finite? How can that which is eternal appear within time? How can that which is not bounded by space appear within, let’s say, a spatial moment? How can this happen? So if I said to you, I have something, so I have an invisible reality. Is there an invisible object in my hand? I’m holding it in my hand. You can’t see it because it’s invisible, right? What can I do that will enable you to somehow see what is invisible? Well, that’s where the garments come in, where it says that he clothed himself in human flesh. So if I took a cloth or a garment and I put it over that object, well, the garment would show us the form of that invisible object, wouldn’t it? So what did I do? By concealing that invisible reality, I simultaneously revealed it to you. Because now you can see, now you can know something about it. Now the shape of it, now the form of it, right, is made apparent to you. So that’s how every revealing is a concealing, and how every concealing is a revealing, right? It takes a while to get used to the logic, but it’s actually very basic, and it’s the only thing appropriate to God, who is infinite, eternal, and invisible. Not capable of entering into our field of vision, right? So he goes on about that quite a bit, and if you don’t… I mean, the handkerchief trick helps, right? But it’s actually a modern European philosopher, Martin Heidegger. I don’t know if you ever read Maximus the Confessor, but he knew Aquinas and other writers and actually has a whole understanding of creation as revelation and concealment. It all comes out of the Christian tradition. So there is that paradox. There is that paradox in terms of when the divine reveals itself, it can only do so by somehow misrepresenting itself in a way, by appearing in a form that we are actually able to see. And it shows us something which is true, it’s not a lie, it’s not false, it’s true, but it doesn’t exhaust the reality of the divine that has presented it to itself. It’s what we’re able to see. I’m sorry, who’s speaking? I can’t see you. Oh, I’m sorry, yes, go ahead. Well, that’s true in some circumstances, but if we think about the body of Christ as the veil that somehow covers his divinity, and that body is the thing that gives God a human face in Christ. I mean, just think about that, right? It’s that veil of the flesh, in a sense, the garment of the flesh that enables us to see the face of God, but that’s his body. That’s nobody else’s flesh. That’s nobody else’s body. So it’s not… What was the word that you used? I’m sorry, by saying what it’s not. No. He is not. God is not the body. God is not flesh. But that is his body. So it’s true and it’s real and it’s his. It doesn’t misrepresent him, I mean, in any kind of fundamental way. So any comments on this or questions? Yes? Is the garment then? Well, he said, everything in the world is a garment. All the physical forms in the world, these are garments beneath which, right, and through which the divine discloses itself to us. The words of scripture are garments, right, that clothe these spiritual or intelligible ideas. The body of Christ is that garment. We were talking about this the other day. In the iconography of the Annunciation, what is the Virgin doing at the moment of the Archangel’s arrival? Not according to the Gospel of Luke, but according to the icon. Anybody know? I’m sure you do. She’s doing what you’re doing, actually. She has a spool of thread. She’s knitting.

所以我需要继续思考这个问题。两种律法同时揭示和隐藏了同一个道。一种是通过文字和可见之物,另一种是通过观念和隐藏之物。因为当我们说圣经的话语是外衣时,我们从中理解到它们的内在含义是肉体。我的意思是,在希腊语中你可以用复数形式来表达。这在英语里听起来不太好。但是“sarkes”,即道的肉体。因此,通过前者我们隐藏,通过后者我们揭示。我们还要再忍受一下这个,然后我会解释。它其实没那么复杂。同样地,我们可以说出现在我们视野中的受造物的形式和形状也是外衣,其肉体是它们受造时所依据的原则。同样,通过前者我们隐藏,通过后者我们揭示。因为创造了宇宙并确立了律法(即圣经律法)的道,在其显现中是隐藏的,因为按其本性他是不可见的。他通过隐藏来显现,以此向智者保证,按其本性他是无法被理解的。那么,这到底是怎么回事?启示,当我们想到某物被揭示时,我们会想,好吧,幕布拉开了,要被揭示的物体出来了,我们就看到了它。现在,他把这弄复杂了。他是说启示实际上是对某物的隐藏,而这种隐藏……那么他是什么意思呢?我以为我有一个……有人有纸巾吗?最好是干净的。如果我们谈论的是世界上的一个物理对象,如果我对你们说我有东西藏在这讲台后面,现在我要向你们揭示它,对吧?所以那种启示是相当明显的。我的意思是,曾经隐藏的东西现在显现了。曾经看不见的东西现在看见了,你们能看到它。不再隐藏了,对吧?这就是我们通常对启示的看法,对吧?但如果你仔细想想,这只有在被揭示的事物是一个有限的物理对象时才成立,对吧?上帝不是这样的。上帝不是一个有限的物理对象。所以事情更复杂了,对吧?首先,上帝是不可见的。不可见的如何能变得可见?无限的如何能在有限中显现?永恒的如何能在时间中显现?不受空间限制的如何能在一个空间瞬间中显现?这可能发生吗?所以如果我对你们说,我有一个东西,我有一个不可见的现实。我手里有一个不可见的物体吗?我把它拿在手里。你们看不到它,因为它是不可见的,对吧?我能做什么让你们以某种方式看到不可见之物呢?嗯,这就是外衣发挥作用的地方,经上说他穿上了人的肉体。所以如果我拿一块布或一件外衣,把它盖在那个物体上,那么这件外衣就会向我们展示那个不可见物体的形状,不是吗?那么我做了什么?通过隐藏那个不可见的现实,我同时向你们揭示了它。因为现在你们能看到,现在你们能知道关于它的一些事情。现在它的形状,它的形式,对吧,对你们来说变得明显了。所以这就是为什么每一次揭示都是一次隐藏,每一次隐藏都是一次揭示,对吧?适应这种逻辑需要一点时间,但它其实非常基础,而且是唯一适合上帝的方式,因为上帝是无限的、永恒的和不可见的。无法进入我们的视野,对吧?所以他对此讲了很多,如果你们不……我的意思是,手帕这个把戏有帮助,对吧?但这其实是一位现代欧洲哲学家,马丁·海德格尔。我不知道你们是否读过认信者马克西姆,但他了解阿奎那和其他作家,并且实际上有一整套将受造物视为启示和隐藏的理解。这一切都源于基督教传统。所以存在那个悖论。就神圣事物揭示自身而言,存在这样一个悖论:它只能通过某种方式歪曲自己,以我们实际能够看到的形式出现,才能做到这一点。它向我们展示的是真实的东西,这不是谎言,不是虚假的,是真实的,但它并没有穷尽向自身呈现的神圣现实。那是我们能够看到的。抱歉,谁在说话?我看不到你。哦,抱歉,好的,请讲。嗯,在某些情况下确实如此,但如果我们把基督的身体看作是某种掩盖他神性的幔子,而那个身体是在基督里赋予上帝人类面貌的东西。我的意思是,想想看,对吧?从某种意义上说,正是那肉体的幔子,那肉体的外衣,使我们能够看到上帝的面容,但那是他的身体。那不是别人的肉体。那不是别人的身体。所以这不是……你用的那个词是什么?抱歉,通过说它不是什么。不。他不是。上帝不是身体。上帝不是肉体。但那是他的身体。所以它是真实的,是实在的,是他的。它并没有在任何根本意义上歪曲他。那么对此有什么评论或问题吗?有?那么外衣是?嗯,他说,世界上的一切都是外衣。世界上所有的物理形式,这些都是外衣,在其之下,对吧,并通过它们,神圣事物向我们显现。圣经的话语是外衣,对吧,它们为这些属灵的或可理解的观念穿上衣服。基督的身体就是那件外衣。我们前几天谈论过这个。在天使报喜的圣像中,当天使长到达的那一刻,童贞女在做什么?不是根据路加福音,而是根据圣像。有人知道吗?我相信你们知道。她实际上正在做你们正在做的事情。她拿着一卷线。她在编织。

She’s actually got a clump of wool, and she’s pulling out a strand. She’s producing thread. What is she producing the thread for? The curtain, what curtain? The veil of the temple. She’s spinning thread for the veil of the temple. This comes from an apocryphal gospel, but the Mishnah actually calls for a series of maidens, young maidens, which means virgins, to periodically produce the coverings and the cloths and the fabrics and the textiles for the temple. So if the Theotokos is spinning that thread to produce that curtain, what happens to that curtain? What happens to it? It’s torn in two. When? At the same moment that the body is rent, right? Ripped open by, right? And where does all this come from? Ultimately, the letter to the Hebrews, where it talks about Christ as the great high priest going through the outer curtain, which is, it says, his flesh. So if the letter to the Hebrews allegorizes the temple curtain as the flesh of Christ, now how does that work? Because, again, the God of Israel is invisible. You can’t see him. But if we put this big curtain up there, we all know that he’s behind there. So that curtain, the veil of the temple, both conceals and reveals. And that’s a type of the incarnation. Because he is, she weaves a veil of flesh for him through her body, through her tissue. And modern science, by the way, continues to talk about the production of DNA on a mitotic spindle. The histology, which is the study of tissue, histos is the word for the loom and for spinning and weaving. We still have those fibers and threads and so on. We still have that language in our scientific literature. So at the moment of conception, she begins to weave and spin this veil of flesh to create a garment for the invisible divinity so that God can enter into our space and time and world. So it’s all there in that little tiny piece of thread that she’s holding in the icon of the Annunciation. Patristic Nectar Publications presents The Life and Teaching of St. Maximus the Confessor by Father Maximus Simonopetridis. Lecture 6. The Theology of St. Maximus Part 2. The Ambigua. All right, and now we get to the apophatic negation. This is paragraph 5. We’re almost done, so it’s not so bad. Let us then make manifest what is hidden by means of an apophatic negation. So that means that I can make God manifest to you in a certain sense by describing God as light, right? Light is a physical image. I mean, it’s a symbol. It’s something in our created world. And I can say something real and true and positive about God by describing him to you as light. And indeed, Christ himself says, I am the light of the world. But God isn’t physical light. God isn’t a collection of photons. I mean, God isn’t the sun in the sky. He’s something beyond physical light. So the light, in a sense, reveals to us something about God, just as if I said God is Life, or God is the door, or Christ is divine, right? These are veils, in a sense, that are verbal veils, that reveal something about Christ. He is the door, he is the vine, he is the way, he is the road, he is the resurrection, he is the life, he is the light, he is all those things.

她实际上拿着一团羊毛,正在抽出一根线。她在纺线。她纺线是为了什么?为了幔子,什么幔子?圣殿的幔子。她在为圣殿的幔子纺线。这出自一部次经福音书,但《密西拿》实际上要求一系列少女,年轻的少女,也就是处女,定期为圣殿制作遮盖物、布料、织物和纺织品。所以,如果诞神女在纺线以制作那幔子,那幔子后来怎么了?它怎么了?它被撕成了两半。什么时候?就在身体被撕裂的同一时刻,对吧?被撕裂,对吧?这一切都源自哪里呢?最终,是《希伯来书》,其中谈到基督作为大祭司穿过外面的幔子,那幔子,它说,就是他的肉体。因此,如果《希伯来书》将圣殿的幔子寓意化为基督的肉体,那这是如何运作的呢?因为,再说一次,以色列的上帝是不可见的。你看不见他。但如果我们把这块大幔子挂在那里,我们大家都知道他在幔子后面。所以那幔子,圣殿的幔子,既隐藏又启示。这就是道成肉身的一个预表。因为他,她通过自己的身体,通过自己的组织,为他编织了一层肉体的幔子。顺便说一句,现代科学仍然在谈论在有丝分裂纺锤体上生成DNA。组织学,也就是研究组织的学科,histos这个词就是指织布机、纺纱和编织。我们仍然有这些纤维和线等等。我们的科学文献中仍然保留着这种语言。所以在受孕的那一刻,她开始编织和纺织这层肉体的幔子,为不可见的神性创造一件衣裳,好让上帝能够进入我们的空间、时间和世界。所以,这一切都蕴含在《天使报喜》圣像中她拿着的那一小段线里。教父甘露出版社推出,由马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父主讲《认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导》。第六讲。圣马克西姆的神学第二部分。《难题篇》。好了,现在我们进入否定神学的否定。这是第5段。我们快讲完了,所以还不算太糟。那么,让我们通过否定神学的否定来显明隐藏的事物。这意味着,在某种意义上,我可以通过将上帝描述为光来向你们显明上帝,对吧?光是一个物理形象。我的意思是,它是一个象征。它是我们受造世界中的某种事物。通过将上帝描述为光,我可以对上帝说出一些真实、正确且肯定的话。事实上,基督自己也说:“我是世界的光。”但上帝不是物理上的光。上帝不是光子的集合。我的意思是,上帝不是天空中的太阳。他是超越物理之光的存在。所以,光在某种意义上向我们揭示了关于上帝的某些事情,就像我说上帝是生命,或者上帝是门,或者基督是神圣的,对吧?这些在某种意义上是幔子,是言语的幔子,揭示了关于基督的某些事情。他是门,他是葡萄树,他是道路,他是途径,他是复活,他是生命,他是光,他是所有这一切。

They reveal him or they reveal aspects of Christ’s being to us, but they also conceal in a sense because he’s not a door, he’s not a vine, he’s not a road. So let us make manifest what is hidden by means of an apophatic negation. That’s just a way of saying that there is the symbol, there is the garment, and it does convey something positive and true and real, but it’s not the whole story. And for some people it could become a surface manifestation devoid of any kind of depth. So that has to be negated, that we can’t get stuck on the forms and the words and the syllables and all that sort of thing. They’re there, we need them, they don’t go away. But they’re not opaque, they’re not intended to be dead ends or limits. And this whole idea of passing through from the one level to the other, from flesh to the spirit, from letter to the spirit. You don’t get stuck on the letter. So let us not get stuck and let us reveal what is hidden by negating it, by transcending it in our mind. Yes, the image of Christ as the divine is one of the many beautiful images of Christ in the New Testament. Earlier there was talk about agriculture and growing. That’s a very beautiful and a very powerful image. But that is not the limit of the divine reality. That’s not an exhaustive description or expression or characterization of the divine reality. So that has to be transcended. It says something true about Christ, but it doesn’t say everything about him, because we are finite, he is infinite, and so on. We need these forms and symbols and letters and so forth as a way to keep moving towards him. So, leaving aside every capacity to picture the truth as part of the negation, let us leave aside every capacity to picture the truth by means of figures and signs, being lifted up in silence, I suspect the ineffability, being lifted up in silence by the power of the Spirit from written words and visible things to the word himself. And he’s talking about a moment of mystical contemplation here. Or let us conceal what has been manifested by giving it positive names and attributes. Let us conceal it by naming it. Let us call it light, let us call it road, let us call it door. We can do one or the other; we can negate, we can remove the veil or put the veil on. We can focus on the word or focus on the spirit. And one is a revealing and one is a concealing.

它们向我们揭示了他,或者揭示了他作为基督存在的某些方面,但在某种意义上它们也隐藏了,因为他不是一扇门,他不是一棵葡萄树,他不是一条路。因此,让我们通过否定神学的否定来彰显那隐藏的事物。这只是表达的一种方式:有象征,有外衣,它确实传达了某种积极的、真实的和实在的东西,但这并不是全部。对某些人来说,它可能变成一种缺乏任何深度的表面表现。所以这必须被否定,我们不能停留在形式、词语、音节以及诸如此类的事物上。它们就在那里,我们需要它们,它们不会消失。但它们不是不透明的,它们不是注定要成为死胡同或限制。还有这种从一个层面跨越到另一个层面的整体观念,从肉体到灵,从字句到灵。你不能停留在字句上。所以,让我们不要停滞不前,让我们通过否定它、在我们的心灵中超越它,来揭示那隐藏的事物。是的,基督作为神圣者的形象是新约中关于基督的众多美丽形象之一。早些时候谈到了农业和生长。那是一个非常美丽且非常有力的形象。但这并不是神圣实在的极限。那不是对神圣实在的详尽描述、表达或刻画。所以那必须被超越。它讲述了关于基督的一些真实情况,但它并没有讲述关于他的一切,因为我们是有限的,他是无限的,等等。我们需要这些形式、象征、字母等等,作为不断向他迈进的一种方式。因此,作为否定的一部分,抛开所有描绘真理的能力,让我们抛开所有通过图形和符号来描绘真理的能力,在安静中被提升,我猜想是不可言说性,借着圣灵的大能,在安静中从书写的文字和可见的事物被提升到道本身。他在这里谈论的是奥迹的静观的时刻。或者让我们通过赋予它积极的名称和属性来隐藏已经彰显的事物。让我们通过命名来隐藏它。让我们称它为光,让我们称它为路,让我们称它为门。我们可以做其中之一;我们可以否定,我们可以揭开面纱或盖上面纱。我们可以专注于字句,或者专注于灵。一个是揭示,一个是隐藏。

We might not need to read the rest of this because otherwise this will be like the Greeks or the Jews, both of whom are incapable of understanding this because the Greeks can only see the superficial, beautiful appearances of things because they’re all about beauty and form and loveliness and all of that. And the Jews are just sort of fixated on the actual letter, and are incapable of seeing the spirit. That might sound anti-Semitic, but it’s Pauline again. It’s the idea of the letter killing, but the spirit giving life. And toward the end of that paragraph,

where it says, for like Greeks and Jews, it’s a little more than halfway down, paragraph 5. For like Greeks and Jews, we will have failed to discern the word, who for our sake became like us and came to us through the body, and likewise grew thick in syllables and letters, in both cases because of the senses, because of our senses, because we are sense-perceptible creatures, and we need the letters and the words and the forms and the figures and everything else,

because of the senses, which had all but absorbed our capacity for higher intellection. This is why the divine apostle says, the letter kills, but the spirit gives life. For when the letter is desired only for itself, or when the surface is desired for itself, or whatever it might be, it tends to kill the indwelling word in those who are subject to such desire. Just as the beauty of creatures, creations, when not beheld for the glory of their creator, inevitably deprives the beholders of their rational devotion to the word. So if you get fixated on the surface, if you get stuck on the words and can’t see the spirit behind the letter, if you get fixated on surface appearances and can’t see the depth of things, you will, he says, actually kill the indwelling word that is within you.

Deprive yourself because rational devotion, that’s from scripture, this logiki means spiritual really devotion to, because you’re all about appearances. And we have a little bit left and then we’re done, so we’ll just read six and I think that’ll be enough for today. So therefore it seems to me that as rational beings we must necessarily take thought for the body of Holy Scripture which is far superior to the garments, the garments of the words, the bodies, the meaning, by which I mean its inner meanings, which are divine and exalted, as well as for the inward aspects of creation, and so hasten by means of reason to the divine reason. For he himself says that the soul is more than food, and the body is more than clothing. Clever, huh?

Otherwise, there may come a time when we are caught having nothing, since in our urge to possess these things we failed to take hold of the Word who exists and brings all things into existence, and so find ourselves like that Egyptian woman who grasped only the garments of Joseph, completely failing to attain intercourse with the object of her desire. So how clever to bring in the body is more than clothing. So it’s not the clothing or the garments, it’s the body. Not the outer, it’s the inner. Otherwise we’ll be like the woman in the Old Testament who grabbed onto the garments and lost the body.

我们可能不需要读剩下的部分了,因为否则这就像希腊人或犹太人一样,他们都无法理解这一点,因为希腊人只能看到事物表面美丽的形象,因为他们只在乎美、形式和可爱之类的东西。而犹太人只是有点执着于实际的字句,无法看到灵。这听起来可能像反犹太主义,但这又是保罗神学的观点。这是字句叫人死,灵叫人活的思想。在那段的结尾,

上面写着,就像希腊人和犹太人一样,在第五段中间偏下的位置。就像希腊人和犹太人一样,我们将无法分辨那道,他为了我们的缘故变得像我们一样,并通过身体来到我们这里,同样在音节和字母中变得厚重,在这两种情况下都是因为感官,因为我们的感官,因为我们是感官可感知的受造物,我们需要字母、词语、形式、图形以及其他一切,

因为感官几乎吸收了我们进行更高层次思考的能力。这就是为什么神圣的使徒说,字句叫人死,灵叫人活。因为当字句仅仅为了其自身而被渴望时,或者当表面仅仅为了其自身而被渴望时,或者无论它可能是什么,它往往会杀死那些受这种欲望支配的人内在的道。就像受造物、受造物的美,当不是为了创造者的荣耀而被注视时,不可避免地剥夺注视者对道的理性敬拜。因此,如果你执着于表面,如果你困在词语中而看不到字句背后的灵,如果你执着于表面现象而看不到事物的深度,他说,你实际上会杀死你内在的道。

剥夺你自己,因为理性的敬拜,那是出自圣经,这个logiki实际上意味着属灵的敬拜,因为你只在乎外表。我们还有一点内容然后就结束了,所以我们只读第六段,我想今天这样就足够了。因此,在我看来,作为理性的存在,我们必须必然为圣经的身体着想,它远胜于衣服,词语的衣服,身体,意义,我指的是它内在的意义,这些意义是神圣和崇高的,以及受造物的内在方面,从而通过理性迅速达到神圣的理性。因为他自己说,灵魂胜于饮食,身体胜于衣裳。很聪明,是吧?

否则,可能会有一个时候我们发现自己一无所有,因为在我们渴望占有这些东西时,我们未能抓住那存在并使万物存在的道,从而发现自己像那个埃及女人一样,只抓住了约瑟的衣服,完全没有达到与她渴望的对象结合。所以引入“身体胜于衣裳”是多么聪明。所以不是衣服或外衣,而是身体。不是外在的,而是内在的。否则我们就会像旧约中那个抓住衣服却失去了身体的女人一样。

It’s an ingenious kind of gathering of these scriptural loci. So to recapitulate, we have this extraordinary doctrine in which creation and scripture are sort of two… What’s the word I want? Two equal in a sense, right? Orders, or really worlds in a way, both of which are manifestations of Christ, of the Word, for those who have the eyes to see, for those who are able to, through ascetic practice, through struggle, through purification, with God’s grace, who can look past appearances, see beyond appearances, and to know the presence of God that… dwells within scripture and that dwells… think about an icon for you. What is an icon? Right? Icons are not depictions of the physical surfaces of human beings. They’re not attempts to reproduce what the physical eye sees. Photography was invented in the mid-19th century. We now have photographs of individuals that have been canonized as saints. It’s a photograph of Saint Nectarios, a photograph of Saint Silouan, etc. We do not use those in church. We don’t put them on the icon screen, right? Because even though these are photographs of saints, they are still photographs of their mortal, corruptible bodies. And that’s the surface. That’s the surface appearance. That’s the garment in a sense. And what the church gives us in the icon is not the surface, but the depth. It gives us a spiritual vision. It gives us the image of that person transformed by the Holy Spirit. So it doesn’t give us the garment, it gives us the body, it doesn’t give us the letter, it gives us the spirit. It doesn’t give us the fallen outward physiognomy, it gives us the spiritual character of the person. So the church in its wisdom knows, okay, not everybody is sharp enough to see these things, right? Because we’re busy, we’re distracted, we’re sinful, we’re filled with passions. But look, you walk into the church, why is everything different in the church? Why is everything different in the church? The language that we use, the music that we use, the architecture is different, the iconography is different, the music is different. We don’t have secular tunes or secular architecture or secular, none of that stuff. Everything has been transformed. Everything, as if the church is saying, this is what the world looks like if you had the spiritual eyes to see it.

这是一种对这些圣经经文(loci)的巧妙汇集。所以,回顾一下, 我们有这个非凡的教义,其中受造物和圣经在某种意义上是两个…… 我想用什么词来着?在某种意义上是两个平等的,对吧?是秩序,或者实际上在某种意义上是两个世界, 两者都是基督、是道的彰显,对于那些有眼能看的人,对于那些能够通过克修实践、通过挣扎、通过净化,在上帝的恩典中,能够看透表象、超越表象,并认识上帝的同在的人而言,这同在…… 居住在圣经之内,并且居住在……为你想想一幅圣像。什么是圣像?对吧?圣像不是对人类物理表面的描绘。它们不是试图重现肉眼所见之物。 摄影术发明于19世纪中叶。我们现在有一些被册封为圣人的个人的照片。有圣奈克塔里奥斯的照片,有圣西卢安的照片等等。我们在教会中不使用这些。我们不把它们放在圣像屏上,对吧? 因为即使这些是圣人的照片,它们仍然是他们必朽坏、可腐朽之身体的照片。 那是表面。那是表面外观。在某种意义上那是外衣。而教会在圣像中赐予我们的不是表面,而是深度。它赐予我们属灵视觉。它赐予我们那个人被圣灵转变后的形象。所以它不给我们外衣,它给我们身体;它不给我们字句,它给我们灵。它不给我们堕落的外在容貌,它给我们那个人的属灵特质。所以教会在其智慧中知道,好吧,并不是每个人都有足够的敏锐度来看见这些事,对吧?因为我们忙碌,我们分心,我们有罪,我们充满了情欲。但是你看,你走进教会,为什么教会里的一切都不一样? 为什么教会里的一切都不一样?我们使用的语言,我们使用的音乐,建筑是不同的,圣像画是不同的,音乐是不同的。我们没有世俗的曲调或世俗的建筑或世俗的,没有那些东西。一切都已被转变。 一切,就好像教会在说,如果你有灵眼去看,这就是世界看起来的样子。

We don’t, in the same way that we don’t offer, we don’t pluck grapes off the trees and put them on the… even the grapes are transformed into wine. We don’t take sheaves of wheat and drop them on the altar table. Those are transformed, everything is transformed. And the logic of the transformation is to spiritualize whatever is being transformed. And so the simplest example for this is if you go to the Church of St. Sophia in Constantinople. You have these massive marble columns on the main floor of the church with these huge capitals on top of them. They must weigh a couple of tons. I mean, they’re granite or marble or whatever they are. But the carver’s art has transformed these huge blocks of stone by drilling deeply into them and putting floral patterns on them. And you look at the thing, and it looks like a basket of lace, right? It doesn’t look like a heavy, dense, inert block of stone anymore. It looks like you could bounce it on your hand, right? And the whole aesthetic of that church, by the way, is designed to create this impression. I’ll give you one more example. Go back to the board here. It’s one of these magic blackboards. You write on it at night and you close the doors and you open them in the morning. But having tried to make a joke, I find myself without a magic marker. Oh, there’s one here too. So just one more example because maybe it helps concretize some of this, no pun intended. On the lower level of, on the first level of the Church of St. Sophia, you have, for example, kind of an arcade with a row of, these are actually columns with the capitals, with all the carving on them. Now if you look at older Roman and Greek architecture, you rarely had a second level, but when you did, the second level of columns just went right on top of the lower level because of the stress and the weight and the structural mechanics and everything else. Rather ungainly looking to have column on top of column on top of column. But if you look, this is not what they did in St. Sophia. I should actually make this better for us to see. We’ll just do it like this so it’s simpler. They put the second row of columns right here. In other words, where the eye would expect this to be the weakest part of the structure, they put the second row of columns. And this is the way it goes all the way up. So it creates this impression. I mean, it doesn’t make sense in a way. It’s illogical to place these columns on top of these spaces. And it’s all done through architectural, I don’t want to say trickery. But there are counterweights and piers and, right, the real support, these are not, these columns are not actually resting on those surfaces. They have counter, there are piers that actually hold them up. But when you look at the thing, it doesn’t look like the building goes from the ground up, it looks like it’s sort of dropped down from above. Anyway, the whole aesthetic of the art of the Orthodox Church is precisely this attempt, the iconographer or the artist or the carver, attempts to discern the spiritual potential within matter and through his or her art to make that manifest, to bring that out.

我们不这样做,就像我们不奉献一样,我们不会从树上摘下葡萄放在……甚至葡萄也被转变为酒。我们不会拿一捆捆的小麦扔在祭坛上。那些都被转变了,一切都被转变了。而转变的逻辑是将任何被转变的事物属灵化。因此,最简单的例子是,如果你去君士坦丁堡的圣索菲亚大教堂。在教堂的主楼层,你有这些巨大的大理石柱,柱顶有这些巨大的柱头。它们肯定有几吨重。我的意思是,它们是花岗岩或大理石或别的什么。但是雕刻家的艺术通过在石头上深深钻孔并雕刻花卉图案,转变了这些巨大的石块。你看着这东西,它看起来像一个蕾丝篮子,对吧?它看起来不再像一块沉重、致密、惰性的石头。看起来你可以在手上颠它,对吧?顺便说一句,那座教堂的整体美学就是为了创造这种印象而设计的。我再给你举个例子。回到这里的黑板。这是那种神奇的黑板之一。你晚上在上面写字,关上门,早上再打开。但是在试图开个玩笑之后,我发现自己没有魔术笔。哦,这里也有一支。所以再举一个例子,因为也许这有助于使其中一些具体化,没有双关语的意思。在圣索菲亚大教堂的下层,也就是第一层,例如,你有一种拱廊,有一排……这些实际上是带有柱头的柱子,上面有所有的雕刻。现在,如果你看看古老的罗马和希腊建筑,你很少会有第二层,但当你有时,第二层的柱子就直接放在下层之上,因为应力、重量、结构力学以及其他一切因素。柱子叠着柱子叠着柱子看起来相当笨拙。但如果你看,这不是他们在圣索菲亚大教堂所做的。我其实应该把这个弄得好一点让我们看。我们就这样做,这样更简单。他们把第二排柱子放在这里。换句话说,在眼睛看来这应该是结构最薄弱的地方,他们把第二排柱子放在那里。而且它一直这样上去。所以它创造了这种印象。我的意思是,在某种程度上这说不通。把这些柱子放在这些空间之上是不合逻辑的。而这一切都是通过建筑上的……我不想说是障眼法。但是有平衡重和墩柱,对吧,真正的支撑,这些不是,这些柱子实际上并没有搁在这些表面上。它们有平衡……有墩柱实际上支撑着它们。但当你看着这东西时,它看起来不像是建筑从地面建起的,它看起来像是从上面掉下来的。无论如何,东正教艺术的整个美学正是这种尝试,圣像画家或艺术家或雕刻家,试图辨别物质内的属灵潜能,并通过他或她的艺术使其显现,将其展现出来。

That’s a simple, maybe artistic way of thinking about the logoi of creation. Anyway, I think we ended a little early, so there’s time for questions, but are we okay? Yes. No, no. It’s a kind of a crude analogy, but it’s a helpful one. There’s an architect, and he’s going to build a house. And before he starts to build, he has an idea of the house in his mind. There’s an image of the house in his mind. Anybody who’s an artist who has to draw or paint usually starts with some idea in their mind. And then the struggle is to somehow actualize or reproduce on paper or with paints the idea that you had in your mind, and of course matter is difficult, it doesn’t yield quite so easily to your thoughts, right? The pencil point breaks, the paper tears, the paint spills, things happen, it doesn’t quite correspond to it. But the architect has this idea of the house in his mind, and that idea, in a sense, that would be the little logos, the logoi, sort of like the blueprint of the thing. It’s the idea of you in a sense. It’s the ground of your being in God. It’s also the cause of your existence in God. It has a causal relationship to you, the effect of that cause in a sense. In the same way the blueprint is on one level the cause of the house. Sort of the formal cause they would call it. So the resurrected body, the body of the house is separate now. The house collapsed. The house got old over time, started sagging here and there, and the roof fell in and they got knocked down. The resurrected house now will be rebuilt, right? And scripture talks about the body as the tent, it’s the dwelling, it is the house in a sense. It will be rebuilt, refashioned, transfigured. The very molecular elements will be completely transformed. It’ll still be you, it’ll be your body, the matter that makes up you, right? I’m sorry? No, the same blueprint. But now it’ll be utterly perfect. Because the logos is our way of talking about the Logos, it’s like saying, would it be the same logos, right? You wouldn’t ask that question. Because the Logoi are the Logos sort of self-multiplied in a way. It’s the one made many so that there can be many. But within the Logos himself, there’s no differentiation. All of those Logoi, we would say, are present in him uniformly, in a singular, simple way. There’s no difference or composition or complexity in God. But when seen from the point of view of creatures, like those rays of the sun that I spoke about last night that give light to everyone and warmth and so on. So,

这是一种简单的,也许是艺术化的方式来思考创造的众道。不管怎样,我想我们结束得有点早,所以还有时间提问,大家都还好吗? 是的。 不,不。这是一种有点粗糙的类比,但很有帮助。 有一个建筑师,他要建一座房子。 在他开始建造之前,他脑海中已经有了这座房子的构想。他脑海中有一座房子的图像。任何必须画画或作画的艺术家,通常都是从脑海中的某个构想开始的。然后,挣扎在于如何将你脑海中的构想实现在纸上或用颜料重现出来,当然,物质是难以驾驭的,它不会那么轻易地顺从你的想法,对吧?铅笔尖断了,纸撕破了,颜料洒了,各种事情发生,它并不能完全对应你的构想。但建筑师脑海中有了这座房子的构想,而这个构想,在某种意义上,就是那个小道,即众道, 有点像事物的蓝图。 在某种意义上,它是你的构想。它是你在上帝里面的存在基础。它也是你在上帝里面存在的原因。它与你有着因果关系,在某种意义上是那个原因的结果。同样地,蓝图在某种层面上是房子的原因。他们会称之为形式因。 所以复活的身体,房子的身体现在是分离的。房子倒塌了。房子随着时间变旧,到处开始下垂,屋顶塌陷,被推倒了。复活的房子现在将被重建,对吧?圣经将身体比作帐篷,它是居所,在某种意义上它就是房子。它将被重建、重塑、变容。甚至分子元素都将被完全转变。它仍然是你,它将是你的身体,组成你的物质,对吧? 你说什么? 不,是同一个蓝图。但现在它将是绝对完美的。 因为道是我们谈论道的方式,这就像是在问,这会是同一个道吗,对吧?你不会问这个问题。因为众道在某种意义上是道自身的繁衍。是一化为多,从而可以有许多。 但在道自身之内,没有区分。 我们会说,所有那些众道,都均匀地存在于他里面, 以一种单一、简单的方式。在上帝里面没有差异、组合或复杂性。但从受造物的角度来看,就像我昨晚提到的那些太阳的光线,给每个人带来光明和温暖等等。所以,

Yes, Herman. That’s a really good question. Earlier we heard a lot about individuality, right? Which is something highly prized in American culture. Don’t you dare try to take it away from me, right? Even though we all wear the same Gap t-shirts and we all pretend we’re all so different, but we’re all the same in such horrible kinds of ways, right? Where the same thoughts are impressed in our minds by the same two or three channels that are owned by the same corporations. All of our tastes are dictated by the fashion industry and what individuality? God help you if you’re different, right? So there’s a lot of deception going on here. You go to a lot of foreign countries, you see real characters in these places because their culture is not subject to the kind of culture machine. If you’re a kid in high school, you’ve got to wear these kinds of clothes, you’ve got to have these kinds of sneakers, you’ve got to have this kind of a haircut, you’ve got to listen to this kind of music. What individuality? The kid who might like classical music because he’s a real individual, he’s going to get beat up in the schoolyard or something. But you’re asking a really good question. Because if we say that there is a logos for humanity, that there’s sort of a single idea of humanity, and that if all human nature is one, we all share the same nature, there’s this tremendous interconnection, this tremendous unity between us, where do the differences come in? I don’t have a perfect answer for you, but I will say that many of the things that differentiate us have to do with our sinfulness. I’m fatter than you are because I like to eat, right? That makes me different than you, but it’s not a good thing, right? So if you think about a lot of the things that distinguish us, it has to do with our corruption, our sinfulness, our weaknesses, which sometimes we try to turn into virtues. Which is why, again, you look at the icons of the saints, and people say, oh, they all look the same, right? Of course, there’s a theological reason for that, because they are all inspired and illumined and directed and guided by one and the same Holy Spirit. There’s a unity there. So, where do the differences come in? I mean, St. Paul talks about different charisms and different graces. We all have different vocations. And I mean, there are differences, but the things that immediately and superficially present themselves to us as differences are either totally superficial or the result of some sin or some weakness or some passion, right? And a lot of people like, everybody wants to be special. Everybody wants to distinguish themselves. Everybody wants to stand out. And they end up being very affectatious or doing things that are not even natural in a way, right? And that’s prideful. That’s egotistical. That wouldn’t be a proper difference. That would be a sinful difference. So you must know the faith. Let’s hold your thought. From one of the discourses of Dorotheus of Gaza, it’s a very well-known sort of metaphor, and it’s as if God is the center point of a circle, and we’re all on the perimeter of the circle, or the diameter, whatever they call it, or the perimeter, circumference, thank you. And the closer everybody moves to God, they also move closer to each other. From one point of view, human difference would increase to the extent that we move away from God. We have all this politics of identity now, in which every little subgroup and subculture is screaming and yelling to be recognized for what? Because you dress like this, or you wear your hair like that? That would be like me taking the traditions and practices of my family and trying to impose them on the United States. I mean, it’s ridiculous, right? Those things separate us. Too much multi-whatever is gonna come at the cost of… Too much individual liberty comes at the cost of community life. You’re all part of this community because you make sacrifices to be here. You give up certain rights voluntarily, freely, to live here, to be here. But if on the other hand, I don’t want to give up my rights, I don’t want to give up my liberties, I want to be an individual, I want to do my thing, well, community breaks down at that point. So the closer we move to God, you cannot move closer to God without at the same time moving closer to everybody else. A person who thinks they’re praying to God and they love God and they have lousy relations with the people around them, there’s a problem there.

是的,赫尔曼。 这是一个非常好的问题。早些时候我们听到了很多关于个性的讨论,对吧?在美国文化中,个性是备受推崇的东西。你敢把它从我身边夺走试试,对吧?尽管我们都穿着同样的Gap T恤,我们都假装自己是如此与众不同,但我们在某些可怕的方面其实都一样,对吧?同样的两三个由同一家公司拥有的频道,把同样的思想灌输到我们的脑海中。我们所有的品味都由时尚产业所决定,哪里还有什么个性?如果你与众不同,上帝保佑你,对吧?所以这里有很多欺骗。你去很多外国,你会看到这些地方有真正有个性的人,因为他们的文化不受这种文化机器的支配。 如果你是一个高中生,你必须穿这种衣服,你必须有这种运动鞋,你必须留这种发型,你必须听这种音乐。哪里还有什么个性?那个可能因为是个真正的个体而喜欢古典音乐的孩子,他会在校园里挨揍什么的。 但你问了一个非常好的问题。因为如果我们说人类有一个“道”(logos),有一种关于人类的单一理念,如果所有人的本性是一体的,我们都共享同样的本性,我们之间存在着巨大的相互联系和巨大的统一性,那么差异从何而来呢?我没有完美的答案给你,但我要说,许多使我们产生差异的事情都与我们的罪性有关。 我比你胖是因为我喜欢吃,对吧?这让我和你不同,但这并不是一件好事,对吧?所以如果你想想那些区分我们的许多事情,都与我们的败坏、我们的罪性、我们的软弱有关,有时我们试图把这些变成美德。这就是为什么,再说一次,你看着圣徒的圣像,人们会说,哦,他们看起来都一样,对吧?当然,这有一个神学上的原因,因为他们都是由同一位圣灵所启发、光照、指引和带领的。那里有一种统一性。 那么,差异从何而来呢?我的意思是,圣保罗谈到了不同的恩赐和不同的恩典。我们都有不同的呼召。我的意思是,确实存在差异,但那些直接和表面地作为差异呈现给我们的东西,要么是完全表面的,要么是某种罪、某种软弱或某种情欲的结果,对吧?很多人喜欢这样,每个人都想与众不同。每个人都想标新立异。每个人都想脱颖而出。他们最终变得非常做作,或者做一些甚至有点不自然的事情,对吧?那是骄傲的。那是自我中心的。 那不会是恰当的差异。那会是罪性的差异。所以你必须认识信仰。让我们先保留你的想法。 在加沙的多罗修斯的一篇讲道中,有一个非常著名的比喻,就好像上帝是一个圆的中心点,而我们都在圆的周长上,或者直径,不管他们怎么叫,或者周长,谢谢。每个人越靠近上帝,他们也就越靠近彼此。 从某种观点来看,人类的差异会随着我们远离上帝的程度而增加。 我们现在有所有这些身份政治,在其中每一个小群体和亚文化都在大喊大叫要求被认可,为了什么?因为你这样穿衣服,或者你那样留头发? 那就像我拿我家庭的传统和做法,并试图把它们强加给美国一样。我的意思是,这很荒谬,对吧?那些东西把我们分开了。 太多的多元什么什么将以…为代价。太多的个人自由是以社区生活为代价的。你们都是这个社区的一部分,因为你们做出了牺牲来到这里。你们自愿、自由地放弃了某些权利,为了住在这里,为了在这里。 但另一方面,如果我不想放弃我的权利,我不想放弃我的自由,我想成为一个个体,我想做我自己的事,那么,社区在那个时刻就崩溃了。所以我们越靠近上帝,你不可能在靠近上帝的同时不靠近其他所有人。一个人如果认为自己在向上帝祈祷并且爱上帝,却与周围的人关系糟糕,那就有问题了。

So, Well, that’s a good question. It’s related to what Herman just said because again, so much of what we take for personality really has to do with our psychological and emotional life, and a lot of that is just our passions. Right? So we often mistake, we misidentify ourselves with our sinfulness. I have this habit, I have this tendency, I have this personality quirk, I have this character, that’s me. Is it? Is that how God intended you to be? Is that how you’re supposed to be? Maybe you’re confused. Maybe that’s not you at all. Maybe you don’t even know who you are, right? You’ve been led to think that this is what you are because this is what society said or your mother told you this or who knows what, right? It seemed like the right thing. What did I know? I was just a kid. So there’s a depth to us or a sort of spiritual height that we either fail to attain or fail to reach, and we end up in this kind of world of thoughts and negative images and moods. Daydreams and fantasies, and you go to the psychologist, that’s what they talk about, all that stuff. But is that really us? Again, go back to Paul in Galatians: it is no longer I who live but it is Christ who lives in me. And that’s terrifying because, oh, what’s going to happen to me? But that me is not you in the first place. I mean, God doesn’t come to destroy your identity. He comes to fulfill it. In other words, what’s the image of the grafting of the wild olive onto the cultivated olive? God doesn’t take oranges and try to graft them onto banana trees. I mean, the process is much more natural than that. So, again, a lot of what we take for personality is, again, sinfulness or pride. This is my personality. What is that? So, I had another thought though about Paul, not I who live but Christ who lives in me. I think that well, it has to do with what we said earlier about the activity of the Holy Spirit coming into the disciples, and there it is again. We saw that. They’re able to see God, so God actually is there to make us who we are, not to… Oh, I remember what it was. It’s from one of the catecheses of St. Simeon the New Theologian. And he’s saying something similar, and he was the abbot of a monastery, and he was speaking to his monks, and he was talking about the necessity to die, a spiritual death. Take up your cross, deny yourself. These are evangelical commandments, gospel commandments. To deny yourself… These are very difficult things. This is a form of death. I like these things. I’m attached to those things. I have these habits. I have to die to that stuff. Part of me has to die. And he hears people grumbling in the congregation. He says, what? You don’t want to die? You don’t want to die? He goes, that means you’re dead already. So often the life that we take to be our life is not a life. It’s a death. It’s a fallen life. It’s a life of passions, it’s a life of addictions, it’s a life of destructive behaviors. That’s not our life. That’s a deformation of our life. There’s not much you can do to fix that, as much as you can to sort of let it go and discover yourself, I mean, your real life in God.

所以, 嗯,这是个好问题。这跟赫尔曼刚才说的一样,因为我们认为是个性的东西,其实很大程度上与我们的心理和情感生活有关,而其中很多只是我们的情欲。 对吧? 所以我们经常弄错,我们把自己的罪性与自己混为一谈。我有这个习惯,我有这个倾向,我有这个性格怪癖,我有这个性格,那就是我。 是吗? 上帝是打算让你成为那样的吗?你本该是那样的吗? 也许你很困惑。也许那根本不是你。 也许你甚至不知道你是谁, 对吧?你被引导认为这就是你,因为这是社会说的,或者你母亲告诉你的,或者谁知道是什么,对吧?这似乎是正确的。我当时知道什么?我只是个孩子。 所以我们有一种深度,或者一种属灵的高度,我们未能达到或未能触及,结果我们就陷入了这种念头、消极意象和情绪的世界。白日梦和幻想,你去看心理医生,他们谈论的就是所有这些东西。但那真的是我们吗? 再次回到保罗在《加拉太书》中的话:现在活着的不再是我,乃是基督在我里面活着。 这很可怕,因为,哦,我会怎么样呢? 但那个“我”本来就不是你。 我的意思是,上帝不是来摧毁你的身份的。祂是来成全它的。换句话说, 把野橄榄接在好橄榄上的形象是什么意思?上帝不会拿橘子去嫁接在香蕉树上。我的意思是,这个过程比那要自然得多。 所以,再说一次,我们当作个性的很多东西,其实是罪性或骄傲。这是我的个性。那是什么? 所以, 不过关于保罗,我还有一个想法,不再是我活着,乃是基督在我里面活着。我认为 嗯,这跟我们之前说的圣灵进入门徒中的活动有关,这里又出现了。我们看到了。他们能够看见上帝,所以上帝其实是为了让我们成为我们本来的样子,而不是为了……哦,我想起来了。这是出自新神学家西蒙的一篇教理问答。他在说类似的话,他是一所修院的院长,他在对他的修士们讲话,他在谈论死亡的必要性,一种属灵的死亡。 背起你的十字架,否认你自己。这些是福音的诫命,福音的诫命。否认你自己……这些都是非常困难的事情。这是一种死亡的形式。 我喜欢这些东西。我依恋那些东西。我有这些习惯。 我必须向那些东西死。我的一部分必须死。他听到会众中有人在抱怨。他说,什么?你们不想死吗?你们不想死吗?他接着说,那意味着你们已经死了。 所以我们当作自己生命的那种生命,往往不是生命。那是死亡。 那是堕落的生命。那是情欲的生命,那是成瘾的生命,那是破坏性行为的生命。那不是我们的生命。 那是我们生命的扭曲。 你能做的去修补它的努力并不多,倒不如去放下它并发现你自己,我是说,你在上帝里的真实生命。

Another image, when I went to the Holy Mountain, I was intrigued by it. Of course, this is going to be so obvious to all of you who live here with these great mountains. But I noticed there were always clouds, or a cloud on top of the mountain peak. How odd is that? What’s sort of causing that? And of course then, somebody told me it was very simple, that the warm water comes across the Aegean, hits the base of the mountain, it’s got nowhere to go, it goes up, and it forms these clouds on top of the mountain. So the mountain is kind of a weather maker. And the lesson from that is that the clouds in a sense are the thoughts in your mind. The negative thoughts, the dark thoughts. The accusatory voices, the insecurities, the fears, the paranoid thoughts, people are talking about me or whatever, all that stuff, those are the clouds. That’s the bad weather. And the problem we make is that we identify, we think the clouds are us, and we don’t realize that we’re the mountain. And over time what happens is those thoughts come, they come again, and we fixate on them. And we do that so often and so long that it all sort of hardens up there. I develop a way of thinking now. I get angry because I’m an angry person, because I have thoughts of anger and I act on them, right? What was initially a thought passing through my mind ends up becoming my personality in a way. He’s an angry guy, just stay away, right? But that was never me. That was never me. It’s what I either mistakenly became. It’s what I fought, it’s what I chose in my ignorance. I thought that I had to defend myself. Somebody insulted me, I had to strike back, whatever. That became a pattern, and now I’m a really angry guy, right? That’s not what I was meant to be. That’s what no human is meant. The church fathers say you have been given the capacity, the ability to be angry, never to be used against other human beings, but against the demons. You should be angry against sin and angry against the evil things that happen, but anger is never to be used against any other human being. And we know the destructive results of that sort of thing, right? So when you ask questions about personality and character, they’re very complicated because we’ve been taught to think otherwise about all of this. And psychology and all these things that are very confusing. I think that the higher life of the mind, the noose, the intellect, or the deeper life of the heart, this is lost to sociologists and psychologists and other kinds of theorists and your self-help gurus and your Oprah Winfrey types, and they’re all on the level of the emotions as far as I’m concerned. Just one big roiling lake of feelings. And that we dig, oh so how did that make you feel? When I came back to the seminary people, oh what does it feel like to be back here? But I’m like, I just haven’t thought about that, actually. I was called back here to do some work, and here I am. What do you mean, what does it feel like, right? I can tell you what I think about it, but am I supposed to have some sort of… In other words, I’m not saying, the other side of this is not to be insensitive. I’m not advocating a total sort of void of feeling. But neither are we to be swept away by feelings or swept away by emotions or blinded by this passion, blinded by love, blinded by whatever it is. That’s not a human life. That’s a God-given mind that is being led around by the stomach, let’s say. That’s a total inversion of the order.

另一个意象,当我去圣山时,我被它吸引了。当然,对于你们所有住在这里、面对这些大山的人来说,这太显而易见了。但我注意到山顶上总是有云,或者一朵云。这多奇怪啊?是什么导致了这种现象?当然,后来有人告诉我这很简单,温暖的水汽穿过爱琴海,撞到山底,无处可去,就往上升,在山顶形成了这些云。所以这座山有点像天气制造者。 从中得到的教训是,云在某种意义上就是你心中的念头。消极的念头,黑暗的念头。 指责的声音、不安全感、恐惧、偏执的念头、人们在谈论我之类的,所有这些东西,那些就是云。那是坏天气。而我们犯的错误是我们认同了,我们认为云就是我们,我们没有意识到我们才是那座山。 随着时间的推移,发生的事情是那些念头来了,又来了,我们执着于它们。我们如此频繁、如此长久地这样做,以至于这一切都在那里变得有些固化了。 我现在养成了一种思维方式。我生气是因为我是一个愤怒的人,因为我有愤怒的念头并且付诸行动,对吧? 最初只是掠过我脑海的一个念头,最终在某种程度上变成了我的性格。他是个易怒的家伙,离他远点,对吧?但那从来都不是我。 那从来都不是我。 那是我错误地变成的样子。那是我抗争的,是我在无知中选择的。我以为我必须保护自己。有人侮辱我,我必须反击,等等。那变成了一种模式,现在我成了一个真正易怒的家伙, 对吧?那不是我本该成为的样子。那也不是任何人类本该成为的样子。教父们说,你被赋予了发怒的能力, 永远不要用来对付其他人类,而是用来对付恶魔。你应该对罪发怒,对发生的邪恶之事发怒,但愤怒永远不应该用来对付任何其他人类。 我们知道那种事情的破坏性后果,对吧?所以当你问关于性格和品格的问题时,它们非常复杂,因为我们被教导对所有这些事情有不同的看法。 还有心理学和所有这些非常令人困惑的东西。我认为心灵的更高生活,即心灵、理智,或者心的更深层生活,这对 社会学家、心理学家和其他各种理论家,以及你的自助大师和奥普拉·温弗瑞之类的人来说,已经丧失了。就我而言,他们都停留在情绪的层面上。 只是一个巨大的翻腾着情感的湖泊。 然后我们深究,哦,那让你感觉如何?当我回到神学院时,人们问,哦,回到这里感觉怎么样?但我心想,我其实根本没想过这个。我被叫回来做一些工作,我就来了。你是什么意思,感觉怎么样,对吧? 我可以告诉你我对这件事的想法,但我难道应该有某种…… 换句话说,我不是说, 另一方面也不是要变得麻木不仁。我不是在提倡一种完全没有感觉的虚空。但我们也不应该被感觉冲走,或者被情绪冲走,或者被这种情欲蒙蔽,被爱蒙蔽,被任何东西蒙蔽。 那不是人类的生活。 可以说,那是一个被胃牵着走的上帝所赐的心灵。那是秩序的彻底颠倒。

Well, it’s a part of who we are. Why wouldn’t it be? Why wouldn’t it be? They’re part of our character, they’re part of our… a spiritual strength, that’s a gift from God to us. It’s probably built on either our success or even our failure that God has given us. Okay, that’s part of us now. It’s something God gives us as a gift. We didn’t invent it or create it, but… The other thing, since you mentioned that, this is another important topic, spiritual, we were talking about this last night with some folks sort of privately, I work with students and they get frustrated because they want to make progress. They get excited about New Testament Greek and, oh, I want to learn that. And they don’t realize that it takes years to learn that. So they sit down, they get a couple of books and they expect to see results right away. And after a few weeks or a month, they realize that they’re not making progress, they get disappointed, they give up. Or they go into the church and they hear the beautiful chanting, Oh, I want to, it’s partly prideful, I want to get up there and be a singer too. But it takes several years to learn the characters and the notes and the tones, and most of them give up. They have these dreams, but they don’t realize what it takes. And the spiritual life is like that too. It’s long, hard work. It takes a very long time, and the nature of real growth, even organic growth, biological growth, is such that it’s generally imperceptible. And the elder used to talk about this, he would say that one day you look in the mirror and you say, oh my gosh, when did my hair turn gray? Right? Or you look in the mirror and you say, oh my goodness, when did I get so fat? Right? You didn’t see it happening. So it’s even in human, natural, biological growth. It’s largely imperceptible to us. You don’t see yourself age. Where did these wrinkles come from? First they weren’t there, and now they’re all over the place, right? How did that happen? And I think real, genuine spiritual growth is imperceptible to us, both because that’s the nature of real growth, and also, and more importantly, I think God hides it from us. Because if I, assuming I had any virtues, if I could see them, that’s going to make me prideful, wouldn’t it? And then God’s gift to me would end up becoming a cause for sin. So I think God hides that stuff from us. I look at some of my students and some people, I just see the most beautiful ones. They think they’re all miserable and suffering. You kids are great, I say. It’s beautiful people and they don’t see that. They’re stuck on, again, they’re in the cloud somewhere, right? They’re stuck on some negative voice in their head telling them they’re not handsome enough or they’re not smart enough or they’re not likable or worthy of love. I don’t know what internalized all of this. I don’t see that. You’re very lovable, you’re very whatever smart, you’re very right. So there is that part of… so you just kind of do the work without expecting a reward in a way. You shouldn’t be looking for results in a way, right? As long as you know you’re in your community, you’re on the right track, that’s all you need to know, right? Let other people, let God judge, let others… so we We shouldn’t be looking to measure or to gauge. When you were a kid, you put the marks on the wall. You can’t do that with the life of virtue. And the other thing we said last night was that the more virtuous a person becomes, the more he or she recognizes what? His sinfulness. If I’m living in relative darkness, I can’t see the imperfections on my face. I can’t see the blemishes on my face. I can’t see what I really look like. I can have this idea that, hey, I look pretty good actually, don’t I? Look at me. But I step into the light now, and the closer I get to the light, the more now the imperfections become apparent. Well, I can think I’m a pretty holy guy, right? But now that I start to move close to the source of holiness, I realize, wait a minute now, right? What’s that great moment in the gospel where Jesus first encounters Peter with the catcher? He goes, go out and cast your nets again. Peter’s like, look, you’re a carpenter, we’re fishing, what are you telling us? But they go and they do it, right? So they go out, they throw the net over there, and it’s filled with fish. Peter realizes that he’s in the presence of not just anybody. And what is his response? What is his reaction? What does he say? It’s extraordinary. Depart from me, O Lord, for I am a sinful man. So that revelation of Christ’s divinity, of his grace, didn’t make Peter jump up and say, Hey, wow, everything’s so great. God is wonderful. No, oh my goodness now. So any true, real revelation of God is going to… Any true revelation of God’s holiness is going to include a revelation of the unholiness of the recipient of the revelation. You see with all the prophets. Woe is me, I’m a man of unclean lips, etc, etc. So real spiritual progress. I don’t mean it to sound dismal or depressing. Who would want to do that then, right? Who would want to get on the path that would only expose more blemishes and reveal more weaknesses. It doesn’t sound very tempting, does it? But with that… recognition of our inability, with the recognition of our weakness, also comes God’s grace. And we live no longer for ourselves. And we live the life of Christ that has been given to us. And that’s so much more wonderful and so much more beautiful and so much more, there’s no words for it, right? Than anything I could have done or I could have had. Even if my life was a good one, this is still so much, so infinitely superior to that. So it’s real humility, it’s real humility. And that’s the humble to whom God goes, right? He who humbles himself will be exalted, but the one who puts himself up, down he goes.

嗯,这是我们是谁的一部分。为什么不是呢?为什么不是呢? 它们是我们品格的一部分,是我们……一种属灵力量的一部分,那是上帝赐给我们的礼物。它可能是建立在我们成功甚至失败的基础之上,那是上帝赐予我们的。好吧,现在那是我们的一部分了。那是上帝作为礼物赐给我们的东西。我们没有发明或创造它,但是……另一件事,既然你提到了,这是另一个重要的话题,属灵的,昨晚我们和一些朋友私下谈论过这个, 我和学生们一起工作,他们感到沮丧,因为他们想要取得进步。他们对新约希腊语感到兴奋,哦,我想学那个。他们没有意识到学好那个需要几年的时间。所以他们坐下来,买了几本书,期望立刻看到结果。几周或一个月后,他们意识到自己没有取得进步,就感到失望,放弃了。或者他们走进教会,听到优美的咏唱,哦,我想,这有一部分是出于骄傲,我也想站上去成为一名歌手。 但是学习那些字符、音符和音调需要好几年的时间,他们中大多数人放弃了。 他们有这些梦想,但他们没有意识到这需要付出什么。 属灵生活也是如此。这是漫长而艰苦的工作。这需要很长的时间,而真正成长的本质,甚至有机的成长,生物学的成长,其特点通常是难以察觉的。 长老过去常谈论这个,他会说有一天你照镜子时会说,我的天哪, 我的头发什么时候变白的?对吧?或者你照镜子时说,我的天哪,我什么时候变得这么胖了?对吧?你没有看到它发生。所以即使在人类的, 自然的、生物学的成长中也是如此。它对我们来说很大程度上是难以察觉的。你看不到自己变老。这些皱纹是从哪里来的? 起初它们不在那里,现在却到处都是,对吧?这是怎么发生的?我认为真正的、真实的属灵成长对我们来说也是难以察觉的,一方面因为那是真正成长的本质,另一方面,更重要的是,我认为上帝向我们隐藏了它。因为如果我,假设我有什么美德,如果我能看到它们,那会让我变得骄傲, 不是吗? 然后上帝赐给我的礼物最终会成为犯罪的原因。 所以我认为上帝向我们隐藏了那些东西。 我看着我的学生和一些其他人,我只看到了最美丽的人。他们觉得自己很悲惨、在受苦。我说,你们这些孩子很棒。他们是美丽的人,但他们看不到这一点。他们纠结于,再说一次,他们迷失在某种云雾中,对吧?他们纠结于脑海中某个消极的声音,告诉他们自己不够英俊,或者不够聪明,或者不讨人喜欢,或者不值得被爱。我不知道是什么内化了所有这些。我没有看到这些。你非常可爱,你非常聪明,你非常正确。所以有那样一部分……所以你只管去做工,在某种程度上不期望回报。在某种程度上你不应该寻找结果,对吧?只要你知道你在你的团契中,你在正确的轨道上,这就是你需要知道的一切,对吧?让别人去,让上帝去审判,让别人……所以我们 我们不应该寻求衡量或评估。当你还是个孩子的时候,你在墙上做记号。你不能对美德的生活这样做。我们昨晚说的另一件事是,一个人越有美德,他或她就越能认识到什么?他的罪性。 如果我生活在相对的黑暗中,我就看不到我脸上的瑕疵。我看不到我脸上的斑点。我看不到我真实的样子。我可能会有这样的想法,嘿,我看起来其实挺不错的,不是吗?看看我。但现在我走进光中, 我越靠近光,瑕疵就越发明显。 嗯,我可以认为我是一个相当圣洁的人,对吧?但现在我开始靠近圣洁的源头,我意识到,等一下,对吧?福音书中那个伟大的时刻,耶稣第一次和彼得遇到捕鱼的事?他说,出去再把网撒下去。彼得就像,听着,你是个木匠,我们在捕鱼,你在告诉我们什么?但他们去做了,对吧?所以他们出去,把网扔到那里,里面装满了鱼。 彼得意识到他面前的人不是普通人。他的反应是什么?他的回应是什么?他说了什么? 这很不寻常。离开我, 主啊,因为我是个罪人。 所以那个对基督神性、对他的恩典的启示,并没有让彼得跳起来说,嘿,哇,一切都太棒了。上帝太奇妙了。不,我的天哪。 所以任何对上帝真实、真正的启示都会……任何对上帝圣洁的真实启示,都会包含对启示接受者不圣洁的揭示。你在所有先知身上都能看到这一点。 祸哉,我是个嘴唇不洁的人,等等,等等。 所以这是真正的属灵进步。我不是说这听起来令人沮丧或压抑。那谁会想这么做呢,对吧? 谁会想走上只会暴露更多瑕疵和揭示更多弱点的道路呢。这听起来不是很诱人,是吗? 但伴随着那种……对我们无能为力的认识,对我们软弱的认识, 上帝的恩典也随之而来。 我们不再为自己而活。我们活出赐给我们的基督的生命。那是如此奇妙,如此美丽,如此, 无法用言语形容,对吧?胜过我能做的或我能拥有的任何东西。即使我的生活是美好的,这仍然比那要好得多,无限地优越。 所以这是真正的谦卑,这是真正的谦卑。上帝就是走向谦卑的人,对吧?凡谦卑自己的必被高举,但抬高自己的,必降卑。

Sorry, that was a bit of an extended kind of commentary on a question, but I think these are, I mean, I work with a lot of younger people, 20s and that sort of thing, and… Everyone just seems so confused about their inner life, about their thoughts, about their emotions, and we have this incredible technological culture, and we don’t have a language really to talk about our emotional life, our inner life, our personal life, and everyone’s afraid to reveal things, and you tell somebody that you hear voices in your head and they’re going to call the psychiatrist, right? So people don’t want to talk about dark thoughts or negative thoughts. I taught a class once about this sort of thing. This was in Cambridge. And one of the students said something, she goes, I was so happy. It was a text, it was a patristic text about thoughts and the whole problem of thoughts. She said, I was so relieved to read this because it was the first time that I had read anything that talked about this in a kind of a way that put me at ease. She goes, I walk to school every day and every day I cross a road that has a bridge on it. And for the last few weeks, every time I’ve crossed that bridge, this voice comes into my mind and it says, jump off. I thought, am I going crazy? I’ve never had any suicidal feeling. What was that? And this text told me all about that, what that was. I have another story about that, actually, even a little better. So that’s not the kind of thing you share with people. And I’m not saying we should. That’s the kind of thought you reveal to your spiritual father. You can talk about that over coffee with your friends. But if you don’t have an outlet, if all of those things build up inside of you, then you could have a problem. I remember the first time I went to the Holy Mountain, it was in, I think, 1980. I was still a student, and I knew someone that had, it was a young man who was becoming a monk, not in a big monastery, but in a little, like a cell, they call it, or a kathism, a little house, where there was a very holy old elder who had been on the Holy Mountain, I think since he was like 14 years old. He was now sort of 80, 85. So it was the old man, the disciple, the new disciple, and me. I was sort of the fly on the wall observing things and it was really just interesting for me to be in this situation. So we had to go to a neighboring monastery for something, I forget what, and we were on this trail. It was this incredible trail. It’s just sort of a ribbon of a path that was sort of skirting the outside edge of this cliff. And the path is probably just a foot and a half wide or something. And on one side was just the cliff face going up and then down a thousand feet into the Aegean. So it was pretty dangerous if you weren’t careful. And the old man, right, here I am now tiptoeing, holding the wall and the other guy. The old man’s like a mountain goat, just hopping over rocks and hoisting himself up. Because he grew up living in these mountains. So he went, and on the way back, the old man is first, the disciple is behind him, and I’m in the back. And at one point, nobody’s talking, we’re just walking. And at one point, the disciple says to the elder, he says, elder, he says, I just had a thought. that I would like to share with you and I thought I had read about this sort of thing oh yeah I’ve heard about the monks and they practice what they call the revelation of thoughts the sort of externalization of thoughts if you live in a small monastic house or community you simply the thoughts that go through your mind the dark thoughts the negative thoughts the silly thoughts the banal thoughts you just disclose them So I thought, oh wow, this is going to be great because I’ve read about this and here I am now seeing it for real. What’s he going to say? So he says, my child, he says, tell me, tell me what you’ve got to say. He says, the thought just came into my mind to throw you down the cliff. And you know what my reaction was? I didn’t say anything, but inside myself I was like, oh my God, don’t say that. Right? You see the impulse? Cover up. Don’t reveal. Right? Be dishonest. Right? Suppress. Those two ended up living together for many, many years. If every time he had that thought, he had to, right? That builds up. You can go nuts. So it was a, oh, the old man just kind of, the old man just laughed. He just chuckled. So he goes, that’s the devil, he said, telling you that because he knows he, because he wants to destroy you. And he’ll start to do that by making you destroy me. And if you kill me, he goes, you’re going to have a lot of serious problems after that. That was the end of it. Now, of course, you can’t do this in your place of work. Why is that so funny? I mean, you can live like that. That’s why there are monasteries. That’s why there are sort of spiritual relationships like that. There is a real freedom there. There’s no condemnation. There’s no judgment because they’re just thoughts, right? So this is not how we are. These things you share with your spiritual father or your confessor or you go to a monastery, you don’t share this with really anybody. You don’t reveal the secrets of your soul like that because it’ll create more problems than… then it’ll solve. Because what do you do? If I tell you the thoughts that I’ve had about you, I now plant thoughts in your mind. It doesn’t bring anything to it, and it just breathes. It just expands the problem. But this is why we have confession, and even short of sacramental confession, you can go to the priest and say, I’ve been troubled by these thoughts. That’s all. It’s not necessarily a sin. It doesn’t need absolution. You just get it off your chest. In the monastery, we have a rule. Everybody can’t go to the abbot ten times a day just to confess their thoughts, so we don’t really have that practice in the monastery. But the rule is this. They say, listen, if something is troubling you for two days, and if on the third day that thought is still there, he goes, go tell somebody. Find one of the priests or, right? But if it’s just for an hour or a day or two days, struggle with it. Try to put it out of your mind, right? It’s like a fire. Don’t throw yourself into it. Try to… Focus the spotlight of your attention somewhere else, not on the negative thought. But if it’s eating at you for three days, well then there’s a problem. Then you’ve got to go and expose it, open it up to the light.

抱歉,刚才对一个问题做了一点延伸评论,但我认为这些是,我的意思是,我和很多年轻人一起工作,二十多岁的那类人,而且…… 每个人似乎都对自己的内在生活、自己的念头、自己的情绪感到非常困惑,而我们拥有这种令人难以置信的技术文化,却没有一种真正的语言来谈论我们的情感生活、内在生活和个人生活,每个人都害怕表露事情,如果你告诉别人你脑子里有声音,他们就会去叫精神科医生,对吧?所以人们不想谈论阴暗的念头或消极念头。我曾经教过一门关于这类事情的课。那是在剑桥。其中一个学生说了一些话,她说,我太高兴了。那是一篇文献,是一篇关于念头以及念头整个问题的教父文献。她说,读到这些我感到如释重负,因为这是我第一次读到以某种让我安心的方式谈论这个问题的内容。她接着说, 我每天步行上学,每天都要穿过一条有桥的路。在过去的几个星期里,每次我过那座桥,这个声音就会进入我的脑海,它说,跳下去。 我当时想,我是疯了吗?我从来没有过任何自杀的念头。那是什么? 而这篇文献告诉了我关于那件事的一切,那到底是什么。关于这个我还有一个故事,实际上,甚至更好一点。这不是那种你会和别人分享的事情。我也不是说我们应该这样做。这是那种你会向你的属灵父亲表露的念头。你可以和朋友喝咖啡时谈论这个。但如果你没有一个宣泄的出口,如果所有这些都积压在你内心,那么你可能就会出问题。我记得我第一次去阿索斯山,我想是在1980年。我还是个学生,我认识一个人,是一个即将成为修士的年轻人,不是在一个大修院里,而是在一个像单人小室一样的地方,他们这么叫它,或者叫卡西姆(kathism),一间小房子,那里有一位非常圣洁的老长老,我想他从14岁起就一直在阿索斯山。他现在大概80、85岁了。所以就是这位老人,这位弟子, 这位新弟子,还有我。我算是墙上的苍蝇(旁观者)在观察事情,对我来说能处于这种情境真的很有趣。所以我们必须去邻近的修院办点事,我忘了是什么事,我们走在这条小路上。这是一条令人难以置信的小路。它就像一条丝带般的路径,沿着悬崖的外缘蜿蜒。这条路大概只有一英尺半宽左右。一边是向上的悬崖峭壁,另一边则是向下直落一千英尺进入爱琴海。所以如果你不小心的话,那是相当危险的。而这位老人呢,对吧,我现在踮着脚尖,扶着墙,还有另一个人也是。这位老人就像一只山羊,在岩石上跳跃,把自己撑上去。因为他从小就在这些山里生活。所以他走在前面,在回来的路上,老人在最前面, 弟子跟在他后面,我在最后面。 有那么一刻,没人说话,我们只是在走路。在某个时刻,弟子对长老说,他说,长老,他说,我刚有了一个念头。 我想和你分享,我想我读到过这类事情,哦对,我听说过修士们,他们练习所谓的“表露念头”,也就是念头的外化。如果你住在一个小修道房或社区里,你只需把脑海中闪过的念头——阴暗的念头、消极念头、愚蠢的念头、平庸的念头——直接坦白出来。 所以我想,哦哇,这一定会很棒,因为我读到过这个,而现在我亲眼看到了。他会说什么呢?所以他说,我的孩子,他说,告诉我,告诉我你要说什么。他说,刚才我脑海里冒出一个念头,想把你推下悬崖。你们知道我的反应是什么吗?我什么也没说,但我内心在想,哦,我的天哪,别这么说。对吧?你们看到这种冲动了吗?掩盖起来。 不要表露。对吧?不诚实。对吧?压抑。 那两个人后来在一起生活了很多很多年。如果他每次有那种念头,都必须,对吧?那就会积压起来。 你会发疯的。 所以这是一个,哦,老人只是有点,老人只是笑了笑。他轻声笑了笑。所以他说,那是魔鬼,他说,告诉你这个是因为他知道,因为他想毁灭你。他会通过让你毁灭我来开始这么做。如果你杀了我,他说,你之后会有很多严重的问题。事情就这样结束了。 当然,现在你不能在你的工作场所这样做。 为什么这那么好笑? 我的意思是,你可以那样生活。这就是为什么会有修院。这就是为什么会有那种属灵的关系。那里有一种真正的自由。没有定罪。没有评判,因为它们只是念头,对吧?所以我们并不是这样的。这些事情你要与你的属灵父亲或你的听告解神父分享,或者你去修院,你不会真的和任何人分享这些。你不会那样表露你灵魂的秘密,因为它会造成更多的问题,而不是…… 解决问题。因为你会怎么做?如果我告诉你我对你的念头,我就把念头种在了你的脑海里。这不会带来任何好处,它只会滋生。 它只会扩大问题。但这就是为什么我们有告解,即使不到圣事的告解的程度,你也可以去找神父说,我一直被这些念头困扰。仅此而已。它不一定是罪。它不需要赦免。你只是把它说出来心里好受些。在修院里,我们有一条规则。大家不可能每天去找院长十次只为告解他们的念头,所以我们在修院里并没有那种做法。但规则是这样的。他们说,听着,如果有什么事困扰了你两天, 如果到了第三天那个念头还在,他说,去告诉别人。去找其中一位神父,或者,对吧?但如果只是一个小时、一天或两天,就与它抗争。试着把它从你的脑海中赶出去,对吧?这就像火一样。不要把自己扔进去。试着…… 把你注意力的聚光灯集中在其他地方,而不是那个消极念头上。但如果它折磨了你三天,那么就有问题了。那你就必须去把它暴露出来,让它见光。

It’s 3:30. We can end now. I’m happy to take more questions. I don’t want to tire you, but it’s entirely up to you. Yes. Okay. Well, maybe we need to define. Maybe when I say the word personality, I have certain things in mind, and maybe you have something very different in mind. So, when you hear or say the word personality, what does that mean? What does that express? What reality is that expressing? Okay, nothing more? I mean, right away we’re into quirks, you see? You still recognize your friend and me, that that person is different than another person, but you look through their faults and you just see who that person is. And I think that that’s what we want you to say, that God thinks of us, that He created us unique and has that vision for us. And that’s a little different than everybody else. We’re not just all the same, parts of the same. I think that’s a very good way of putting it. And again, I think the icons here are helpful because you look at the faces of the saints and they’re dispassionate. They’re not twisted by, they’re not jeering or howling or the mouths aren’t open. There’s a real repose there. There’s no agitation. There’s a kind of a deep inner spiritual tranquility. The whole body is sort of brought under the control of the spirit. There’s a real gentleness there, which is also a tremendous spiritual power. Okay, that’s the way the saints look in their icons. But if you look at icons of, let’s say, martyrs being tortured, their torturers look the same way. The church doesn’t depict the bad guys with hideous faces and right, they look more or less like the saints. Why? Because the church does this because it’s trying to teach us how to look at people. Like you said, I like that phrase to look past the passions. If we wanted to depict those torturers as in their passions, they would be like animals. They’d be fierce and growling and angry and bloodthirsty and so on. Those are the passions. Those are erased because these are God’s creatures. These are God’s creations. They are images of God. And the church looks and saints are people who can be with the most sinful of individuals and not even see any of that. That’s not easy to do, though. God looks at us and he sees past the passions, there’s no question of that. But when I look at myself, can I see myself, can I see you through that cloud? We’re our own worst enemies, right? If we would just get out of the way sometimes of ourselves, right? Absolutely. If you really love a friend or you love your spouse, you look past their feelings and you see that. But that person, I don’t look at everybody the same way because I know Annie and I know Tana, and I see them as individuals even though, and I take away, if I really truly love them, I pass all that. But I think what they were worried about is that. You’re saying that we’re all the same, we’re all the same, it’s just… Well, we’re all human beings, okay, and… But we still have a youthful… Absolutely, we share a common nature, we don’t share a common soul. Okay. And again, despite all of the differences that we emphasize, I mean, is French pain different from Peruvian pain? Right. I mean, so much of human experience is really deeply shared. We have a tremendous amount in common. Is each and every human being unique? Well, just the fingerprints tell us that, right? So absolutely, yes. But where exactly that uniqueness lies? I think that’s part of the mystery of what it means to be human. There’s an aspect to every human life that’s somehow inaccessible to us. You can live with someone for your whole life, and there’s still a mystery to you, right? Because as the image of God, there’s a mysterious depth to them too. And I think we very easily misidentify and mistake, attach ourselves to the wrong kinds of things, never knowing who we really are. I heard the name C.S. Lewis mentioned several times over the last couple of days. I’ve read a few things, I like them, but the most impressive for me, what’s this book called? Till We Have Faces. You know that one? That’s just such a great book. And it’s got a great title too. And it’s all about a quest for truth in a sense, and a quest to know the divine. And it’s set kind of in a kind of a mythical past. And the main character asks these questions and she says, well, if there are gods, why don’t they reveal themselves to us? If there are gods, why don’t they answer us when we put questions to them? And when they do reveal themselves to us, why is it so ambiguous? Why isn’t it clearer? This becomes a source of anger for her and it’s a difficulty. There’s almost a rejection of the notion of God. And at the very end of the novel, after much suffering and growth, she figures out the answer to her own question. She says, how could God answer me when I didn’t even know what to ask him? When the question that I was putting to him was false. When I hadn’t figured out who I am, how can I present myself to God and ask, when I don’t even know who I am? And how could God show his face to me? When I don’t even have my face yet. That’s why, till we have faces, right? So yes, there is something unique about us, but it’s hard to know what that is, right? I had a colleague a couple of years ago who I knew very well. It was family. I’d go over for dinner at the house, and I knew his kids, and we worked together. He was a really great guy. He died horribly of cancer. And the moment I heard that he died… I saw him about two days before he died, he was in the hospice. I went back a couple of days later, the room was empty, it was just so traumatic. But the moment that I found out that he died, it’s like that’s when I knew who he was. It’s almost like you’re watching a movie and it’s one frame after another and until you get to the end of this story you really don’t know what it’s ultimately all about. So as long as a life is still in progress, which way is it gonna go? I mean what form will it ultimately take? Good, bad, indifferent, up, down? I mean it’s unclear. But when it’s all over, when a period is put there, then you can see the life in its totality. And I realized what a remarkable… I mean some things about him just became so clear to me. I said how did I not know? How did I not see that? And I realized that I never knew him in that way, that there were important aspects of his personality that had just evaded me. So I don’t mean to minimize, certainly not to say there is no personality, but to stress that we often identify the wrong things as our personality, and it’s just very difficult. I mean, we can’t know ourselves apart from God anyway. So it’s only in coming to know God that we come to know who we are, and that’s a mystery and we’re a mystery. So there is a knowledge there, but it’s more a knowledge of experience in that relationship of…

现在是3:30。我们可以结束了。我很乐意接受更多问题。我不想让你们太累,但这完全取决于你们。 是的。 好的。 嗯,也许我们需要定义一下。也许当我说“人格”这个词时,我想到的是某些东西,而你们想到的可能完全不同。所以,当你们听到或说出“人格”这个词时,它意味着什么?它表达了什么?它表达的是怎样的现实? 好的, 没有别的了吗?我是说, 我们马上就陷入了怪癖,你明白吗? 你仍然认得你的朋友和我,认得那个人与另一个人不同,但你透过他们的缺点,只看到那个人是谁。我认为这就是我们想让你说的,上帝这样看待我们,祂独特地创造了我们,并为我们存有这样的异象。这与其他人有些不同。我们并不全都是一样的,不是同一个整体的不同部分。 我认为这是一个非常好的表达方式。再说一次,我认为这里的圣像很有帮助,因为当你看着圣人们的脸庞时,他们是无欲的。他们没有被扭曲,没有嘲笑或嚎叫,嘴巴也没有张开。那里有一种真正的安息。没有躁动。有一种深沉的内在属灵宁静。整个身体似乎都受灵的控制。那里有一种真正的温柔,这也是一种巨大的属灵力量。好的,这就是圣人们在他们的圣像中的样子。但如果你看看,比如说,殉道者受刑的圣像, 他们的施刑者看起来也是一样的。 教会并没有把坏人描绘成面目可憎的样子,没错,他们看起来或多或少像圣人一样。 为什么?因为教会这样做是因为它试图教导我们如何看待人。就像你说的,我喜欢“看透情欲”这个说法。如果我们想把那些施刑者描绘成处于情欲中的样子,他们就会像野兽一样。他们会凶猛、咆哮、愤怒、嗜血等等。那些就是情欲。那些被抹去了,因为他们是上帝的受造物。他们是上帝的创造。他们是上帝的形象。教会看人,而圣人是能够与最罪大恶极的人在一起,却甚至看不到那些情欲的人。 不过,这并不容易做到。上帝看着我们,祂看透了情欲,这是毫无疑问的。 但当我看着自己时,我能看透那层云雾看到自己,看到你吗? 我们是我们自己最大的敌人,对吧?如果我们有时能不挡自己的道, 对吧? 完全正确。如果你真的爱一个朋友或爱你的配偶,你会看透他们的情绪并看到那一点。但那个人,我不会用同样的方式看待每个人,因为我认识安妮,也认识塔娜,我把她们看作独立的个体,即使, 而且我抛开,如果我真心爱她们,我会越过所有那些。但我认为他们担心的是, 你说我们都是一样的,我们都是一样的,只是……嗯,我们都是人类,好吧,而且……但我们仍然有一个年轻的……绝对地,我们共享共同的本性,我们不共享共同的灵魂。 好的。再说一次,尽管我们强调了所有的差异,我是说, 法国人的痛苦和秘鲁人的痛苦不同吗?是的。我是说,人类的许多经验真的是深深共享的。我们有大量的共同点。每一个人类都是独一无二的吗?嗯,仅凭指纹就能告诉我们这一点,对吧?所以绝对是的。但这种独特性究竟存在于哪里?我认为这是作为人类意味着什么的奥迹的一部分。 每个人的生命中都有某种我们无法触及的方面。你可以和某人共度一生,而他们对你来说仍然是一个奥迹,对吧? 因为作为上帝的形象,他们也有一种神秘的深度。 我认为我们很容易认错和弄错,将自己依附于错误的事物上,却永远不知道我们真正是谁。 过去几天我听到好几次提到C.S.刘易斯的名字。我读过一些他的作品,我很喜欢,但给我印象最深的是,这本书叫什么来着?《直到我们有脸》。你知道那本吗? 那真是一本好书。它的书名也很棒。在某种意义上,它全都是关于对真理的追求,以及对认识神圣的追求。它的背景设定在一种神话般的过去。而主角 问了这些问题,她说,嗯,如果真有神,为什么他们不向我们显现呢? 如果真有神,为什么当我们向他们提问时,他们不回答我们呢? 而当他们确实向我们显现时,为什么如此模棱两可?为什么不更清晰一些? 这成了她愤怒的根源,也是一个难题。几乎是对上帝观念的拒绝。在小说的最后,经历了许多苦难和成长之后, 她找到了自己问题的答案。她说, 当我甚至不知道该问上帝什么时,祂怎么能回答我?当我向祂提出的问题是虚假的。当我还没有弄清楚我是谁时,我怎么能将自己呈现在上帝面前并提问,当我甚至不知道我是谁? 上帝怎么能向我显示祂的面容呢? 当我甚至还没有我自己的脸时。 这就是为什么,直到我们有脸,对吧? 所以是的,我们身上有某种独特的东西,但很难知道那是什么,对吧? 几年前我有一个非常了解的同事。就像家人一样。我会去他家吃晚饭,我认识他的孩子,我们一起工作。他是个非常好的人。他死于可怕的癌症。 当我听说他去世的那一刻……我在他去世前两天见过他,他在临终关怀医院。几天后我回去,房间空了,真是太令人创伤了。但当我得知他去世的那一刻,就像那时我才真正认识他是谁。这就像你在看一部电影,一帧接一帧,直到你看到这个故事的结尾,你才真正知道它最终是关于什么的。所以只要生命还在进行中,它会走向何方?我是说它最终会采取什么形式?好、坏、平庸、上、下?我是说这还不清楚。但当一切都结束时, 当在那里画上一个句号时,你就能看到生命的全貌。我意识到那是多么了不起……我是说关于他的一些事情对我来说变得如此清晰。我说我怎么不知道?我怎么没看到? 我意识到我从未以那种方式认识他,他的人格中有些重要的方面一直避开了我。 所以我不是要贬低,当然不是说没有人格,而是要强调我们经常把错误的东西认作我们的人格,这真的非常困难。我是说,无论如何,离开上帝我们无法认识自己。 所以只有在认识上帝的过程中,我们才认识我们是谁,那是一个奥迹,而我们也是一个奥迹。 所以那里有一种知识,但它更多是在那种关系中的经验性知识……

Patristic Nectar Publications presents The Life and Teaching of St. Maximus the Confessor by Father Maximus Simonopetridis. Lecture 7: The Theology of St. Maximus, Questions of Thalassios, Part 1. Welcome back, and welcome to those who might be here for the first time. Just so you know, there are two handouts tonight. We put some out on the seats, but not knowing how many people would be here, there might be some spaces where there are no handouts. So I think, Father, there are two. There’s a one-page double-sided handout, and there’s another one of multiple pages. They’re being distributed or circulated, so if you don’t have one, perhaps raise your hand. It’ll be a couple of minutes before we get to them, so I think we’ll be okay. Well, today is Sunday. That’s a blessed day. It’s the day that the Lord has made, and we should all rejoice in it. And it was truly a beautiful and wonderful experience to be able to worship with you. This morning the liturgy was vibrant and beautiful and alive and meaningful, and all worship, of course, is a beautiful thing, but especially the celebration of the Eucharist in which the Lord gives himself to us totally. The word Eucharist means thanksgiving, and it’s the only thing at the end that we can actually say to the Lord: thank you. Well, what else can be said? So, we want to be Eucharistic people, which means we want to live lives not of resentment, but of gratitude. There are a lot of things that might get us down or make us resentful, but we don’t want to become people of resentment. We want to become people of gratitude and of thanksgiving. It’s been a real blessing to spend these days with you, and for all of us, I think, to spend these days with St. Maximus. Despite his difficulties and the other sort of challenge that his language and thought presents us, the rewards, I think, are equally great. And, of course, this is just the beginning. We’ve only scratched the surface. And those who have the desire for more now, I think, hopefully have a sense of the direction in which to move. And tonight, alas, we are here to kind of conclude our seminar and to bid farewell, if only temporarily, to St. Maximus the Confessor. Yesterday we spoke about the Word of God, the Logos, as embodied in both creation and scripture. And last night the emphasis was on creation. The emphasis was on the presence of the Logos in creation, and I tried to stress the idea that according to St. Maximus and in Orthodox theology more generally, creation is a theophany. Creation is not something separate from God. It is a manifestation of God. It is the self-expression of God. It is the self-disclosure of God in and through the elements of the material world. And one of the intriguing images from the text that we read yesterday, and maybe some of you will reread that on the eve of the Feast of the Transfiguration, was this intriguing image of the world as a text, of the world as a text. And that the physical forms and the elements and the objects and the creatures and the beings in the world are the letters and the syllables and the words of this text that is the world. And it’s a striking thing, I mean, to look out the window and to think that the elements of creation, there’s a language out there, and that the meaning of the language is ultimately the Logos himself, right? Coming to us. manifesting himself through the diversity of the created order. So that was last night, and to a certain extent the night before that. Tonight we turn our attention to Scripture, to the presence of the Logos in

教父甘露出版社(Patristic Nectar Publications)推出由马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父(Father Maximus Simonopetridis)所著的《认信者圣马克西姆的生平与教导》。 第七讲:圣马克西姆的神学,撒拉修问题,第一部分。 欢迎回来,也欢迎那些可能是第一次来这里的人。顺便说一下,今晚有两份讲义。我们在座位上放了一些,但因为不知道会有多少人到场,可能有些地方没有讲义。所以我想, 神父,有两份。一份是单页双面讲义,另一份是多页的。它们正在分发或传阅中,所以如果你没有,也许可以举手。 我们还需要几分钟才能讲到它们,所以 我想我们没问题。 嗯, 今天是星期日。这是一个有福的日子。这是主所造的日子,我们都应该在其中欢喜。能够与你们一起敬拜,这确实是一次美好而奇妙的经历。今天早晨的礼仪充满活力、美丽、生动且富有意义,当然,所有的敬拜都是美好的事情,尤其是圣体圣事的庆祝,在其中主将自己完全赐给了我们。圣体圣事这个词的意思是感恩,这也是我们在最后唯一能真正对主说的话:谢谢。那么,还有什么可说的呢?所以,我们想要成为圣体圣事的子民,这意味着我们想要过一种不充满怨恨,而是充满感恩的生活。有很多事情可能会让我们沮丧或让我们心生怨恨,但我们不想成为充满怨恨的人。我们想成为充满感恩和感谢的人。 能与你们共度这些日子,对我们所有人来说,我认为能与圣马克西姆共度这些日子,真的是一种真正的祝福。尽管他的思想及其语言和思想给我们带来的其他挑战存在困难,但我认为回报同样是巨大的。当然,这仅仅是个开始。我们只是触及了皮毛。而那些现在渴望更多的人,我想,希望能有一种前进的方向感。今晚,唉,我们在这里算是要结束我们的研讨会,并向认信者圣马克西姆告别,哪怕只是暂时的。 昨天我们谈到了上帝之道,即道,它体现在受造物和圣经中。昨晚的重点是受造物。重点是道在受造物中的同在,我试图强调这样一个观念:根据圣马克西姆以及更广泛的东正教神学,受造物是一种神显。受造物不是与上帝分离的东西。它是上帝的彰显。它是上帝的自我表达。它是上帝在物质世界的元素中并通过这些元素进行的自我启示。昨天我们阅读的文本中有一个引人入胜的意象,也许你们中的一些人会在变容节前夕重读它,那就是将世界视为文本的引人入胜的意象, 将世界视为文本。世界中的物理形态、元素、物体、受造物和存在,都是作为世界这个文本的字母、音节和词语。这是一件令人惊叹的事情,我的意思是,看着窗外,想到受造物的元素,那里有一种语言, 而这种语言的最终意义就是道本身,对吧?向我们走来。 通过受造秩序的多样性彰显他自己。这就是昨晚的内容,在某种程度上也是前天晚上的内容。今晚我们将注意力转向圣经,转向道在

Scripture. And this brings us to the second major work by St. Maximus the Confessor, namely the Questions to Thalassius. We mentioned that on our second night when we went over the works, we had a close look at the Ambigua, this very difficult and complicated work, dealing more with cosmology and creation. The Questions to Thalassius now is a work that deals primarily with scripture. And Thalassius, as I mentioned a couple of nights ago, was the abbot of a monastery in North Africa where St. Maximus had settled. And sometimes Thalassius is called Thalassius the Libyan because the region that his monastery was in is in sort of modern-day Libya. And Thalassius and Saint Maximus were very good friends. They became very close during Maximus’ time in North Africa. And they corresponded because we know that we have letters between the two of them. And there was a lot of mutual respect. And Thalassius was older. So Maximus sort of looked up to him as the abbot and the priest and so on. But I think Thalassius recognized that St. Maximus was really the intellect and the philosopher, and this becomes clear in the correspondence. So at one point Thalassius writes to St. Maximus the Confessor and he sends him a list of 65 difficult passages from scripture. 65 difficult or obscure or ambiguous text or excerpts or passages from scripture, and he asks Maximus for two things. The first thing he asks for is for what Thalassius calls, big word coming, an anagogical interpretation. We’ll talk more about that in a minute, but what that essentially means, an anagogical interpretation is not a literal interpretation. Not a historical interpretation, but what we would call a spiritual interpretation. Something like allegory, we’ll say more about that in a moment too, but he asks for a spiritual interpretation. Anagogy, by the way, it’s actually an English word, believe it or not, if you look in certain dictionaries, I mean, it is there. Anago, ana and ago are the elements of it. It really means it’s an elevating interpretation. So he’s asking for an interpretation of scripture that will take him from the letter to the spirit. Something that will raise him up from the lower physical material level of things to the kind of higher spiritual level. That’s the first thing he asks for. The second thing he asks for, he’s asking a lot actually, but the second thing he asks for is that while you’re interpreting, clarifying and explaining these difficult passages in an elevating manner, I’d like you to focus on the spiritual life with special attention to the passions. So he’s asking for two things, but they turn out to be very closely interrelated, as we’ll see. So let’s just spend maybe a minute or two talking about each of these two things in turn. Scripture and its interpretation, and then the passions. Very, very quickly, just to frame because we want to get to the text as soon as we can.

圣经。这把我们带到了认信者圣马克西姆的第二部主要著作,即《致撒拉修的问题》。我们在第二个晚上回顾这些著作时提到过, 我们仔细查看了《难解篇》(Ambigua),这部非常困难且复杂的著作, 更多涉及宇宙论和受造物。而《致撒拉修的问题》现在是一部主要探讨圣经的著作。而且 撒拉修,正如我几个晚上前提到的,是圣马克西姆定居的北非一家修院的院长。有时撒拉修被称为利比亚的撒拉修,因为他修院所在的地区大约在今天的利比亚。撒拉修和圣马克西姆是非常好的朋友。他们在马克西姆在北非期间变得非常亲密。他们有通信,因为我们知道他们之间有书信往来。他们之间有很多相互尊重。撒拉修年纪更大。所以马克西姆把他作为院长和神父等来敬仰。但我认为撒拉修认识到圣马克西姆才是真正的智者和哲学家,这在通信中变得很明显。所以在某个时候,撒拉修写信给认信者圣马克西姆,并寄给他一份包含65段难懂的圣经段落的清单。 65段困难的、晦涩的或含糊的 圣经文本、摘录或段落,他向马克西姆要求两件事。他要求的第一件事是撒拉修所说的——大词来了——一种灵意阐释。我们稍后会详细讨论这个问题,但它的基本意思是, 灵意阐释不是字面解释。不是历史解释,而是我们所说的属灵的解释。有点像寓意,我们稍后也会多说一些,但他要求的是属灵的解释。顺便说一句,灵意阐释(Anagogy)实际上是一个英语单词,信不信由你,如果你查某些字典,它确实在里面。 Anago,ana和ago是它的组成部分。它真正的意思是这是一种提升的解释。所以他要求对圣经进行一种能将他“从字句到灵意”的解释。 某种能将他从较低的物质层面提升到较高属灵层面的东西。这是他要求的第一件事。他要求的第二件事,实际上他要求很多,但他要求的第二件事是,当你在解释时, 以一种提升的方式澄清和解释这些难懂的段落时, 我希望你专注于属灵生活,并特别关注情欲。 所以他要求两件事,但正如我们将看到的,它们结果是非常密切相关的。所以让我们花一两分钟时间依次讨论这两件事。圣经及其解释,然后是情欲。非常非常快地,只是为了搭个框架,因为我们想尽快进入文本。

So a couple of words about scripture. Scripture in a way is one of these problematic things because how does it relate to tradition, and the Protestants have their view and the Catholics have their view. Goodness, what is the Orthodox view? And it’s a bit of a stumbling block. It doesn’t need to be, doesn’t have to be, but we do have questions about it. We come from different traditions, we have different ideas and thoughts about it. And I’ll share with you, maybe you know this, but I’ll share with you something that I read about scripture once that really just dramatically changed my thinking about it. And it’s from St. John Chrysostom, who of course is recognized as the most beloved and the greatest interpreter of sacred scripture in the church. And if you want to find it, it’s available in English. It’s in the prologue, the opening homily to his homilies on Matthew, right? And if you know a little bit about St. John Chrysostom, you know that he was devoted to the Bible. He was more on the literal historical side of things and kind of a biblicist, not quite a fundamentalist, but he was much more inclined to the literal, plain sense of scripture. And that was my expectation. So you can imagine how surprised I was when I opened up the first page of these. It’s a commentary on Matthew, but there are sermons. Opened up the first sermon, and what does he say? What does he say? Totally took me by surprise. He says, it would be a good thing had we no need of the written scriptures. I’m like, what? Right? It would be a good thing had we no need of the written scriptures, but instead had the Holy Spirit living and active in our hearts. Because if you have the author of scripture living and active in your heart, you don’t need the written, right? So it would be a good thing if we had no need of the written scripture, but if we had instead the Holy Spirit living and active in our hearts. But because we lost the grace of the Holy Spirit, Because we fail to cultivate the grace of the Holy Spirit, God, in his love and mercy, gave us the Holy Scriptures. And then in a classic Chrysostomic twist, he says, and how bad are you if having lost the Holy Spirit and received the Holy Scriptures, you don’t even read the Holy Scriptures? That’s Chrysostom the preacher scolding the congregation. So that to me was very, very helpful and very, very enlightening. Scripture is this tremendous gift from God. It’s this tremendous divine intervention into language and thought and truth and everything else. But when you hear someone like St. John Chrysostom say that, there’s something still higher. The living presence of the Holy Spirit within the Christian, within the church. Then it puts it in, I think, in a much healthier, not healthier, but in a much more open and expansive kind of perspective. We’re not simply stuck reading a book of any kind. It’s a book now that’s in relation to the Holy Spirit himself. And that’s where spiritual interpretation comes in. Because if the written scripture is authored by the spirit, is the expression of the spirit, ultimately the expression of the logos? Well then how can you avoid the act of interpretation? It’s not just the letters on the page. There’s that level of meaning which we spoke about the other night and this gets us into the whole question of this kind of elevating or spiritual exegesis. The older word for this was allegory. But allegory is one of these words that’s fallen on very hard times. It used to be a popular word, people knew what it meant, and now when you say allegory, people become very suspicious. Oh, allegory, isn’t that, that’s how, that’s what people sort of, like an allegorical flight of fancy. You’re not really interpreting the text as much as you are using the text as a pretext, as a point of departure for some other idea that has nothing to do with scripture. That’s how most of us have been taught to think about allegory, but that’s not how the ancients thought about allegory. So that’s why I say the word has fallen on hard times. And I’ll try not to use it, but at the same time I want to somehow recuperate it, because it is part of the ecclesiastical lexicon and vocabulary, and we should be concerned that we’ve lost it and not requiring anybody to use it, but it’ll be nice to try to somehow rescue it. And how to do that, though? Not necessarily so easy. And many years ago I read a book by sort of an odd thing, by a A Jungian psychologist, he was actually a student of Jung, by the name of James Hillman, who died a couple of years ago. He wrote a book with the odd title called Suicide and the Soul. And the title was enough to intrigue me, and I read the book, it’s a short thing. And as a clinical psychologist, he specialized in people with suicidal ideation, and he worked with hundreds of people who had thoughts of suicide or who had attempted suicide. And the book is the result of that work. And he says that the people that have come to me in despair and in depression and with thoughts of taking their life or who have attempted to take their life, these are people, almost all of them are people who have recognized that they have come to a kind of dead end in their life. They are people who realize that the way they’re living their life now just cannot go on anymore. Whatever has happened, whatever the causes were, whatever the steps were that led them to this place, they have come to the realization that this must end. And he says, you know something? Most times, they’re right. Most times, they’re right. Most times they’re right. But the problem, he says, is that we live in what he calls a non-allegorical culture. We live in a literal culture. Now, whether that’s because of the influence of Protestantism, whether it’s because of the influence of the positive sciences, whether it’s the result of secularism, which tells us that the only things that are real are the things that you can see and hear and touch and measure and weigh and so on, and beyond that there’s nothing, right? That’s all part of that non-allegorical, non-spiritual, literal kind of world. So if you’ve reached the point in your life where you recognize that your life has to end because the life that you’re living is unlivable, and you live in a non-allegorical culture, the only option that’s available to you is to do what? Is to kill the body. Now we would say in an allegorical culture, in a culture that knows that there’s more than the body and more than the letter and more than the literal, that there’s a spiritual level. There are symbolic ways of dying. There are symbolic, allegorical ways, if you will, liturgical ways of putting to death the thing within you that needs to die. So I used to introduce this to some of my students in courses on Scripture because I thought it was a very dramatic and a very helpful way to make the point that there is such a thing as an allegorical world, and look at the consequences when you separate or reduce experience simply to the corporeal or the physical or the sense perceptible or the literal or whatever else sort of belongs in that category. So that’s one way to sort of rethink the idea of the allegorical or the spiritual. But we don’t need to go to James Hillman or Jung or anybody else because the idea of a spiritual exegesis or spiritual, I’ve been sensitized to that word, a spiritual interpretation of scripture comes from St. Paul.

那么,关于圣经说几句。 圣经在某种程度上是这些有争议的问题之一,因为它与传统有何关系,新教有新教的看法,天主教有天主教的看法。天哪,东正教的看法是什么?这有点像个绊脚石。它不需要成为绊脚石,也不必成为绊脚石,但我们确实对此有疑问。我们来自不同的传统,对此有不同的想法和见解。我将与你们分享,也许你们知道这个,但我将与你们分享我曾经读到过的一些关于圣经的内容,它彻底改变了我的想法。这是金口约翰说的,他当然被公认为教会中最受爱戴、最伟大的圣经解释者。 如果你想找到它,有英文版的。它就在他关于《马太福音》的讲道集的序言,也就是开篇讲道中,对吧?如果你对金口约翰有一点了解,你就会知道他致力于圣经。他更偏向字面历史的一面,有点像个圣经主义者,不完全是基要主义者,但他更倾向于圣经的字面、平白含义。 那是我的期望。所以你可以想象当我翻开这些书的第一页时有多惊讶。这是对《马太福音》的注释,但它们是讲道。翻开第一篇讲道,他说了什么?他说了什么?完全让我大吃一惊。他说,如果我们不需要成文的圣经,那将是一件好事。 我心想,什么?对吧?如果我们不需要成文的圣经,而是有圣灵在我们心中活泼地运行,那将是一件好事。 因为如果你有圣经的作者在你心中活泼地运行,你就不需要成文的圣经了,对吧? 所以如果我们不需要成文的圣经,而是有圣灵在我们心中活泼地运行,那将是一件好事。但因为我们失去了圣灵的恩典, 因为我们未能培育圣灵的恩典,上帝出于他的爱与怜悯,赐给了我们圣经。然后,以典型的金口约翰式的转折,他说,如果你失去了圣灵并领受了圣经,却连圣经都不读,你有多糟糕呢?那是讲道者金口约翰在责备会众。所以对我来说,这非常有帮助,也非常有启发性。 圣经是上帝赐予的巨大礼物。这是对语言、思想、真理以及其他一切事物的巨大神圣干预。 但是当你听到像金口约翰这样的人这样说时,还有更高的东西。 圣灵在基督徒内、在教会内活泼的同在。然后它将其置于一个我认为更健康——不是更健康,而是更开放、更广阔的视角中。我们不仅仅是局限于阅读任何一本书。 现在这本书与圣灵本身有关。这就是灵意释经的切入点。因为如果成文的圣经是由灵所写,是灵的表达,最终是道的表达?那么你怎么能避免解释的行为呢?这不仅仅是纸上的文字。还有我们那天晚上谈到的那个层面的意义,这让我们进入了关于这种提升或灵意释经的整个问题。这个词的旧称是寓意。但是寓意是这些陷入困境的词汇之一。它曾经是一个流行的词,人们知道它的意思,现在当你说寓意时,人们变得非常怀疑。哦,寓意,那不是,那就是人们觉得的,像一种寓意的异想天开。 你并不是在解释文本,而是在利用文本作为借口,作为与圣经毫无关系的其他想法的出发点。我们大多数人被教导这样看待寓意,但这并不是古人对寓意的看法。所以这就是为什么我说这个词陷入了困境。我会尽量不使用它,但同时我想以某种方式恢复它,因为它是教会词汇和术语的一部分,我们应该为我们失去了它而感到担忧,虽然不要求任何人使用它,但如果能以某种方式拯救它就太好了。 但是,该怎么做呢?不一定那么容易。很多年前我读了一本有点奇怪的书,作者是 一位荣格派心理学家,他实际上是荣格的学生,名叫詹姆斯·希尔曼,几年前去世了。他写了一本书,书名很奇怪,叫《自杀与灵魂》。 这个书名足以引起我的兴趣,我读了这本书,篇幅很短。作为一名临床心理学家,他专门研究有自杀意念的人,他曾与数百名有自杀念头或曾试图自杀的人共事。这本书就是这项工作的成果。他说,那些在绝望和抑郁中来到我这里,有结束自己生命的念头或曾试图结束自己生命的人,这些人,几乎所有人都是认识到自己在生活中走到了某种死胡同的人。 他们是意识到自己现在的生活方式再也无法继续下去的人。 无论发生了什么,无论原因是什么,无论是什么步骤导致他们走到这一步,他们都意识到这必须结束。他说,你知道吗?大多数时候,他们是对的。大多数时候,他们是对的。 大多数时候他们是对的。但他说,问题在于我们生活在他所说的非寓意文化中。我们生活在一个字面的文化中。现在,这是否是因为新教的影响,是否是因为实证科学的影响,是否是世俗主义的结果,世俗主义告诉我们唯一真实的东西是那些你能看到、听到、触摸到、测量和称重的东西,除此之外什么都没有,对吧?这都是那种非寓意、非属灵、字面世界的一部分。所以如果你在生活中达到了这样一个地步,你认识到你的生活必须结束,因为你所过的生活是无法生存的,而你生活在一个非寓意的文化中,你唯一可用的选择是做什么? 就是杀死身体。 现在我们会在一种寓意文化中说, 在一种知道除了身体、除了字句、除了字面之外还有更多东西,还有一个属灵层面的文化中。 有象征性的死亡方式。有象征性的、寓意性的方式,如果你愿意的话, 礼仪的方式来处死你内心需要死去的东西。 所以我过去常常在圣经课程中向一些学生介绍这一点,因为我认为这是一种非常戏剧化且非常有帮助的方式,可以说明确实存在一个寓意世界,并看看当你将经验仅仅分离或简化为肉体、物理、感官可感知或字面或任何其他属于该类别的东西时会产生什么后果。所以这是重新思考寓意或属灵概念的一种方式。但我们不需要去詹姆斯·希尔曼或荣格或任何其他人那里,因为灵意释经或属灵——我对这个词很敏感——对圣经的属灵解释的想法来自圣保罗。

All of the church fathers, all of the great interpreters of scripture who engage in a spiritualizing reading of scripture are the disciples of St. Paul. They have learned to interpret scripture spiritually from St. Paul. We don’t have the time to go through all of these sort of places in St. Paul to prove the point, but just a few and I’m sure you know the rest, that St. Paul says that Adam is a type of Christ. Adam was not just a historical figure who lived and died and that’s the end of it. No. Adam is a foreshadowing, a prefiguration, a type of another Adam. That is a spiritual interpretation of Genesis, isn’t it? It’s a spiritual interpretation of creation and recreation. Adam and the new Adam, the first and the second Adam. Paul talks about the spiritual nature of Abraham’s circumcision, To take something as crass as circumcision, sorry to even bring it up. But to take something like that and to make it a spiritual metaphor for the circumcision of the heart and all of the other things that Paul does with that image, that is a spiritual reading or a spiritual interpretation of the Levitical laws about that practice. You could call it an allegory, if you will, of circumcision. Abraham’s two children, Galatians 4, 22-31, that famous passage, here’s where Paul says that these things I won’t repeat the story, I assume that we all know it, but when talking about the spiritual or symbolic significance of Abraham’s two children, Paul says these things have been said allegorically. There’s the word. So we have no business rejecting a word that St. Paul himself was comfortable using. So there’s the word, allegory, Galatians 4, I think, 22 forward. Paul says that the law was spiritual. In other words, it talks about the spiritual nature of the law. And you can’t read the epistle to the Hebrews, for example, and fail to see that the entire sacrificial cult of the Old Testament is interpreted in a spiritual way. That is a spiritual interpretation of scripture. Call it an allegory or not, if you don’t like that word. That is also an elevating, an anagogical interpretation of Scripture, going from, let’s say, the sacrifice of cattle and other animals, to talking about the sacrifice of the Son of God. Look at what Paul does with the Exodus narrative. The entire Exodus narrative. Christ, our Pascha, has been sacrificed for us. And all of our fathers drank from the rock, and the rock was Christ. That is a spiritual reading of Scripture. That is, again, an allegorical reading of Scripture. Maybe I’m more bothered by the word allegory than some of you, and maybe I’m harping on it, but there it is. And I could give you many more examples, but the fathers of the church who interpreted the books of the Bible were the disciples of St. Paul. St. Paul was the first one to interpret the Old Testament spiritually, in the light of Christ, and that was the pattern that was followed by the church fathers. So that’s just a word about Scripture and its spiritual interpretation. Now we have to spend a couple of more minutes talking about the spiritual life and the passions. So that’s the second thing that Thalassius asked Maximus to do. I want a spiritual interpretation of Scripture, and I would like you to focus on the spiritual life with special attention to the passions.

所有的教父,所有对圣经进行属灵阅读的伟大释经家,都是圣保罗的门徒。他们从圣保罗那里学会了属灵地解释圣经。 我们没有时间逐一查看圣保罗的所有这些地方来证明这一点,但只举几个例子,我相信你们知道其余的,圣保罗说亚当是基督的预表。亚当不仅仅是一个生与死就到此为止的历史人物。不。亚当是另一个亚当的预示、预像和预表。这是对《创世记》的属灵解释,不是吗?这是对创造与再创造的属灵解释。亚当和新亚当,第一个亚当和第二个亚当。保罗谈到了亚伯拉罕割礼的属灵性质, 拿 像割礼这样粗俗的事情来说,很抱歉甚至提起它。但是拿这样的事情,把它变成心里割礼的属灵隐喻,以及保罗用那个形象所做的一切其他事情,这就是对该实践的利未记律法的属灵阅读或属灵解释。如果你愿意,你可以称它为割礼的寓意。 亚伯拉罕的两个孩子,《加拉太书》4章22-31节,那段著名的经文,保罗在这里说这些事情 我不会重复这个故事,我假设我们都知道它,但在谈论亚伯拉罕两个孩子的属灵或象征意义时,保罗说这些事情是寓意性地说出来的。这个词就在这里。 所以我们无权拒绝一个圣保罗自己用起来很自在的词。所以这个词就是寓意,《加拉太书》4章,我想,从22节开始。 保罗说律法是属灵的。换句话说,它谈到了律法的属灵性质。例如,你不能读《希伯来书》而看不到《旧约》的整个献祭仪式是以属灵的方式解释的。这是对圣经的属灵解释。如果你不喜欢那个词,叫不叫它寓意都可以。这也是一种提升, 一种对圣经的灵意阐释,从,比方说,牛和其他动物的献祭,谈到上帝之子的献祭。 看看保罗对《出埃及记》叙事的处理。整个《出埃及记》的叙事。基督,我们的帕斯哈,已经为我们献祭了。 我们的祖宗都喝了那磐石出的水,那磐石就是基督。 那是对圣经的属灵阅读。那又是对圣经的寓意阅读。 也许我比你们中的一些人更在意“寓意”这个词,也许我在反复强调它,但事实就是如此。 我还可以给你们举更多的例子,但解释圣经各卷的教父们都是圣保罗的门徒。圣保罗是第一个在基督的光照下属灵地解释《旧约》的人, 这也是教父们所遵循的模式。所以这只是关于圣经及其属灵解释的一点说明。现在我们必须再花几分钟谈谈属灵生活和情欲。这是撒拉修要求马克西姆做的第二件事。我想要对圣经的属灵解释,我也希望你专注于属灵生活,特别关注情欲。

I had it in mind to produce an outline, but I didn’t get around to doing that today. It wasn’t part of my original thinking for this, but I thought it would be helpful. So just a couple of minutes to go through. Because the passions, it’s a word that we use if we read spiritual books or the writings of the church fathers. The word does come up, and it’s not always clear what it means, and we’re going to be encountering it in the texts. So before we enter into the works of St. Maximus, it’ll be good to say a couple of words. So the word passion means different things in English, doesn’t it? I have a passion for tennis, right? That’s not very helpful here. It’s a different meaning altogether. Or a passionate romance or something. Most of the English uses of the word passion are not quite to the mark when it comes to the ecclesiastical. So the Greek word is pathos in the singular, pathi in the plural. From whence we have words like pathology. Right? And pathetic, which means something, right? Or even though there’s a word pathos, by the way, which is, again, they all move in different directions, but they have their root in this pathos. Pathology actually is really the closest to it. And on the one hand, passion means suffering, physical suffering, but also spiritual suffering, which is why we speak of the passion of Christ. Talk about the passion of Christ, Passion Week. We mean the suffering of Jesus Christ during the final days of his life on earth. That meaning is known to Orthodox Christians. We also speak of the passions of the martyrs. That might not be quite so familiar to you, but we have saints’ lives, but we have passions of martyrs. We don’t have the life of the martyr. We usually just have the last few days of theirs. So it’s not a life. It’s called the passion because it’s their suffering, right? So there’s that sense of passion, pathos, pathology, suffering, okay? But there’s another. The Greek has two meanings, at least two meanings, but these are the two major meanings. And the second one is just as important and very important for the other meaning of passions we’ll talk about now. It also means passivity. And if a person has a passion in the spiritual sense, if someone is suffering from a passion, that’s something that becomes a passive experience for them. What do I mean by that? Let’s say one day, in a moment of weakness, I do something I shouldn’t. I make a bad call, a bad judgment. I’m tempted and I do something that I shouldn’t. I’ve never done it before. I was surprised that I did it, but having done it now, something’s changed. I have this experience now that I didn’t have before. And I’m a weak-willed person. I’m not a strong Christian. Maybe I don’t have a very deep faith. And something about that peccadillo or that misdeed or that little sin that I committed now begins to play on my mind. And maybe I do it a second time. And at this point I’m still, or a third time, at this point I’m still free to not do it ever again. Because I’ve only done it once or twice. But if this becomes a habit, If I become habituated into this bad habit or this self-destructive behavior, one glass of wine became a bottle of wine, became a case of wine, or an ice cream cone became a pint of ice cream, became a gallon of ice cream, if I become habituated into that practice or that activity, I end up slowly but surely losing my will, I increasingly weaken my willpower with respect to that. In the beginning, I could have, if I wanted to, struggled against it. But the more deeply I go into it, and the further, the more time I spend with it, and the more I think about it, and the more I do it, the more difficult it becomes to stop. Until I get to the point where, when the temptation comes, I’m actually powerless to resist. I know I shouldn’t do this thing. I lost my job because of this. My marriage failed because of this. I damaged relations with my loved ones because of this. But I just can’t stop, right? Which is why Aristotle says habit is second nature. It wasn’t my nature to do that, but it became my second nature because of the activity and the repetition and the habituation. Right? That’s why the passion, so now I have a passion for alcohol or food or whatever it might be, right? It could be all kinds of things. For shopping, I mean, who knows, right? To give in to anger, that’s another kind of a passion. So that’s why passion and passivity are, I mean, that’s why pathos, passion, means passivity. Because now it’s not something that I do actively. It’s something that I befall. I’m sorry, that’s not the right way to use that word. It’s something that befalls me. There’s maybe one little illustration. There’s the story from the sayings of the Desert Fathers about the young monk who goes to the elder and he asks him a question about the passions. And the elder says, okay, this story, by the way, involves damage to trees. No real trees were damaged. He says, do you see that little sapling out there? Go out and pull it out of the ground. So the young monk goes out and he pushes the tree this way and that, and after a few minutes he’s able to yank it out of the ground. Then the elder says, good. He says, now do you see that larger tree over there? He means that bigger. He goes, go and pull that out of the ground now. So he goes out there and of course he’s going to roll up his sleeves and he’s pushing and pulling and takes him all day and night, manages finally to uproot it a little bit and by early the next morning he’s able to knock the thing out of the ground. Then the elder says, okay, there’s another tree up on the hill. Do you see that one? Three times the size now of the… And in some versions of the story, the monk goes and gets friends to help him pull the tree out. In others it doesn’t happen, he just can’t do it. It’s just impossible. It’s beyond my strength now. He says, well, that’s what the passions are like, right? When they’re small, as they begin to take root, they can be plucked out. And when they grow and maybe occupy more of our psychic or spiritual space, with effort they can be removed. But if we go too far and stay too long and this becomes habitual, as I’ve said. It becomes like a second nature. Then we are impassioned, right? Then we have a passion. And try as we might, I mean, it’ll get the best of us, right? We might have a few good days, a few good weeks, a few good months, but it’s always going to be there. It’s like you’re on a leash, and as long as you stay within the comfort zone, you’re fine, but after a certain point, right? Now, I’m not saying that passions are incurable. They’re incurable by us, right? As the fathers of the church say, when you’re bound hand and foot, which is what that experience is like. Powerless to disengage to stop this self-destructive behavior, these bad habits, these bad thoughts. When you’re bound hand and foot, you can’t untie yourself. You need someone else to come and untie you. And that someone else is Christ. That someone else is the grace of God. Only God’s grace can free us, can liberate us from the grip, the terrible grip that the passions have over us. So, passion, suffering, passivity, right? Now, there are actually two kinds of passions.

我本来想列个提纲,但今天没来得及做。这不在我的最初设想中,但我认为这会有所帮助。所以只花几分钟过一下。因为“情欲”(passions),如果我们阅读属灵书籍或教父的著作,这是一个我们会用到的词。 这个词确实会出现,而且它的含义并不总是很清楚,我们将在文本中遇到它。因此,在我们进入圣马克西姆的著作之前,说几句会比较好。所以“情欲”(passion)这个词在英语中有不同的含义,不是吗?我对网球有热情(passion),对吧? 这在这里没什么帮助。那是完全不同的含义。或者是充满激情的浪漫之类的。在教会语境中,英语中“passion”一词的大多数用法都不太贴切。希腊语单词单数是pathos,复数是pathi。由此我们有了像病理学(pathology)这样的词。对吧?还有可悲的(pathetic),意思是某种东西,对吧?或者顺便说一句,还有一个词叫pathos,同样,它们都朝着不同的方向发展,但它们的根源都在这个pathos上。病理学实际上是最接近它的。一方面,passion意味着受苦,肉体的受苦,但也包括属灵的受苦,这就是为什么我们谈论基督的受难。谈论基督的受难,受难周。我们指的是耶稣基督在世上最后几天所受的苦难。 这个含义为东正教基督徒所熟知。 我们也谈论殉道者的受难。这对你们来说可能不太熟悉,但我们有圣徒传记, 但我们有殉道者的受难。我们没有殉道者的生平。我们通常只有他们最后几天的记录。所以这不是传记。它被称为受难(passion),因为这是他们的受苦,对吧?所以这就是passion、pathos、病理学、受苦的含义,好吗? 但还有另一个含义。希腊语有两个含义,至少两个含义,但这两个是主要含义。第二个含义同样重要,而且对于我们接下来要谈论的“情欲”的另一个含义非常重要。它也意味着被动性。 如果一个人在属灵意义上有了某种情欲,如果有人正受某种情欲之苦, 那对他们来说就变成了一种被动的体验。 我这么说是什么意思? 假设有一天,在一个软弱的时刻,我做了不该做的事。我做出了一个糟糕的决定,一个糟糕的判断。我受到诱惑,做了一件我不该做的事。我以前从未做过。我对自己做了这件事感到惊讶,但现在既然做了,有些事情就改变了。我现在有了以前没有的这种经历。而我是一个意志薄弱的人。 我不是一个坚强的基督徒。也许我没有很深的信仰。而我犯下的那个小过失、那个恶行或那个小罪,现在开始在我的脑海中挥之不去。也许我又做了第二次。 而在这个时候,我仍然,或者第三次,在这个时候我仍然有自由永远不再做它。因为我只做过一次或两次。但如果这变成了一种习惯, 如果我习惯了这个坏习惯或这种自我毁灭的行为, 一杯酒变成了一瓶酒,变成了一箱酒, 或者一个冰淇淋甜筒变成了一品脱冰淇淋,变成了一加仑冰淇淋,如果我习惯了那种做法或那种活动,我最终会缓慢但确实地 失去我的意志, 我越来越削弱我在那方面的意志力。一开始,如果我想的话,我本可以与之抗争的。但我陷得越深,走得越远,花在上面的时间越多,想得越多,做得越多, 就越难停下来。直到我到了这样一个地步:当诱惑来临时,我实际上已经无力抵抗。 我知道我不该做这件事。 因为这个我丢了工作。因为这个我的婚姻失败了。因为这个我破坏了与亲人的关系。但我就是停不下来,对吧?这就是为什么亚里士多德说习惯是第二本性。做那件事不是我的本性,但因为活动、重复和习惯化,它成了我的第二本性。对吧?这就是为什么情欲,所以现在我对酒精或食物或其他任何东西有了情欲,对吧?可能是各种各样的事情。对于购物,我是说,谁知道呢,对吧? 屈服于愤怒,那是另一种情欲。所以这就是为什么情欲和被动性是,我是说,这就是为什么pathos,情欲,意味着被动性。因为现在它不再是我主动去做的事情。它是降临到我身上的事情。抱歉,那个词不是这么用的。它是降临到我身上的事情。 也许有一个小例子。在《沙漠教父言行录》中有一个故事,讲的是一个年轻修士去找长老,问他一个关于情欲的问题。 长老说,好吧,顺便说一句,这个故事涉及对树木的损害。没有真正的树木受到损害。 他说,你看到外面那棵小树苗了吗?出去把它从地里拔出来。于是年轻修士走出去,把树推来推去,几分钟后他就能把它从地里拔出来了。 然后长老说,很好。他说,现在你看到那边那棵更大的树了吗? 他指的是那棵更大的。他说,现在去把它从地里拔出来。 于是他走到那里,当然,他卷起袖子,推拉着,花了一整天一夜,终于设法把它稍微连根拔起了一点,到了第二天清晨,他终于能把那东西弄出地面了。 然后长老说,好吧,山上还有一棵树。你看到了吗?现在是那棵树的三倍大…… 在故事的一些版本中, 修士去找朋友帮忙把树拔出来。在其他版本中,他没有这么做,他就是做不到。 这根本不可能。这已经超出了我的力量。他说,嗯,情欲就是这样的,对吧?当它们很小的时候,随着它们开始扎根,它们可以被拔出来。当它们长大并可能占据我们更多的心理或属灵空间时,通过努力它们可以被移除。 但如果我们走得太远,停留得太久,这就会变成习惯,正如我所说。它变得像第二本性一样。 那么我们就被情欲控制了,对吧?那么我们就有了情欲。 尽管我们可能努力尝试,我是说,它会战胜我们,对吧?我们可能会有几天好日子,几个好星期,几个好月份,但它总是会在那里。就像你被拴在皮带上,只要你待在舒适区内,你就没事,但过了某个点,对吧?现在,我不是说情欲是不治之症。它们对我们来说是不治之症,对吧? 正如教父们所说,当你被绑住手脚时,那种体验就是那样的。 无力 摆脱,停止这种自我毁灭的行为,这些坏习惯,这些坏念头。当你被绑住手脚时,你无法解开自己。 你需要别人来为你解开。而那个别人就是基督。那个别人就是上帝的恩典。只有上帝的恩典才能释放我们,将我们从情欲对我们的控制、可怕的控制中解放出来。所以,情欲,受苦,被动性,对吧?现在,实际上有两种情欲。

Two kinds of passions. There are the so-called blameless passions, and then there are the blameworthy passions. The blameless passions are passive things that we experience, things that happen to us passively that we have no control over, right? Such as growing hungry. Nobody wills to grow hungry, right? It’s a passive experience. The body does that to you. Thirst. Nobody wills to be thirsty. You can try it, but your body’s not going to follow, right? Your body’s not going to listen. It’s something that happens to us, right? Growing weary while walking on the road, right? That’s fatigue and needing sleep, right? And even things like desire and the biological desire to procreate. That’s something that’s natural to the organism. Which is why these are all… So these blameless passions now are part of this passive condition or these passive conditions that are part of human existence. We have free will. We are agents and actors and we can make choices and do things, but there are other aspects of our biological and human existence over which we have no control. And there are even involuntary muscles like the heart, and you go to sleep and that thing is still taken away. Same thing with hunger and thirst and many other things. Now, the Church Fathers, and especially St. Maximus, it was really his contribution to the spiritual tradition to kind of articulate Almost a science of the spiritual life and a science of the passions. He says that the blameless passions, which Christ himself had, by the way, when he became human, because he was hungry and grew thirsty and got tired and so on. The blameless passions become the starting point or the ground or the cause of the blameworthy passions. Yes, I have a natural biological need to eat, like it or not. I try not to eat for one day, two days, three days, and I’m going to have to eat at some point. But if that gets out of control, if I find that I like the taste and the texture of certain kinds of foods and the way they feel in my mouth, and I’m stuffed up to here with my dinner, and I’m still eating ice cream because I like the way it tastes, Right? I am on my way to developing the passion of gluttony. Hunger is natural. Hunger is appropriate to us, right? And eating is necessary. But it’s not necessary to be a glutton. Same thing with thirst. I need to drink. And I can even have a cup of wine. We talked about it the other night. And I can share the wine. But if I develop a fondness for the way the wine makes me feel, I start on the road to… A passionate relationship to… Okay, I think this is clear. Maybe you haven’t thought about these things in quite this way, but there’s nothing complicated about this. The best way to think about it is to think about your own physical experiences and how we’ve grown over time and what we do and where we have difficulties, where we struggle with our bodies and objects in the world. Okay, so there’s that.

两种情欲。有所谓的无可指责的情欲, 然后是应受指责的情欲。无可指责的情欲是我们经历的被动事物,是被动发生在我们身上、我们无法控制的事情,对吧?比如感到饥饿。 没有人愿意感到饥饿,对吧?这是一种被动的体验。是你的身体让你这样的。口渴。没有人愿意口渴。你可以试试,但你的身体不会听从,对吧?你的身体不会理你。这是发生在我们身上的事情,对吧? 在路上走的时候感到疲倦,对吧?那是疲劳和需要睡眠,对吧?甚至像欲望和繁衍的生物本能这样的事情。那是生物体自然具有的。 这就是为什么这些都是…… 所以这些无可指责的情欲现在是这种被动状态的一部分,或者说这些被动状态是人类生存的一部分。 我们有自由意志。我们是主体和行动者,我们可以做出选择并采取行动,但在我们生物和人类生存的其他方面,我们却无法控制。甚至还有像心脏这样的不随意肌,你睡着了,那个东西仍然不受你控制。饥饿、口渴和许多其他事情也是一样。现在, 教父们,特别是圣马克西姆,阐述属灵生活和情欲的科学,这确实是他属灵传统的一大贡献。他说,无可指责的情欲——顺便说一句,基督自己成为人时也有这些情欲,因为他也会饥饿、口渴和疲倦等等。 无可指责的情欲成为了应受指责的情欲的起点、基础或原因。 是的,我有进食的自然生物需求, 不管你喜不喜欢。我试着一天、两天、三天不吃东西,但在某个时刻我肯定得吃。但如果这失去了控制,如果我发现我喜欢某些食物的味道和口感,以及它们在我嘴里的感觉,我晚饭已经吃得撑到嗓子眼了,却还在吃冰淇淋,因为我喜欢它的味道,对吧?我正在走向养成贪食的情欲。 饥饿是自然的。饥饿对我们来说是恰当的,对吧?进食是必要的。但成为贪食者并不必要。 口渴也是一样。我需要喝水。我甚至可以喝一杯葡萄酒。我们前几天晚上谈过这个。我可以分享这酒。但如果我培养了对葡萄酒带给我感觉的喜爱, 我就开始走上……的道路 对……产生一种情欲的关系 好了,我想这很清楚了。也许你们没有用这种方式想过这些事情,但这并不复杂。思考这个问题的最好方法是想想你自己的身体体验,想想我们随着时间的推移是如何成长的,我们做了什么,我们在哪里遇到了困难,我们在哪里与我们的身体和世界上的物体作斗争。好了,就是这样。

Passion, passivity, blameless, blameworthy. And now another nuance here, another idea to add, and that’s the difference between things, real things, realities, objects in the world, and the mental representations of those or images of those objects in our mind. And St. Maximus in the chapters on love, by the way, many thanks to Father Thomas for the sermon and for the concluding citation or quotation from, it was very heartwarming to hear, it was a beautiful gesture to St. Maximus. It’s in this same work, though, that you shared with us, the chapters on love, where Maximus talks a lot about the difference between things or objects and their mental representation. Things are good. The things in the world that God put there, water, food, other people, right? Those are all good. There’s nothing bad or evil or wrong about them, right? It’s the mental representations of them in our mind. That’s the problem. So gold, for example, I’ve got gold down there. Gold is just a mineral in the earth, right? It’s put there by God, made by God. It’s part of the earth. Nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing bad about it. It’s certainly not evil, right? By itself, it’s a neutral thing, I guess, right? But once I begin to learn that if I have gold, I can buy things that I like, and the more gold that I have, the more things I can acquire, and I begin to develop this image of gold in my mind, right? And it becomes more than gold now. And it becomes more than an image, by the way. It’s not simply a picture in my mind. It’s an image or an idea or a representation that becomes charged with what? Psychic energy. It’s sort of a thought feeling. Or there are, I want to pick an example, but I don’t want to pick something that’s going to get me in trouble. There’s nothing inherently evil about a man or a woman. There’s nothing inherently bad about a man or a woman, right? But if I begin to develop certain ideas about certain men or certain women, right? If I develop a mental representation about a person that could be good or bad or lustful or what have you, right? It’s not the person that’s to blame. They’re not the source of that. It’s my mind. It’s my thought process. And again, it’s not just an idea. It’s not a neutral thing. It’s a very powerful thing. It’s a thought, feeling. Or maybe a better example, a little more neutral, might be somebody said something to me that hurt my feelings. And because I’m a little prideful, I’m brooding over that now. And I turn it over and over and over and over. And the mind has a way of magnifying things. And if I continue to do this, I plot revenge. I plan my vendetta. I call up other people to get them on my side and I turn it into this big thing. So the things become the ground for us to develop these images. And the images become impassioned. The images become impassioned. The embathis is the embathi noimata. So the power of passion is contained and condensed and congealed in this thing now that’s almost assumed a life of its own in my mind. Because I don’t want to be angry. I don’t want to have lustful thoughts. I don’t want to eat a gallon of ice cream. But darn it, right? There’s this thing in there that almost compels me to do it.

情欲,被动,无可指责,应受指责。现在这里又有一个细微的差别,另一个需要补充的想法,那就是事物、真实的事物、现实、世界上的客体,与它们在我们心中的心相或这些客体的图像之间的区别。圣马克西姆在《爱之章》中——顺便说一句,非常感谢托马斯神父的讲道以及结尾的引用,听起来非常温暖,这是对圣马克西姆的一个美好致敬。不过,正是在你与我们分享的这部著作《爱之章》中,马克西姆大量谈论了事物或客体与其心相之间的区别。事物是好的。上帝放在世界上的事物,水、食物、其他人,对吧?这些都是好的。它们没有任何坏的、邪恶的或错误的地方,对吧?问题在于它们在我们心中的心相。例如黄金,我下面提到了黄金。黄金只是地球上的一种矿物,对吧?它是上帝放在那里的,由上帝创造。它是地球的一部分。它没有任何错。它没有任何坏处。它当然不是邪恶的,对吧?就其本身而言,我想它是一个中性的东西,对吧?但是一旦我开始了解到如果我拥有黄金,我就可以买我喜欢的东西,我拥有的黄金越多,我能获得的东西就越多,我就开始在脑海中形成关于黄金的这种图像,对吧?现在它变得不仅仅是黄金了。顺便说一句,它也不仅仅是一个图像。它不仅仅是我脑海中的一幅画面。它是一个图像、一个想法或一个心相,被什么充满了?心理能量。它有点像一种思想感受。或者,我想举个例子,但我不想举会让我惹上麻烦的例子。男人或女人本身并没有什么邪恶之处。男人或女人本身并没有什么坏处,对吧?但是如果我开始对某些男人或某些女人产生特定的想法,对吧?如果我对一个人形成了一种心相,可能是好的、坏的、充满色欲的或其他的什么,对吧?该受指责的不是那个人。他们不是那个源头。是我的心灵。是我的思维过程。而且,它不仅仅是一个想法。它不是一个中性的东西。它是一个非常强大的东西。它是一种思想感受。或者也许一个更好的、稍微中性一点的例子是,有人对我说了一些伤害我感情的话。因为我有点骄傲,我现在正在为此耿耿于怀。我一遍又一遍地翻来覆去想这件事。而心灵有一种放大事物的能力。如果我继续这样做,我就会策划报复。我计划我的仇杀。我打电话给其他人让他们站在我这边,然后我把它变成了一件大事。所以事物成了我们发展这些图像的基础。而这些图像变得充满情欲。这些图像变得充满情欲。情欲就是情欲心相。所以情欲的力量被包含、浓缩和凝固在这个现在几乎在我脑海中有了自己生命的东西里。因为我不想生气。我不想有充满色欲的念头。我不想吃一加仑的冰淇淋。但是该死的,对吧?里面有这个东西几乎在强迫我这么做。

All right, one last point, and then I didn’t have room on the board, and then we can turn to the text. This has to do with the relationship between the passions, these thoughts, and the demons. Now, we were talking about this the other night with a couple of the folks here. I think if you reflect on your thought processes, you’ll probably realize at one point that some thoughts are surely your own. I’m having negative thoughts about this person or that person because I just don’t like them, and I always have negative thoughts about them. No surprise there. Or I’m anxious to see this person or do this thing because that’s what I’m into, okay? So if the thought to do that comes into my mind, there’s no need to blame the devil for that. That’s just your own weaknesses and your own passions and your own desires generating these thoughts in your mind, okay? But there are other thoughts that come to us that seem strange, bizarre, dark, evil, twisted, perverted. Things you never imagined in your whole life. Where on earth did that come from? And often they will arise in your mind at the most inappropriate moments: standing in church, being online to receive Communion. And then, Saint John of Damascus in one of the Communion prayers says, “Even now, standing before the gates of the Holy… I do not put away from my wicked thoughts.” Nobody going to receive Communion wants to have dark, evil, twisted, perverted thoughts. So that’s not you. That is not you. So these things feel like they come to us from some objective reality outside of us. They almost feel like an assault. And these are said to be demonic thoughts. Demonic thoughts. We had a conversation with a student a couple of years ago in a class. We were reading a work about this sort of thing. And she was so relieved to hear this said. She said, because I walk to school every day and I have to cross a road with a bridge on it. And for the last month, every time I crossed that bridge, a voice comes into my head and it says, “jump off.” She goes, I’m not depressed, I’m not suicidal, it’s really weird. I said, well, I could tell more stories about this, but we have to move on. So the passions and the thoughts that they breed, and it’s a reciprocal kind of a relationship, are closely aligned with the demonic, which is why… not closely aligned and often identified. So we have seven deadly sins like gluttony and avarice and so on. There are demons too that have those sins. It’s the demon of gluttony. And if you read some of the spiritual literature of the church, someone who feels overtaken by, let’s say, the spirit of lust. It’s a spirit right there. Or if a lustful thought enters into my mind, that’s the demon of lust putting it there. Now whether it is or whether it isn’t, you can’t always be sure, but it is demonic. Because any thought that’s going to reduce someone else to an object and make them to be something exploited for your own pleasure, that’s demonic. That’s demonic, no matter where it came from. So there’s this very dense and almost inextricable relationship between the passions, and the thoughts, and the demons, and this passivity that we experience. And as we’ll see later in a couple of minutes, St. Maximus argues that the demons try to exploit our blameless passions to make them blameworthy.

好的,最后一点,然后我在黑板上没地方写了,接着我们就可以转向文本了。这与情欲、这些念头以及恶魔之间的关系有关。前几天晚上,我们和这里的几个人谈论过这个。我想,如果你反思一下自己的思维过程,你可能会在某个时刻意识到,有些念头无疑是你自己的。我对这个人或那个人有消极念头,因为我就是不喜欢他们,而且我对他们总是有消极念头。这毫不奇怪。或者我渴望见到这个人或做这件事,因为这就是我的兴趣所在,对吧?所以,如果做那件事的念头进入我的脑海,没有必要为此责怪魔鬼。那只是你自己的软弱、你自己的情欲和你自己的欲望在你的脑海中产生了这些念头,明白吗?但是,还有其他一些念头来到我们这里,它们显得奇怪、离奇、黑暗、邪恶、扭曲、变态。那些你一生中从未想象过的事情。这到底是从哪里来的?而且它们往往会在最不合适的时刻出现在你的脑海中:站在教堂里,排队领受圣体圣事。然后,大马士革的约翰在其中一篇领圣体祷文中说:“即使现在,站在圣……的门前,我也无法摒弃我的邪念。”没有人去领受圣体圣事时会想要有黑暗、邪恶、扭曲、变态的念头。所以那不是你。那不是你。所以这些东西感觉像是从我们之外的某种客观现实来到我们这里的。它们几乎感觉像是一种攻击。这些被称为恶魔的念头。恶魔的念头。几年前,我们在课上和一个学生进行过一次谈话。我们当时正在读一本关于这类事情的书。她听到这些话后感到如释重负。她说,因为我每天走路上学,必须穿过一座有桥的马路。在过去的这个月里,每次我过那座桥,我的脑海里都会出现一个声音说:“跳下去。”她说,我没有抑郁,也没有自杀倾向,这真的很奇怪。我说,嗯,关于这个我可以讲更多的故事,但我们得继续往下讲了。因此,情欲及其滋生的念头——这是一种互为因果的关系——与恶魔密切相关,这就是为什么……不仅是密切相关,而且常常被等同起来。所以我们有七宗罪,比如贪食和贪财等等。也有对应这些罪的恶魔。那是贪食的恶魔。如果你阅读教会的一些属灵文献,比如有人觉得自己被色欲之灵所控制。那正是一个灵。或者如果一个色欲的念头进入我的脑海,那是色欲的恶魔把它放在那里的。现在,无论是不是这样,你并不总是能确定,但它是属恶魔的。因为任何将他人贬低为客体、使其成为满足你自身快感而被剥削之物的念头,都是属恶魔的。那是属恶魔的,无论它来自哪里。因此,在情欲、念头、恶魔以及我们所经历的这种被动性之间,存在着一种非常紧密且几乎不可分割的关系。正如我们几分钟后将看到的,圣马克西姆认为,恶魔试图利用我们无可指责的情欲,使其变得应受指责。

All right. So having come to the end of these introductory comments, we can now turn to… The first handout is the one-page handout that’s double-sided. It says, St. Maximus the Confessor, the questions to Thalassius. I’m going to try to read this fairly quickly. We’re not going to talk about it much. I really just want you to see this, because this is remarkable. By the way, this text has never been made available in an English translation. I finished my work on the Ambigua. I’m working on a translation of this book now. You are the first people to see this in English. So we don’t want to spend too much time on this. I want to read it with some rapidity. I just want you to see this because it’s really remarkable. And these are the questions about the passions that Thalassius put to Maximus. And I want you to think about how comprehensive this is, how systematic it is. We’re talking about a science of the spiritual life in a sense. It’s highly nuanced, highly differentiated. Penetrating insightful understanding of what? Of human pathology. of how the self and the blameless passions can become blameworthy. So I’ll read through it and I’m sure you’ll find it as amazing as I do. So this is from the introduction to the work. You had asked me first to say something about the passions that trouble us, namely, how many are they and what exactly are they? What is their origin and to what end does each one lead us based on its particular characteristics? In what faculty of the soul or part of the body are they rooted, enabling them to impose their forms invisibly on the intellect and to bring changes to the body, using our thoughts to stain, as it were, the whole of the wretched soul with the color of sin? What is the meaning of each of their names? And what are their respective activities? At what times and in what forms are they manifested? And how do the foul demons use them in their cunning schemes against us? What are their, and here’s the demons now, what are their unseen machinations and subterfuges? How do some of them imperceptibly project themselves through others? And how do others persuasively beguile some by means of still others? How are they subtle and small, yet vast and imposing? What makes them either slacken or increase? What prompts their attacks, raids, and retreats? What is the meaning of their persistence and duration, of their speed and delays? What, you asked, are the accusations they bring against the soul as if in a tribunal? What are the verdicts they pronounce in the mind and their seeming defeats and victories? This is all the dark thoughts and accusatory voices that we often hear in our minds. What is the particular propensity of each and why are they able to assault the soul through many passions, both through themselves and through others? How do they instantly usher in with themselves their own proper raw materials, as it were, we might want to say, by means of which they deviously mount their bitter war against us, and doggedly torment us with things that have no existence, as if they were present, making us either spring impulsively into action by the material of the passions, or avoid them altogether, the former from our love of pleasure, the latter in fear of pain. What is their mode of existence within us and the nature of the fantasies they provoke in our dreams when we are sleeping? Are they confined to only one part of the soul or body? Or do they pervade the entire soul and the entire body? If, on the one hand, they are within us, do they persuade the soul by means of its natural passions? There they are, the blameless passions. Do they persuade the soul by means of its natural passions to take into itself exterior realities through the intermediary of the body, deceiving the soul so that it might be completely subjected to sensation and abandon what is proper to itself? Or if, on the other hand, they are external to us, is it through the body’s contact with external realities that they configure the invisible soul according to material objects, giving it a composite shape by applying to it the form of the matter received through the imagination? Does there exist among them an order and a sequence, nefariously contrived so that certain demons first test the soul after which others wage war on it? And which ones lead the way for others? And by which ones are they accompanied and followed? Or do they happen to be utterly confused and disordered, troubling the soul through random passions? Is it apart from divine providence that the soul is permitted to suffer such things by them? Or does this happen according to divine providence? If the latter, what is the reason why divine providence abandons the soul to various forms of passions? And in what manner can the passions we have enumerated be removed from the soul? And by means of what works or words or thoughts is the soul freed from them and removes their stains from its consciousness? What specific virtue does the soul need to place in opposition to each passion in order to triumph over it, putting the wicked demon to flight and making it completely vanish along with the movements of the passion. Having been freed from the passions, how is the soul able to examine what is proper to itself? I won’t read anymore. You have it to take home and to read. But this is quite a profound line of questioning. Only people living in deserts and in relative isolation and free of distractions can even see all of this going on inside themselves. When you live in the world, you have to go to work and you’re watching TV. You can’t even observe these phenomena, right? So it’s a great gift that these individuals went out and did this work on themselves and threw all of this light, as it were, on the nature of the soul and the dynamics of what can go wrong with it. This is the kind of opening prologue that I wanted to share with you. Now we can turn to the…

好的。 那么,在结束了这些介绍性评论之后,我们现在可以转向…… 第一份讲义是双面打印的一页纸。上面写着:认信者圣马克西姆,致撒拉修的问题。我会尽量读得快一点。我们不会过多讨论它。我真的只是想让你们看看这个,因为这非常了不起。顺便说一下,这段文本从未有过英文译本。我已经完成了对《疑难篇》(Ambigua)的工作。我现在正在翻译这本书。你们是第一批看到英文版的人。 所以我们不想在这上面花太多时间。我想快速地读一下。我只是想让你们看看这个,因为它真的很了不起。这些是撒拉修向马克西姆提出的关于情欲的问题。我想让你们思考一下这是多么全面,多么系统。在某种意义上,我们谈论的是一门属灵生活的科学。它非常细致,高度分化。对什么的深刻而富有洞察力的理解?对人类病理学的理解。 关于自我和无辜的情欲是如何变得应受责备的。所以我将通读一遍,并且 我相信你们会觉得它和我一样令人惊叹。这是该著作引言的一部分。你曾首先要求我谈谈困扰我们的情欲,即,它们有多少种,究竟是什么?它们的起源是什么,根据其各自的特征,每一种情欲会将我们引向何种结局?它们扎根于灵魂的何种官能或身体的哪个部位,使它们能够无形地将自己的形式强加于心智,并给身体带来改变,利用我们的念头,仿佛用罪的颜色玷污整个悲惨的灵魂?它们各自名称的含义是什么?它们各自的活动是什么?它们在什么时间以什么形式显现?污秽的恶魔如何利用它们来对付我们进行狡猾的阴谋?它们的,这里说的是恶魔,它们看不见的阴谋和诡计是什么? 它们中的一些是如何通过其他情欲不知不觉地投射自身的?而另一些又是如何通过其他情欲说服性地诱骗某些人的?它们为何既微妙又微小,却又庞大而气势逼人?是什么使它们减弱或增强?是什么引发了它们的攻击、突袭和撤退?它们的坚持和持续、它们的迅速和延迟意味着什么?你问,它们仿佛在法庭上对灵魂提出什么指控?它们在心中宣告什么判决,以及它们表面上的失败和胜利?这都是我们经常在脑海中听到的黑暗念头和指控的声音。它们各自的特殊倾向是什么,为什么它们能够通过许多情欲攻击灵魂,既通过它们自身,也通过其他情欲?它们如何瞬间带入,可以说,它们自己特有的原材料, 借此狡猾地对我们发动苦毒的战争,并顽固地用不存在的事物折磨我们,仿佛它们是真实存在的一样,使我们要么出于情欲的质料冲动地采取行动,要么完全回避它们,前者出于我们对快乐的贪爱,后者出于对痛苦的恐惧。它们在我们内部的存在方式是什么,以及它们在我们睡眠时在梦中引发的幻想的本质是什么?它们是否局限于灵魂或身体的某一部分?还是它们渗透了整个灵魂和整个身体?一方面,如果它们在我们内部,它们是否通过灵魂的自然情欲来说服灵魂?它们就在那里,那些无辜的情欲。它们是否通过灵魂的自然情欲,通过身体的中介,说服灵魂将外部现实纳入自身, 欺骗灵魂,使其完全屈服于感觉并抛弃属于它自身的东西?另一方面,如果它们在我们外部,是否是通过身体与外部现实的接触,它们根据物质对象塑造了不可见的灵魂,通过将想象所接收的物质形式应用于灵魂,赋予它一个复合的形状?它们之间是否存在一种秩序和顺序,被邪恶地设计成让某些恶魔先试探灵魂,然后其他恶魔再对其发动战争?哪些恶魔为其他恶魔开路?哪些恶魔伴随并跟随它们?或者它们碰巧完全混乱无序,通过随机的情欲困扰灵魂? 灵魂被允许遭受它们的这些折磨,是否脱离了神圣的眷顾?或者这是否根据神圣的眷顾而发生?如果是后者,神圣的眷顾将灵魂抛弃于各种形式的情欲之中的原因是什么?我们列举的情欲能以何种方式从灵魂中移除?灵魂通过什么行为、言语或念头才能从中解脱,并从其意识中清除它们的污点?灵魂需要将什么特定的美德置于每种情欲的对立面,才能战胜它,击退邪恶的恶魔,并使其连同情欲的活动一起完全消失。 从情欲中解脱出来后,灵魂如何能够审视属于它自身的东西?我不会再读下去了。你们可以带回家去读。但这是一系列相当深刻的问题。只有生活在沙漠中、相对孤立且免于分心的人才能看到自己内心发生的这一切。当你生活在世界上时,你必须去工作,还要看电视。你甚至无法观察到这些现象,对吧?所以,这些人走出去并在自己身上做这些工作,仿佛将所有这些光芒投射在灵魂的本性以及它可能出错的动态上,这是一份伟大的礼物。这就是我想与你们分享的开场白。现在我们可以转向……

Do we need a break? You don’t seem too restless. Okay. All right. We’ll go into this a bit and maybe we’ll take a break. All right. So now what we have are… There are 65 questions, by the way. I said there were 65 biblical passages. Some of them, as you can see, get very short answers. Some of them run to… many dozens of pages, so it’s a very large work altogether. In the interest of time, we’re not gonna look at question five, but you have it there to study on your own. Let’s start with question six. By the way, the work is called The Questions to Thalassius. That’s a bit of a misnomer. It should be called The Answers to Thalassius. But the name stuck and it’s become conventional and that’s what it’s called. But it’s really The Answers to. So question six, here’s the sixth. Yes, Father. Well, yeah, that’s the generous way to, right? But the questions are really the biblical texts. Exactly, yeah. The questions about the passions are there in the prologue, but Maximus does not answer them all now one by one. He answers them by way of interpreting these biblical texts, which is what Thalassius wanted. So it’s a very complicated kind of typically Maximian sort of project. But the questions themselves are now these difficult biblical texts. So question six, if according to St. John, quote, he who is born of God does not sin because God’s seed is in him and he cannot sin. And if he who is born of water and spirit is himself born of God, then how are we who are born of God through baptism still able to sin? So this is a classic dilemma. You find two passages in scripture that seem to contradict each other. These, by the way, are both from the Johannine writings, from the Gospel of John and from the First Letter of John. So how is it possible that the same author seems to be saying two contradictory things? How can he say in 1 John 3, 9, He who is born of God does not sin, does not sin because God… and he cannot sin. But then he said, and this is a reference to baptism, but then he who is born of water and spirit is himself born of God, right? So then, how are we who are born of God through baptism still able to sin? That’s a good question. That’s a good question, right? And we’ll read through the answer. I don’t think it’ll require a whole lot of comment. I might stop in a couple of places, but tonight we’ll be just hearing more of the words of St. Maximus as much as we can. And it’s not a very long answer. It says, the Answer. The mode of our birth from God is twofold. The first bestows the entire grace of adoption on those born of God, but only in potential. The second ushers in this grace as entirely present in actuality. What was only in potential is now fully actualized, right? Transforming voluntarily the entire free choice of the one being born so that it conforms to God who gives birth. The first possesses the grace of adoption present in potential through faith alone. But the second, in addition to faith, produces through knowledge the actual divine likeness of the God who is known in the one who knows him. In those whom the first mode of birth is observed, it happens that, because the disposition of their will has not yet been fully extracted from its passionate fixation with the flesh, and because they have not been completely imbued by the spirit with the active participation in the divine mysteries that have taken place, their inclination to sin is never very far away, for the simple reason that they continue to will it. There’s a horribly long subordinate clause in there that’s a good example of Maximian diction. We’ll go over this again just to make sure we’ve got it. We’ll leave out the material between the dashes, so we’ll get the core idea, and then we’ll fill in the blanks. In those whom the first mode of birth is observed, it happens that their inclination to sin is never very far away for the simple reason that they continue to will it. And then he says, why does that happen? Because their will has not yet been fully removed or separated from its passionate fixation with the flesh and the things of the world. And because they have not yet been completely imbued or filled by the spirit with the active participation in the divine mysteries. He means baptism. They’ve participated in the sacrament, but they have not been completely imbued with all of the operations and the activities that are available and potential. Okay. In an actual way. So continuing. For the spirit does not give birth to a disposition of the will without the consent of that will. But to the extent that the will is willing, he transforms and divinizes it. Whoever has shared in this deification through experience and knowledge. And here’s the really powerful thing here. Whoever has shared in this experience now is incapable of reverting from what he once truly and precisely became cognizant of in actual deed to something else besides this, which merely pretends to be the same thing. No more than the eye, once it has seen the sun, could ever mistake it for the moon or any of the other stars in the heavens. In those, on the other hand, undergoing the second mode of birth, this is the one where the potential is actualized now, the Holy Spirit takes the whole of their free choice and transposes it completely from earth to heaven and, through true knowledge realized in actual deed, refashions the intellect, the mind, with the blessed beams of light of God the Father so that it is deemed another God experiencing saying through a state obtained by grace, that which God does not experience, but simply is according to his essence. This is Maximus’ way of talking about becoming a son of God by grace and not by nature. In them, their free choice clearly becomes sinless in conformity with their state of virtue and knowledge, and thus they are unable to negate what they have become cognizant of through actual experience. So even if we should possess the spirit of adoption, who is a life-giving seed that bestows the likeness of the sower upon those who are born of it, but do not offer him a disposition of the will pure of any propensity or inclination towards something else, we will, as a result, willingly sin even after being born through water and the spirit. But if, to the contrary, we were to prepare the disposition of our will to receive in knowledge the operations of the water and spirit, then, through our sort of practical asceticism, the mystical water would cleanse our conscience and the life-creating spirit would actualize in us the unchanging perfection of the good through knowledge acquired in experience. What is lacking, therefore, in each of us who is still able to sin, is the unequivocal desire to surrender our whole selves in the disposition of our will to the Spirit. That’s just two paragraphs, right? You could sit and think about that for days, right? And I was surprised when I first read this because the New Testament translation that I had in English didn’t have the word seed. It said he has God’s nature in him, which struck me as odd. But the Greek word is not even sporos, like spor, it’s sperma. It’s seed, which only makes sense because the context is one of giving birth and being born. What else could it be? It’s a seed. And the image of the seed is so powerful. You can take a seed. The seed contains, let’s say, the whole oak tree, right? But the oak tree is not going to come out of the seed unless the conditions are right. I could take a seed, an oak seed or something else. Let’s up the ante. A sequoia seed, okay? And I could put it on the surface of the lectern here, and I could leave it there how long? A day, two days, a month, a year, five years, ten years? Is it going to sprout? Is it going to germinate? Never. That could be the seed of the Holy Spirit. The grace, the gift of the Holy Spirit that was given to me in my baptism has been lying dormant within me my whole life. It’s not going to go against, it’s not going to override my free will. It’s not going to transform a will that is unwilling. It’s waiting for me to cultivate it. It’s waiting for me to turn to it. There are these great stories about ancient seeds that have been discovered in Egyptian tombs, and more grossly, from cantaloupes eaten by Chinese women that were mummified thousands of years ago. Scientists love to do this sort of thing. Those seeds that are thousands of years old, that have been lying in the dark and the dust and among the graves. Scientists have actually been able to germinate them. So the seed never dies. That gift never goes away. Even if you actively try to remove it from yourself. But it won’t do anything without our consent or our free will or our desire. So it’s that simple. It’s that simple and it’s that difficult.

我们需要休息一下吗? 你们看起来不太焦躁。好的。好吧。我们继续讲一点,也许之后会休息一下。好的。那么现在我们面对的是…… 顺便说一下,有65个问题。我说过有65段圣经经文。正如你们所见,其中一些得到了非常简短的回答。有些则长达…… 几十页,所以整体上这是一部非常庞大的作品。为了节省时间,我们不看第五个问题了,但你们手头有,可以自己研读。让我们从第六个问题开始。顺便说一下,这部作品叫《致撒拉修的问题》(The Questions to Thalassius)。这个名字有点名不副实。它应该叫《致撒拉修的回答》(The Answers to Thalassius)。 但这个名字保留了下来,并成为了惯例,所以就这么叫了。但它实际上是“回答”。那么第六个问题,这是第六个。是的,神父。 嗯,是的,这是一种宽容的说法,对吧?但这些问题实际上就是圣经经文。 完全正确,是的。关于情欲的问题在序言中,但马克西姆并没有逐一回答它们。他通过解释这些圣经经文来回答,这正是撒拉修所希望的。所以这是一个非常复杂的、典型的马克西姆式的项目。但现在这些问题本身变成了这些难懂的圣经经文。那么第六个问题,如果根据圣约翰所说,引文:“凡从上帝生的就不犯罪,因上帝的种子(seed)在他心里,他也不能犯罪。”如果从水和灵生的人本身就是从上帝生的,那么我们这些通过洗礼从上帝而生的人怎么还能犯罪呢?所以这是一个经典的困境。你在圣经中找到两段似乎相互矛盾的经文。顺便说一下,这两段都来自约翰著作,来自《约翰福音》和《约翰一书》。 那么同一位作者怎么可能说出两件相互矛盾的事呢?他怎么能在《约翰一书》3章 9节说,凡从上帝生的就不犯罪,不犯罪是因为上帝……他也不能犯罪。 但随后他又说,这是指洗礼,从水和灵生的人本身就是从上帝生的,对吧?那么,我们这些通过洗礼从上帝而生的人怎么还能犯罪呢?这是一个好问题。这是一个好问题,对吧? 我们将通读这个回答。我认为这不需要太多的评论。我可能会在几个地方停下来,但今晚我们将尽可能多地聆听圣马克西姆的话语。这个回答并不长。上面写着:回答。我们从上帝生的模式是双重的。第一种将收养的恩典全部赐予那些从上帝而生的人,但仅仅是潜能。第二种将这种恩典作为完全存在于实现中的状态引入。曾经只是潜能的东西现在完全实现了,对吧?自愿地转变受生者的整个自由选择,使其与赐予生命的上帝相一致。 第一种通过唯独信心而拥有存在于潜能中的收养恩典。但第二种,除了信心之外,还通过知识在认识上帝的人身上产生被认识的上帝的实际神圣样式。 在那些观察到第一种出生模式的人身上,会发生这样的情况:因为他们意志的倾向尚未完全从其对肉体的情欲固执中抽离出来,并且因为他们还没有被圣灵完全充满,以积极参与已经发生的神圣奥迹, 他们犯罪的倾向从未远离,原因很简单,他们继续愿意如此。这里有一个长得可怕的从句,是马克西姆措辞的一个好例子。我们将再过一遍,以确保我们理解了。 我们将省略破折号之间的材料,这样我们就能得到核心思想,然后我们再填补空白。 在那些观察到第一种出生模式的人身上,他们犯罪的倾向从未远离,原因很简单,他们继续愿意如此。 然后他说,为什么会这样?因为他们的意志尚未完全从其对肉体和世俗之物的情欲固执中移除或分离。并且因为他们还没有被圣灵完全充满,以积极参与神圣奥迹。他指的是洗礼。 他们参与了圣事,但他们还没有被完全充满所有可用和潜能的运作和活动。好的。以一种实际的方式。所以继续。因为圣灵不会在没有意志同意的情况下产生意志的倾向。 但只要意志愿意,他就会转变并神化它。 任何通过经历和知识分享过这种神化的人。这里有一件非常有力的事情。任何分享过这种经历的人现在都无法从他在实际行动中真正且准确地认识到的事物,退回到除了这之外仅仅假装是同一事物的其他东西上。 就像眼睛 一旦看到了太阳,就永远不会把它误认为是月亮或天空中任何其他星星一样。 另一方面,在那些经历第二种出生模式的人身上,也就是潜能现在被实现的人身上, 圣灵接管了他们全部的自由选择,并将其完全从地上转移到天上,并通过在实际行为中实现的真知识,用上帝圣父蒙福的光束重塑理智、心灵,使其被视为另一位上帝,通过恩典获得的状态体验着说,上帝不体验,但根据其本质所是的事物。 这是马克西姆谈论借着恩典而非本性成为上帝之子的方式。 在他们身上,他们的自由选择明显地变得无罪,与他们的美德和知识状态相一致,因此他们无法否定他们通过实际经历所认识到的事物。 因此,即使我们拥有收养之灵,他是赐予生命的种子,将播种者的样式赐予从他而生的人,但如果我们不向他提供一种纯粹没有任何对其他事物的倾向或好恶的意志倾向,结果就是,即使我们通过水和灵而生,我们也会心甘情愿地犯罪。 但相反,如果我们准备我们意志的倾向,在知识中接受水和灵的运作,那么,通过我们这种实际的苦修, 奥迹的水将洗净我们的良知,赐予生命的灵将通过在经历中获得的知识,在我们身上实现善的不变完美。 因此,在我们每个仍然能够犯罪的人身上所缺乏的,是明确渴望在意志的倾向中将我们整个自我向圣灵降服。 这只是两段话,对吧?你可以坐下来想上好几天,对吧?我第一次读到这个时很惊讶,因为我手头的英文新约译本里没有“种子”这个词。它说他里面有上帝的本性,这让我觉得很奇怪。但希腊文单词甚至不是sporos,像spor,而是sperma。它是种子,这才有意义,因为上下文是关于生育和出生的。还能是什么呢?是种子。而且种子的意象是如此强大。 你可以拿一粒种子。 种子包含了,比方说,整棵橡树,对吧? 但除非条件合适,否则橡树是不会从种子里长出来的。 我可以拿一粒种子,橡树种子或其他什么。让我们加大难度。一粒红杉种子,好吗?我可以把它放在这里的讲台表面上, 我可以把它留在那里多久?一天,两天,一个月,一年,五年,十年? 它会发芽吗?它会发芽吗?永远不会。 那可能是圣灵的种子。我在洗礼中得到的圣灵的恩典、礼物,在我的一生中一直休眠在我体内。 它不会违背,它不会凌驾于我的自由意志之上。它不会转变一个不情愿的意志。它在等我去培育它。它在等我转向它。 有一些关于在埃及陵墓中发现的古老种子的精彩故事,更夸张的是, 还有几千年前被制成木乃伊的中国妇女吃过的哈密瓜里的种子。科学家喜欢做这种事情。那些有数千年历史的种子,一直躺在黑暗、尘土和坟墓之中。 科学家们实际上已经能够让它们发芽了。 所以种子永远不会死。那份礼物永远不会消失。即使你主动试图将它从自己身上移除。 但如果没有我们的同意、我们的自由意志或我们的渴望,它就不会起任何作用。就这么简单。 就这么简单,也这么困难。

By Father Maximus Simonopetridis. Lecture 8. The Theology of St. Maximus. Questions of Thalassios, Part 2. I’m very blessed because I spend most of my time reading things like this. My area of specialization is the Church Fathers, and this is what I do. This is what I spend my time reading, and they said that the study of the Church Fathers is the one discipline or the one line of work that a person can go into from which they will never regret. They might regret becoming a mathematician or a dentist, but never a student of the church fathers. And frankly, I read things like this and I find it hard to imagine how an ordinary human being could have actually done this. Where does this intelligence come from? Where does this insight come from? Where does this clarity come from? It’s deeply human on the one hand, but at the same time, it just seems so beyond, right? So when we talked about the church fathers on the first night, one of the things I stressed was that not only did the church fathers have, especially someone like St. Maximus, he had this prodigious education, one of the most, almost unusually educated in his own era. Not only that, but then he had the grace of God, he had holiness. So… His mind was illumined by God’s grace, and he was able to make use of the language and the concepts. So most of the time I just sit back and I marvel at it. I mean, you have to say glory to God that, what is the phrase that we use on the feast day, right? Thav mastoso theos, and visai Yisuf. God is wondrous in his saints, right? Anyway, okay. I really like question five, which we skipped. I think question 11 is a really good one too, because it’s this somewhat obscure passage in Jude that talks about the demons. But again, in the interest of time, you have it. It’s not complicated. You can read it on your own. I’d like to go to question 15. And again, I’m not going to read this. I’ll paraphrase it. But it’s a very important question because it talks about the activity of the Holy Spirit outside the church. And this is a sort of a disputed question these days, because there are some people who call themselves theologians, even orthodox ones, who want to argue that, well, God is everywhere, and the Holy Spirit is active everywhere, including outside of the church, and who are we to say that the Hindus and the Buddhists and the Muslims and whatever else is out there are, right? And it’s a very liberal kind of argument, and I don’t see any ground to make this… kind of argument based on Orthodox theology. And one of these individuals said St. Maximus the Confessor teaches this. And I thought, really? I mean, where does he say that? And they said, oh, question 15. And I was, without having read it at that point, I was absolutely convinced that this person was mistaken. And sure enough, they were. Because, we won’t go through this, but it’s a simple text, you can read it on your own. But we’ll look at the question, because that’s important. The question is, what does scripture mean when it says, Your incorruptible spirit is present in all things. Present in all things, right? And for this reason, you progressively correct those who trespass. But if it says this about the Holy Spirit, how can this be reconciled with, quote, wisdom will not enter into a foolish heart and will not dwell in a body enslaved by sins? I have noted this, Thalassius says, because the first passage says the Spirit is unconditionally present in all things, right? Well, Maximus goes on to say basically that the Holy Spirit is active outside the church, actively working to bring people into the church, right? The Holy Spirit is not working in the Hindus or the Buddhists to confirm them in their Hinduism or their Buddhism. What would be the point in that? He outlines three sort of categories, and he says those people who are totally outside of God’s work in history, people who don’t know Christ, he says these people have the spirit through the natural law. He’s following Paul here, Romans chapter 1, and he talks about how the spirit works through these people. He talks about some of the results. Then the second category are the people of Israel, because the Holy Spirit is present in them, but in another way, because they have scripture, they have revelation. So the Holy Spirit has a different activity, a different operation in them. And then he talks about the baptized, just like we saw a moment ago. And here again, he distinguishes two categories of people. People who have received the grace of the Holy Spirit and who do nothing with it, and those who have received. And so, it’s a great text and it’s an important text. And much of what we heard from the other speakers over the last couple of days touched on it in different ways. And I was happy to see that it’s very much in line with what we have here. So you have this. And we’ll move on now because the last one, 21, is quite an extraordinary piece.

由马克西姆·西蒙诺佩特里迪斯神父主讲。 第八讲。圣马克西姆的神学。撒拉修问题,第二部分。 我非常有福,因为我把大部分时间都花在阅读这类东西上。我的专业领域是教父,这就是我的工作。这就是我花时间阅读的内容,他们说,研究教父是一个人可以从事的唯一一门学科或唯一一行工作,从事这门工作的人永远不会后悔。他们可能会后悔成为数学家或牙医,但绝不会后悔成为教父的学生。坦白说,我读到这样的东西,很难想象一个普通人怎么能真正写出这些。 这种智慧从何而来?这种洞见从何而来?这种清晰从何而来?一方面它极具人性,但同时又显得如此超越,对吧?所以当我们在第一天晚上谈论教父时,我强调的一点是,教父们不仅拥有——特别是像圣马克西姆这样的人——他受过惊人的教育,是他那个时代受教育程度最高的人之一, 几乎是异常地受过教育。不仅如此,他还拥有上帝的恩典,他拥有圣洁。所以……他的心智被上帝的恩典所光照,他能够运用这些语言和概念。所以大多数时候我只是坐下来惊叹。我的意思是,你不得不说荣耀归于上帝, 我们在节日里用的那句短语是什么来着?Thav mastoso theos, and visai Yisuf。上帝在他的圣徒中是奇妙的,对吧?不管怎样,好吧。 我很喜欢第五个问题,我们跳过了它。我认为第11个问题也非常好,因为它涉及《犹大书》中一段有些晦涩的关于恶魔的经文。但同样,为了节省时间,你们手头有。这并不复杂。你们可以自己读。我想进入第15个问题。同样,我不会读这段。我会转述一下。但这是一个非常重要的问题,因为它谈论的是圣灵在教会之外的活动。 如今这是一个有点争议的问题,因为有一些自称神学家的人,甚至是东正教的神学家,想要争辩说,嗯,上帝无处不在,圣灵在各处运行,包括在教会之外,我们凭什么说印度教徒、佛教徒、穆斯林以及其他什么宗教的信徒是对的呢?这是一种非常自由派的论调,我看不出有任何理由可以做出这种…… 基于东正教神学的论调。其中一个人说认信者圣马克西姆教导了这一点。我心想,真的吗?我的意思是,他在哪里这么说了?他们说,哦,第15个问题。当时我还没读过,但我绝对确信这个人弄错了。果不其然,他们确实弄错了。因为,我们不会通读这段,但这是一个简单的文本,你可以自己读。但我们会看看这个问题,因为那很重要。问题是,圣经说“你那不朽的灵存在于万物之中”是什么意思。存在于万物之中,对吧?正因如此,你逐步纠正那些过犯者。 但如果这是关于圣灵说的,这怎么能与“智慧不会进入愚昧的心,也不会住在被罪奴役的身体里”这句话相调和呢?撒拉修说,我注意到这一点,因为第一段经文说圣灵无条件地存在于万物之中,对吧?嗯,马克西姆接着基本上是说,圣灵在教会之外运行,积极做工将人们带入教会,对吧?圣灵并没有在印度教徒或佛教徒中运行以确认他们的印度教或佛教。那样做有什么意义呢? 他概述了三个类别,他说那些完全处于上帝在历史中的作为之外的人, 那些不认识基督的人,他说这些人通过自然律拥有圣灵。他在这里跟随保罗,《罗马书》第1章,他谈到圣灵如何通过这些人做工。他谈到了一些结果。然后第二类是以色列人,因为圣灵在他们里面,但以另一种方式, 因为他们有圣经,他们有启示。所以圣灵在他们里面有不同的事工,不同的运作。然后他谈到受洗的人,就像我们刚才看到的那样。在这里,他再次区分了两类人。那些领受了圣灵的恩典却无所作为的人,以及那些领受了的人。所以,这是一个很棒的文本,也是一个重要的文本。过去几天我们从其他讲者那里听到的许多内容都以不同的方式触及了这一点。我很高兴看到它与我们在这里的讨论非常一致。所以你们有这个。现在我们要继续往下讲,因为最后一个,第21个,是一篇相当非凡的作品。

It’s two pages, but… It contains so much and it is so rich and we want to go through it a little carefully. And I’m going to erase this, so last chance for anybody to… Now here’s where we need to recall what I said earlier about passions and passivity and blameless passions and blameworthy passions because they all come up here. We need to add one more item though to our kind of vocabulary here. And there is a play on two Greek words that are closely related. The one is YENESIS, which is the Septuagint word for the book of Genesis. YENESIS, Genesis. And then there’s a closely related Greek word Yenesis, notice it has two N’s, or knees, and an ETA, something like this, right? Genesis and Yenesis and Yenesis, they sound almost alike. Now Genesis really means sort of origin, beginning, creative origin, that’s how it gets used in this text. This means biological birth, right? So there are… This is kind of coming into being, coming into being, or an origin of something in a more general sense. This is coming to being in a biological sense, right? Birth, procreation, reproduction, right? This is, I mean, creation comes into being. Creation isn’t literally birthed out of a womb, right? It’s brought into being out of, it’s given existence, it’s brought into being out of nothing. This is biological birth. One body giving birth to another, giving birth to another, and so on, okay? So that’s just the distinction we need to know before we enter into the text. So the problematic passages from Colossians. What is the meaning of he stripped off the principalities and authorities? And how was he able to put them on when he was begotten without sin? Now, I might have to say a little more about this verse from Colossians because some of us might not know it or it might not be familiar. And this is a very enigmatic verse from Colossians where I had my New Testament here, it’s in my bag, where Christ is described as stripping the principalities and the authorities which seem to be demonic forces. These are the same names for angels, but here they’re clearly fallen angels. So Colossians says Christ stripped them. made a spectacle of them on the cross. This is the same passage where it talks about and he nailed, and it’s a difficult word to translate, the bond of our indebtedness. The Greek word is hierographon, chirograph. It means a handwritten document. Right? So, it says that Christ took this bond, this contract that was somehow against us, this bond of indebtedness that we had, and he nailed it to the cross. This same verse, by the way, this same idea occurs in ecclesiastical literature, in the Akathist hymn, and he tore the bond of sins, and we sing Alleluia. It’s at the end of one of the stanzas. So, what on earth is that? What is this bond of indebtedness that Christ nails to the cross, and what are these powers and principalities that he has stripped? And then it says, how could he have put them on when he was begotten without sin? Now, I guess it’s time. There’s actually a lot of rabbinical and early Christian… Sure, sure. And why don’t you read it? Because that’s the deacon’s job, isn’t it? No good deed will go unholy. Which verse is this? It’s 15, let me see. Okay. Yeah, okay. You have a nice voice now. And you, being dead in your sins, in the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses. blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Okay. The Greek is, what did it say about spoiling the principalities? Spoiling. The Greek is apekevisas, it means to strip them. As if removing a garment from them. I think I wouldn’t want to leave the Bible like that, but here, I’ll just take it and put it here. So it’s a very odd, a very obscure, a very kind of enigmatic text, and it’s kind of an exegetical challenge. And there’s a lot we could say about it, but maybe to give it a little bit more context, I’ll share with you some very interesting rabbinical and early Christian traditions about this bond, this chirograph. These go back to these sort of apocryphal works known as the life of Adam and Eve. There are different versions of them. There’s actually a text known as the life of Adam and Eve, like a saint’s life, tells their story. And, of course, after Adam and Eve are exiled from the garden, they’re outside the gates of paradise, the doors are locked, they’re outside, they realize now, boy, we made a big mistake. And then things start to get worse because the sky starts to get dark. And they have never seen that before. Imagine how terrifying this was for them to watch the sun setting. As the sun is going down, the devil appears, kind of in the guise of the city slicker or the carpetbagger. And he says, why are you so cast down? He says, well, we just got kicked out of paradise. That was bad enough. And now the lights are going out. Oh, I can take care of that. Right. Pulls out and makes a deal with Adam. The devil promises to return, bring the light back after a few hours if Adam signs this contract. And the contract is to place all of his descendants under the authority of this figure, the devil. Adam doesn’t know it’s the devil. Until such time as the unbegotten is begotten and the undead dies. The devil thinks that’s a sure proof kind of a clause, right? The unbegotten will never be begotten, and the undead will never die, but of course that’s all, that’s Christ. The devil has no idea that he’s included in the very contract its own undoing. There’s a further tradition that they’ve got no paper, so the devil pulls out his pen, they’ve got no ink, and he tells Adam to put his hand out, and the devil runs the pen across the palm, and that’s where the lines on our hands come from. We all kind of bear the marks of… they’re actually monasteries in Moldavia in Romania where this story is illustrated with Adam and the devil and the contract and all of that. There’s a lot more to this story. These are, by the way, I should be very clear, this is not the theology of the Orthodox Church. This is not doctrine or dogma. This is more on the level of sort of folklore. These are popular tales but the key, the common element here, is the chirograph, is that bond, that handwritten document, that bond of indebtedness. So, whatever Paul is referencing here seems to be related to these Jewish and Christian traditions about Adam and Eve. What else could this bond be that Christ has taken and nailing to the cross. I’ll leave that up there. So a little bit of background. Let’s get to the text now.

这是两页,但是… 它包含了很多内容,非常丰富,我们想稍微仔细地过一遍。 我要擦掉这个了,所以这是大家最后的机会来… 现在这里我们需要回想我之前说过的关于情欲、被动性、无可指责的情欲和应受指责的情欲,因为它们都在这里出现了。不过,我们需要在这里的词汇表中再添加一个项目。这里有两个密切相关的希腊语单词的双关语。一个是 YENESIS,这是七十士译本中《创世记》一书的词。YENESIS,创世记。然后有一个密切相关的希腊语单词 Yenesis, 注意它有两个N,或者膝盖,还有一个ETA, 大概是这样的, 对吧?Genesis和Yenesis和Yenesis,它们听起来几乎一样。现在Genesis真正的意思是某种起源、开始、创造性的起源,这就是它在这段文本中的用法。这指的是生物学上的出生, 对吧?所以有…这是一种产生,产生,或者更一般意义上的某事物的起源。这是在生物学意义上的产生,对吧?出生, 繁殖,生殖,对吧?这是,我的意思是,受造物产生了。受造物并不是字面上从子宫里生出来的,对吧?它是被带入存在,它被赋予存在,它是从无到有被带入存在的。这是生物学上的出生。一个身体生出另一个,生出另一个,等等,好吗?所以这只是我们在进入文本之前需要知道的区分。所以是歌罗西书中那段有问题的经文。他脱去执政的和掌权的,这是什么意思? 当他无罪被生时,他怎么能穿上它们呢?现在,我可能需要多讲一点歌罗西书的这节经文,因为我们中有些人可能不知道或者不熟悉它。这是歌罗西书中一节非常晦涩的经文,我的新约就在这里,在我的包里,其中描述基督脱去了执政的和掌权的,这似乎是魔鬼的力量。这些是天使的相同名字,但在这里它们显然是堕落的天使。所以歌罗西书说基督脱去了它们。 在十字架上公然羞辱它们。这是同一段经文,其中谈到他钉了,这是一个很难翻译的词,我们欠债的债券。希腊语单词是hierographon,chirograph。意思是手写的文件。对吧?所以,它说基督拿走了这个债券,这个不知怎么对我们不利的契约,这个我们拥有的欠债债券,并把它钉在十字架上。顺便说一下,这同一节经文,同样的想法出现在教会文献中,在弗座词中,他撕碎了罪的债券,我们唱阿肋路亚。它在一首颂歌的结尾。 那么,这到底是什么?基督钉在十字架上的这个欠债债券是什么,他脱去的这些掌权和执政的又是什么?然后它说,当他无罪被生时,他怎么能穿上它们呢?现在, 我想是时候了。 实际上有很多拉比和早期基督教的… 当然,当然。 你为什么不读一下呢?因为那是辅祭的工作,不是吗? 没有善行会不圣洁。 这是哪一节? 是15,让我看看。 好的。 是的,好的。你现在的声音很好听。 你们从前在过犯和未受割礼的肉体中死了,神赦免了你们一切过犯,便叫你们与基督一同活过来,又涂抹了在律例上所写、攻击我们、有碍于我们的字据,把它撤去,钉在十字架上。既将一切执政的、掌权的掳来,明显给众人看,就仗着十字架夸胜。 好的。希腊语是,它关于掳去执政的说了什么? 掳去。 希腊语是apekevisas,意思是脱去它们。就像从它们身上脱下一件衣服。我不想把圣经留成那样,不过在这里,我就把它拿过来放在这里。 所以这是一段非常奇怪、非常晦涩、非常令人费解的文本,有点像释经上的挑战。关于它我们可以谈很多,但也许为了给它多一点背景,我将与你们分享一些关于这个债券,这个亲笔信的非常有趣的拉比和早期基督教传统。这些可以追溯到那些被称为《亚当和夏娃生平》的次经作品。它们有不同的版本。实际上有一本被称为《亚当和夏娃生平》的文本,就像圣徒传一样,讲述了他们的故事。而且, 当然,在 亚当和夏娃被逐出乐园之后,他们在天堂门外,门锁上了,他们在门外,他们现在意识到,天哪,我们犯了一个大错误。然后事情开始变得更糟,因为天空开始变暗。 他们以前从未见过这种情况。 想象一下他们看着太阳落山时有多可怕。当太阳下山时,魔鬼出现了,有点像城里滑头或投机分子的伪装。他说,你们为什么这么沮丧?他说,嗯,我们刚被踢出天堂。那已经够糟了。现在灯又要灭了。 哦,我能解决这个问题。对。他拿出东西并与亚当达成了一笔交易。 魔鬼承诺会回来,如果亚当签下这份契约,几个小时后就会把光带回来。契约的内容是将他所有的后代都置于这个人物,即魔鬼的权柄之下。亚当不知道那是魔鬼。直到那未生的被生出,未死的死去。魔鬼认为这是一个万无一失的条款,对吧?未生的永远不会被生出,未死的永远不会死,但当然,那全都是指基督。魔鬼根本不知道他在契约中包含了它自身的毁灭。还有一个传统是他们没有纸,所以魔鬼拿出他的笔,他们没有墨水,他让亚当伸出手,魔鬼用笔划过手掌,这就是我们手上掌纹的来源。我们都带着…的印记。实际上在 罗马尼亚的摩尔达维亚,有修道院用亚当、魔鬼和契约等故事来作画。这个故事还有很多内容。顺便说一下,我应该非常清楚,这不是东正教的神学。这不是教义或教条。这更多是民间传说的层面。这些是流行故事,但这里的关键,共同元素,是亲笔信,是那个债券,那个手写文件,那个欠债债券。所以,无论保罗在这里引用的是什么,似乎都与这些关于亚当和夏娃的犹太和基督教传统有关。基督拿走并钉在十字架上的这个债券还能是什么呢。我会把它留在那里。 所以这是一点背景。现在让我们进入文本。

So what does all this mean? The divine word, clothing himself in human nature without altering his divinity, and becoming perfect man in every way like us but without sin, possessed the first Adam in himself. And here it gets a little tricky, but we’ll explain it. He possessed the first Adam in himself both through the manner of his creaturely origin, that’s the Genesis, creaturely origin, right? He possessed Adam in himself both through the manner of his creaturely origin and through the manner of his birth. I mean this in the sense that the first man, Adam, having received his being from God, was, with respect to the manner of his creaturely origin, that’s the Genesis again, free from corruption and sin, for neither corruption nor sin were created together with him. Alright, let’s, we can’t go on until we unpack this a little bit. So, Maximus is saying that Christ has Adam in him. Christ clothes himself in human nature and has Adam in him, but in a special way, because he assumes Adam’s… I’m sorry, we’ll go to the second sentence. So, because Adam was created by God, Adam was brought into being by God, that’s his creaturely origin. Adam’s origin as a creature is to have been brought into existence, generated, genesis by God. And he was free from corruption and free from sin, because God did not create Adam to be sinful. And God did not create Adam with corruption. So Adam’s genesis, Adam’s creaturely origin. Adam’s coming into being, his original coming into being, was without corruption and without sin. So, let’s just go read it again. He possessed the first Adam in himself, both through the manner of his creaturely origin and through the manner of his birth. I mean this in the sense that the first man, having received his being from God, was, with respect to the manner of his creaturely origin, free from corruption and sin. For neither corruption nor sin were created together with him. But when he sinned, this is Adam now, but when he sinned by breaking God’s commandment, he, Adam, was condemned to a manner of birth sustained by passion and sin, so that henceforth sin originates in the passibility, there’s that passivity, it’s the same word, in the passivity or passability associated with birth, as if by a kind of law, with respect to which no one is sinless. for all are subject by nature to the law of birth, introduced after man’s creaturely origin in consequence of his sin. So Adam comes into being. Adam is not born. Adam is created out of nothing. It’s his creaturely origin, and he is incorruptible, and he is sinless. But then Adam falls, and it’s after the fall that we see biological reproduction and procreation. Before the fall, there is no… biological reproduction or procreation. That’s something that arises after the fall. So Maximus distinguishes these two moments. There’s this coming into being of Adam, but then there’s this thing that comes after called birth. Adam came into existence according to one sort of mode, but after Adam we all come into existence through a very different kind of mode now. We don’t have a creaturely origin out of nothing. We have an origin that is a biological, physical, reproductive one, right? Adam didn’t have a belly button, we do. Yeah, this is what some church fathers say. It’s not in this text and it would be a little too complicated to get into that now. Gregory of Nyssa and even Maximus and others do say that. They say, had there not been a fall, there was actually some other way that humanity was going to multiply. That’s very speculative. They say that, though. But what he’s saying now, he’s simply reflecting on the text of Scripture, where we have Adam coming into being from the hands of God, sinless and incorruptible, not through biological birth. And then after the fall we have the rise or the appearance of biological birth. And we draw attention to a couple of things in this first paragraph. But when he sinned, Adam, when Adam sinned by breaking God’s commandment, he was condemned to a manner of birth sustained by passion and sin. Again, because that biological desire, there it is. And with that desire is pleasure. And the pleasure can lead to sin. And we’re all adults here, we know that. A lot of things get connected to, again, the desire for, the need for food becomes gluttony, and the need to physically reproduce becomes something else. It’s just that simple, right? So the passivity is part of it now, and this new biological mode of birth is conditioned, in a sense, by passion and sin. So that henceforth, sin originates in the passibility associated with birth. I spoke about that earlier, that the blameless passions become the foundation for, or can be exploited in a sense, to become these blameworthy passions. And as if by a kind of law, with respect to which no one is sinless, for all are subject by nature to the law of birth, introduced after man’s creaturely origin in consequence of his sin. Is that clear enough at least? I won’t ask you if it’s clear, but okay. It gets a little clearer. Since, therefore, sin appeared through the transgression and because of sin the passability or the passivity associated with birth entered human nature so that through sin the original transgression continued to thrive together with the passability associated with birth there was no hope of freedom since human nature was bound in the disposition of its will by an indissoluble bond of evil the passivity and the sin had been introduced into human nature, human life, and the longer we lived and the more life went on, I mean, the greater power those things gained over us. The past, the blameless passions became more and more blameworthy, and it was a vicious cycle, right? We’re born into a world, you know, we’re born into a world that’s corrupted, and the mind now is somehow weakened, the will is weakened and bound in this situation. And to continue. The more human nature hastened to sustain itself through the process of birth, the more tightly it bound itself to the law of sin. Insofar as nature’s very passability or passivity reactivated the transgression within it. For in possessing, by virtue of its natural condition, the increase of sin within its very passability, human, so in other words, human nature, by being passive or being passable, contained within itself the possibility for sin. Because that was the case, because we now acquired these passive, passable, sin-prone sort of features, because we had that in our nature now, human nature came to possess the activities of all the opposing powers, i.e. the demons. All the opposing powers, principalities, and authorities. Those are the folks from Colossians 2.15. Why? On account of the universal sin inherent in human passability. And these principalities and authorities are operating through unnatural passions concealed under the guise of natural passions. It’s basically a more complex way of describing what I laid out on the board for you earlier. Because we’re subject to passivity and these blameless passions, hunger, thirst, desire, etc. This becomes the place where the demons work on us. And under the guise, well, it’s just a little food, right? I just need a little, right? It’s only that, right? Under the guise of these natural blameless passions, we are led into blameworthy states of serious passion. Father? Yeah? Fecis. Fecis. Yeah. From whence physiology and physics and physiotherapy and so on, okay, metaphysics. All right, so operating through unnatural passions concealed under the guise of the natural passions. Through the unnatural passions and by exploiting nature’s passability, every evil power is actively at work, driving the inclination of the will by means of the natural passions into the corruption of unnatural passions. It’s good to know that those natural passions can get us into trouble. That’s where we have to exercise vigilance, right? Now, that’s the human situation. That’s the human situation. There was the coming into being of Adam from the hand of God, which was incorruptible and sinless. Then there was the biological mode of birth, which had passivity and sin involved in it. That’s where we were at. That was the human condition. Now, 21.4.

那么这一切意味着什么呢? 神圣的道, 穿上人的本性而不改变他的神性, 在各方面都像我们一样成为完全的人,只是没有罪, 在他自己里面拥有了第一个亚当。 这里有点复杂,但我们会解释清楚。他通过他受造起源的方式在自己里面拥有了第一个亚当,也就是《创世记》里的受造起源,对吧?他通过受造起源的方式和出生的方式在自己里面拥有了亚当。 我的意思是,第一个人,亚当,从上帝那里领受了他的存在, 就其受造起源的方式而言,也就是《创世记》里说的,是没有败坏和罪的, 因为败坏和罪都不是与他一起被造的。好吧,在我们稍微展开讲一下之前,我们无法继续。所以,马克西姆是说基督里面有亚当。基督穿上人的本性,里面有亚当,但以一种特殊的方式,因为他承担了亚当的……抱歉,我们看第二句。 所以, 因为亚当是上帝创造的,亚当是由上帝带入存在的,这就是他的受造起源。亚当作为受造物的起源是由上帝带入存在、生成、创世的。 他没有败坏,也没有罪,因为上帝创造亚当并不是让他有罪。上帝也没有带着败坏创造亚当。所以亚当的创世,亚当的受造起源。亚当的产生,他最初的存在,是没有败坏和罪的。所以,让我们再读一遍。他在自己里面拥有了第一个亚当,既通过他受造起源的方式,也通过他出生的方式。我的意思是,第一个人从上帝那里领受了他的存在,就其受造起源的方式而言,是没有败坏和罪的。因为败坏和罪都不是与他一起被造的。 但是当他犯罪时,也就是亚当,当他因违背上帝的诫命而犯罪时,他,亚当,被判处了一种由情欲和罪维持的出生方式,以至于从此以后,罪就起源于与出生相关的受动性,也就是那种被动性,是同一个词,在与出生相关的被动性或受动性中,仿佛根据某种律法, 在这方面没有人是无罪的。因为所有人都按本性服从于出生的律法,这是在人受造起源之后因其罪而引入的。所以亚当是产生的。亚当不是出生的。 亚当是从无到有被造的。这是他的受造起源,他是不朽坏的,他是无罪的。但后来亚当堕落了, 正是在堕落之后,我们看到了生物繁殖和生育。在堕落之前,没有…… 生物繁殖或生育。那是堕落后才出现的事情。 所以马克西姆区分了这两个时刻。一个是亚当的产生,但随后出现了被称为出生的事情。亚当按照一种模式存在,但在亚当之后,我们现在都通过一种非常不同的模式存在。 我们没有从无到有的受造起源。我们的起源是生物的、物理的、繁殖的,对吧?亚当没有肚脐,我们有。 是的, 这是一些教父所说的。这不在本文中,现在讨论这个会有点太复杂。尼撒的格列高利甚至马克西姆和其他人确实这么说过。他们说,如果没有堕落,人类实际上会以其他方式繁衍。这非常具有推测性。不过他们确实这么说了。但他现在所说的,只是对圣经文本的反思, 在圣经中,亚当从上帝的手中产生,无罪且不朽坏,不是通过生物出生。 然后在堕落之后,我们看到了生物出生的兴起或出现。我们在第一段中注意到几件事。 但是当他犯罪时,亚当,当亚当因违背上帝的诫命而犯罪时,他被判处了一种由情欲和罪维持的出生方式。同样,因为那种生物欲望,就在这里。伴随着那种欲望的是快感。而快感会导致罪。我们在座的都是成年人,我们都知道这一点。很多事情都与 对食物的渴望和需求有关,这变成了贪食,而身体繁殖的需求变成了别的东西。就是这么简单,对吧?所以现在被动性是其中的一部分,而这种新的生物出生模式在某种意义上是由情欲和罪制约的。 以至于从此以后,罪起源于与出生相关的受动性。我之前讲过,那些无可指责的情欲成为了基础,或者在某种意义上可以被利用,成为这些应受谴责的情欲。仿佛根据某种律法,在这方面没有人是无罪的,因为所有人都按本性服从于出生的律法,这是在人受造起源之后因其罪而引入的。这至少够清楚了吗?我不会问你们是否清楚,但好吧。这会变得更清楚一点。 因此,既然 罪通过过犯出现,并且因为罪,与出生相关的受动性或被动性进入了人的本性,以至于通过罪,最初的过犯继续与出生相关的受动性一起滋长,就没有自由的希望了,因为人的本性在其意志的倾向中被邪恶的不可解之结所束缚,被动性和罪已经被引入人的本性、人类生活中,我们活得越久,生活越继续,我的意思是,那些东西对我们获得了越大的力量。过去, 无可指责的情欲变得越来越应受谴责,这是一个恶性循环,对吧?我们出生在一个世界里,你知道,我们出生在一个败坏的世界里,现在心灵在某种程度上被削弱了,意志被削弱并束缚在这种情况中。继续。人的本性越是急于通过出生的过程来维持自身,它就越是紧紧地将自己束缚在罪的律法上。因为本性本身的受动性或被动性重新激活了其中的过犯。因为凭借其自然条件,在其受动性中拥有罪的增加,人类,换句话说,人的本性,通过被动或受动, 在自身内包含了犯罪的可能性。 因为情况就是这样,因为我们现在获得了这些被动的、受动的、容易犯罪的特征,因为我们的本性中现在有了这些,人的本性开始拥有所有敌对势力的活动,即恶魔。所有敌对的势力、掌权的和有权势的。那些是《歌罗西书》2:15里的人。 为什么?因为人的受动性中固有的普遍之罪。 这些掌权的和有权势的通过伪装在自然情欲之下的非自然情欲来运作。这基本上是我早些时候在黑板上给你们描述的更复杂的方式。因为我们服从于被动性和这些无可指责的情欲,饥饿、口渴、欲望等。 这成为了恶魔在我们身上作工的地方。 在伪装下,嗯,只是一点食物,对吧?我只需要一点,对吧?只是那样,对吧?在这些自然的无可指责的情欲的伪装下,我们被引入了严重情欲的应受谴责的状态。神父? 是的? Fecis。Fecis。是的。 生理学、物理学、物理治疗等词由此而来,好吧,形而上学。 好了,所以通过伪装在自然情欲之下的非自然情欲来运作。通过非自然情欲并利用本性的受动性, 每一种邪恶的势力都在积极作工,通过自然的情欲将意志的倾向驱使到非自然情欲的败坏中。知道那些自然的情欲会让我们陷入麻烦是件好事。这就是我们必须保持警醒的地方,对吧? 现在,这就是人类的处境。这就是人类的处境。有亚当从上帝手中产生,那是不朽坏且无罪的。然后是生物出生的模式,其中涉及被动性和罪。这就是我们的处境。那就是人类的状况。现在看21.4。

In order to rescue human nature from this evil state of helplessness, the only begotten Son and Word of God in his love for mankind assumed the sinlessness but not the incorruption of Adam’s constitution according to his creaturely origin. Do you get it? Adam came into the world sinless and incorruptible. Christ took that. He took the sinless part of that. But not the incorruptible part. Because why do I say not the incorruptible part? Because he was able to die. If you’re incorruptible, you’re a beast. You can’t be destroyed. God didn’t create Adam to be destroyed. Adam was incorruptible, which means incapable of being destroyed and sinless. So Christ takes the sinlessness of that original Adam, but not the gift of Adam’s incorruptibility, because Christ was susceptible to the natural passions, first of all, but then even death itself. It’s a brilliant thing if you think about it, yes. That’s quite a way, quite a ways to go back, but go ahead. It refers to the incarnation, but it doesn’t mean that he possessed the actual historical figure of Adam inside his own body. It means the qualities or the conditions or the life of Adam. Right? Is the new Adam. Right? Okay. So, are we reasonably clear? I mean, it’s difficult, but if you think about it, actually, this is one of the few texts that goes so deeply into the theology of the Incarnation, and what the human predicament was, and what the Savior needed to be to extract us from that predicament. And it’s all very biblically based despite the complexity of Maximus’ expression. Was there a hand raised back there? People do try to draw comparisons between Maximus and Augustine, but he’s not actually saying that sin is passed on through seed. We’re almost certain that he didn’t know Augustine, so it’s not as if he’s correcting Augustine. But it’s not that the father somehow passes on sin to his children through the seed. It’s this condition of passivity and the sin that it gives rise to that is part of the universal human condition that is more responsible for not the classic Augustinian. I see a couple of other hands are up, but we don’t have a whole lot of time. We want to get through this. Please hold the questions until the end. All right. So he assumed the sinlessness, but not the incorruption of Adam’s constitution according to his creaturely origin. He also assumed the passability, the passivity, but not the sin from the birth that was subsequently introduced into human nature. So the creaturely origin, he took the sinlessness. From the biological birth, he took human passivity, but not the sin. Because he’s born without sin, Hebrews says that, and many other sources. So it’s a brilliant bringing together of these different moments and this figure of Adam and Christ and so on. All right, now. As I said a moment ago, Maximus says, it was in the passability, the passivity of Adam, that the wicked demons possessed their activities, concealed under the law of contingent human nature. Thus, it was only reasonable, this is probably better translated as it was only to be expected that on account of the flesh, on account of the fact that the word took human flesh, the demons saw in God the Savior the features of Adam’s passable nature. They thought he was like another Adam and thought that in this contingent state, he was necessarily a mere man subject to the law of nature and not moved by the decision of his will. They therefore assailed him. The demons saw Christ in flesh looking like Adam and they therefore assailed him. They attacked him, hoping that they might prevail even upon him through his natural passability. To form an image in his mind of an unnatural passion and act on it as they would. That’s what I said earlier about the things and the mental representations. They were trying to pressure Christ on the basis of his natural human passivity to generate an impassioned thought in his mind. I don’t want to get ahead of Maximus himself, because he explains it as we go on. But in his first experience of temptations by pleasures, this is Jesus being tempted in the desert now. In his first experience of temptations by pleasures, he allowed the demons to be mocked by their own tricks, and he stripped off their powers by expelling them from human nature. At the same time, he remained inaccessible and beyond their grasp, clearly winning victory over them, not for his sake, but for ours, because it was for us that he became man, and in his goodness offered to us the whole of what he accomplished. That’s such a great line. For he himself had no need to be tested by experience, since he is God and master and by nature free from all passions. Instead, by means of our temptations, the wicked power drew him into a fight. Thwarting it by his own attack, the wicked power that is, by his own attack, and putting to death the very power that expected to thwart him, just as it had thwarted Adam in the beginning. This then is how, in his initial experience of temptation, he put off the principalities and the powers that assailed him, removing them from human nature, healing the passion of pleasure. And I guess it’s because the devil is saying, he’s hungry, eat. He’s hungry in the desert. Okay, you can turn this bread into stone to satisfy the natural passion of… If you think back to the temptations, it’s all there. This is how he put them off, removed them from human nature, healed the passion of pleasure, and in himself, cancelling the bond of Adam’s voluntary ascent to the passions of pleasure. For it is by this bond, there it is again that bond, that man’s power of choice inclines toward wicked pleasure to his own disadvantage. For by his actions he tacitly proclaims his condition of domination, which on account of his fear of death prevents him from freeing himself from his subjugation to pleasure. Clear enough on the level of difficulty that we have here. Now, Christ has more work to do, having overcome and vanquished the powers, principalities, and authorities through this initial temptation by pleasure, the Lord allowed them to launch a second attack against him and to place before him the one remaining temptation. Probably trial or test is a better rendering there than my temptation here. One remaining test, namely that of pain and suffering. He dealt with the problem of pleasure in the desert. Now it’s the problem of pain to be dealt with, pain and suffering. His aim was to completely pour out through himself the corrupting poison of their wickedness, consuming it like fire and totally obliterating it from human nature. And he did this by utterly stripping off the principalities and authorities at the time of his death on the cross, not simply remaining impervious to his sufferings, but rather striking fear in the heart of death, thereby extracting from our nature the passions associated with pain. For because of man’s cowardice, the inclination of his will draws back from pain, and against his will he is constantly tyrannized by the fear of death, and so in his desire to live he clings to his slavery. It’s a pleasure. If you think back to that first text we read, Maximus believes that people do most things out of a desire for pleasure or out of a way to avoid pain. And this dialectic of pleasure and pain is the vicious cycle because we want pleasure, we want pleasant things, we pursue pleasure, we have pleasure, and then the pleasure always results in some kind of pain. I want to eat a lot of food, it looks really good. Big Thanksgiving dinner, I’m going to gorge myself, oh what pleasure then. Pepto-Bismol time or whatever. That’s a simple way to put it. Those of you who are familiar with the funeral service and the hymns by St. John of Damascus, what pleasure is there in this life? Piatu viutrifi via meni lipis ametokos. What pleasure or delight in this life does not partake in sorrow or pain in some way? Everything, everything, nothing lasts, nothing, think about your experiences and… There’s even the proverb, be careful what you wish for because you might get it and so on. So pleasure and pain, that’s the dialectic here. The pleasure is defeated, overcome in the temptations in the desert, and the fear of pain and death and suffering is overcome by Christ’s voluntary accepting the cross and suffering. And it gets even better still. Are we up to 21.7? So, the Lord stripped off the principalities and authorities at the time of his first experience of temptations in the desert, thereby healing the whole of human nature of the passion connected with pleasure. He despoiled them yet again at the time of his death. Likewise, removing from our nature the passion connected with pain, considering this accomplishment something that he, in his love of humanity, was accountable for. In other words, as if he was responsible for sin, he sort of took on our dilemma and as if it were his responsibility, as if he were accountable for it, or rather, in his goodness, he reckoned to us the glory of the accomplishment, of his accomplishment. Inasmuch as he assumed the passable, passive condition of our nature, like ours but without sin, by means of which every evil power and destructive force carried out its particular wickedness, he stripped them at the moment of his death. This is interesting. That is, when at the hour of his death the demons came to examine his soul as it was departing from his body, he triumphed over them and made a spectacle of them while on his cross. Because the evil powers could find nothing at all in the natural possibility of his human nature

为了将人的本性从这种无助的邪恶状态中拯救出来,上帝的独生子与道出于对人类的爱,按其受造的起源,承担了亚当体质的无罪,但没有承担其不朽坏。你们明白吗?亚当来到世上时是无罪且不朽坏的。基督取了那一点。他取了其中无罪的部分。但没有取不朽坏的部分。为什么我说没有取不朽坏的部分?因为他能够死去。如果你是不朽坏的,你就是个野兽。你无法被毁灭。 上帝创造亚当并不是为了让他被毁灭。亚当是不朽坏的,这意味着他不能被毁灭且是无罪的。所以基督取了那最初亚当的无罪,但没有取亚当不朽坏的恩赐, 因为基督容易受到 自然情欲的影响,首先是这样,然后甚至死亡本身。 如果你仔细想想,这是一件非常精妙的事情,是的。 这有点绕,绕了很大一圈,但请继续。 这指的是道成肉身,但这并不意味着他自己的身体里拥有亚当这个真实的历史人物。它指的是亚当的特质、状况或生命。 对吧? 是新亚当。对吧?好的。 那么,我们还算清楚吗?我的意思是,这很难,但如果你仔细想想,实际上,这是为数不多的深入探讨道成肉身神学、人类困境是什么,以及救主需要成为什么才能将我们从那个困境中解救出来的文本之一。尽管马克西姆的表达很复杂,但这全都有非常坚实的圣经基础。后面有人举手吗? 人们确实试图在马克西姆和奥古斯丁之间进行比较,但他实际上并没有说罪是通过种子遗传的。 我们几乎可以肯定他不认识奥古斯丁,所以这并不是说他在纠正奥古斯丁。但这并不是说父亲以某种方式通过种子将罪传给他的孩子。正是这种被动性的状况以及由此产生的罪,构成了普遍人类状况的一部分,这更应为此负责,而不是经典的奥古斯丁观点。我看到还有几个人举手,但我们没有太多时间了。我们想把这些讲完。 请把问题留到最后。好的。所以他按其受造的起源,承担了亚当体质的无罪,但没有承担其不朽坏。他也承担了可受苦性,即被动性,但没有承担后来引入人的本性中的出生之罪。所以对于受造的起源,他取了无罪。对于生物学上的出生,他取了人的被动性,但没有取罪。因为他生来无罪,《希伯来书》这样说了,还有许多其他来源也是如此。所以这是对不同时刻以及亚当和基督等人物的精妙结合。好的,现在。正如我刚才所说,马克西姆说,正是在亚当的可受苦性,即被动性中,邪恶的恶魔隐藏在偶然的人类本性法则下进行它们的活动。因此,这是合乎情理的,这可能更好地翻译为 由于肉体,这是可以预料的, 由于道取了人的肉体,恶魔在上帝救主身上看到了亚当可受苦本性的特征。他们认为他就像另一个亚当,并认为在这种偶然的状态下,他必然只是一个受自然法则支配的凡人,而不是由他意志的决定所驱动。 因此他们攻击他。恶魔看到基督在肉体中看起来像亚当,因此他们攻击他。他们袭击他,希望可以通过他自然的可受苦性甚至战胜他。在他的脑海中形成一个不自然情欲的图像,并像他们通常那样据此行动。 这就是我之前所说的关于客观事物和心相的事情。他们试图根据基督自然的人类被动性向他施压,以在他的脑海中产生一个充满情欲的念头。我不想抢在马克西姆本人的前面,因为随着我们的深入,他会对此进行解释。 但在他第一次经历快乐的诱惑时,这是指耶稣现在在旷野中受试探。在他第一次经历快乐的诱惑时,他让恶魔被自己的诡计所嘲弄,并通过将它们从人的本性中驱逐出去而剥夺了它们的力量。 同时,他仍然不可触及且超出他们的掌控,清楚地赢得了对他们的胜利,不是为了他自己,而是为了我们,因为他为了我们成为人,并在他的良善中将他成就的一切都赐给了我们。这句话太棒了。 因为他自己不需要被经验所试探,因为他是上帝和主宰,且本性上免于所有情欲。相反,通过我们的诱惑,邪恶的力量将他拉入了一场战斗。通过他自己的反击挫败了它,即挫败了那邪恶的力量,通过他自己的反击,并消灭了那原本期望挫败他的力量,就像它最初挫败亚当一样。这就是他在最初的受试探经历中,如何脱去攻击他的执政掌权者,将它们从人的本性中移除,治愈了快乐的情欲。我想这是因为魔鬼在说,他饿了,吃吧。他在旷野里饿了。好吧,你可以把这块石头变成面包来满足自然的情欲……如果你回想一下那些试探,全都在那里。 这就是他如何摆脱它们的, 将它们从人的本性中移除,治愈了快乐的情欲,并在他自己里面,取消了亚当自愿屈从于快乐情欲的羁绊。因为正是通过这个羁绊,又是那个羁绊,人的选择权倾向于邪恶的快乐,从而对自己不利。因为通过他的行为,他默认宣告了他的被辖制状况,由于对死亡的恐惧,这种状况阻止他将自己从对快乐的奴役中解放出来。 就我们这里的难度水平而言,够清楚了吧。 现在,基督通过这最初的快乐试探克服并击败了那些有权柄的、执政的和掌权的之后,他还有更多工作要做, 主允许他们对他发动第二次攻击,并将剩下的那一个试探摆在他面前。在那里,用“试炼”或“考验”可能比我这里的“试探”翻译得更好。剩下的一个考验,即痛苦和受苦的考验。他在旷野中处理了快乐的问题。现在要处理的是痛苦的问题,痛苦和受苦。他的目标是通过自己完全倾倒出他们邪恶的腐蚀性毒药,像火一样将其吞噬,并从人的本性中彻底抹去它。他通过在十字架上受死时彻底脱去执政的和掌权的来做到这一点,他不仅仅是对自己的苦难无动于衷,而是在死亡的心中注入恐惧,从而从我们的本性中提取出与痛苦相关的情欲。 因为由于人的懦弱,他意志的倾向从痛苦中退缩,他违背自己的意愿不断被对死亡的恐惧所暴虐统治,因此在他对生存的渴望中,他紧紧抓住自己的奴役不放。这是一种快乐。如果你回想一下我们读过的第一段文本,马克西姆认为人们做大多数事情都是出于对快乐的渴望,或者是出于避免痛苦的方式。而这种快乐与痛苦的辩证法是一个恶性循环,因为我们想要快乐,我们想要令人愉悦的事物,我们追求快乐,我们拥有快乐,然后快乐总是会导致某种痛苦。 我想吃很多食物,看起来真不错。丰盛的感恩节晚餐,我要大吃一顿,哦,那时多快乐啊。然后就是吃胃药的时间之类的。这是一种简单的说法。你们中那些熟悉安息礼仪和大马士革的约翰所写赞美诗的人,今生有什么快乐呢?Piatu viutrifi via meni lipis ametokos。今生有什么快乐或喜悦不以某种方式参与悲伤或痛苦呢?一切,一切,没有什么是长久的,没有,想想你们的经历和…… 甚至有句谚语说,小心你许的愿望,因为你可能会实现它等等。所以快乐和痛苦,这就是这里的辩证法。 快乐在旷野的试探中被击败、被克服,而对痛苦、死亡和受苦的恐惧则被基督自愿接受十字架和受苦所克服。而且情况还会更好。 我们讲到21.7了吗?所以,主在他第一次在旷野经历试探时脱去了执政的和掌权的,从而治愈了与快乐相关的整个人类本性的情欲。他在受死时再次剥夺了他们。同样,从我们的本性中移除了与痛苦相关的情欲,将这一成就视为他出于对人类的爱而应负的责任。换句话说,仿佛他对罪负有责任,他承担了我们的困境,仿佛这是他的责任,仿佛他对此负有责任,或者更确切地说,在他的良善中,他将他成就的荣耀归给了我们。既然他承担了我们本性中可受苦、被动的状况,像我们一样但没有罪, 每一种邪恶的力量和破坏性的力量正是借此实施了其特定的恶行,他在受死的那一刻剥夺了它们。这很有趣。也就是说,当他受死的那一刻,恶魔来检查他正离开身体的灵魂时,他在十字架上战胜了他们并使他们成为笑柄。因为邪恶的力量在他人类本性的自然可能性中根本找不到任何东西